Bug#418043: debian installer: problems with timezone, grub sata drive, noacpi bootparam, and encrypted partitions

2007-04-14 Thread Josh Buhl

  Comments/Problems:
  0. The zeroth problem was booting. Somewhere in the help where you find
  it right away it says to use noacpi if the system hangs. I tried that
  and it didn't work. In another spot more buried (I think in the special
  parameter section) it says use acpi=off. Well, only the acpi=off
  worked.
 
 That is basically a kernel problem and nothing we can solve in the 
 installer itself. 

if this is the case, then *both* options obviously need to be be on both help 
pages, not one on one page and the other on a completely different page. In 
particular, both options should be right on that first troubleshooting help 
page where it first talks about what to do if the system hangs on booting.




 
  4. The fourth and worst problem came when I tried to reboot my new
  system...didn't work at all, 
 

 The dialog actually says the MBR of the 
 _first_ harddisk.

as far as I'm concerned, my sata1 drive *is* the first harddisk! If you had a 
sata1 drive, a dvd-recorder on hda, and an old ide on hdb, what would you 
consider to be your first harddisk? Is a sata1 drive not a harddisk?

Most importantly, this behaviour isn't mentioned in the dialogue nor documented 
in the guide, so at the very least, this is an important piece of information 
to add to both.



 Closing your report as there were no real new issues. 

I  must say I feel put off by this. Most of the issues are minor (as I myself 
also stated), but the sata problem cost me a lot of time (as did the careful 
documentation and submission of my installation report) and I feel completely 
guiltless in this issue. It's not a faq, it's not in the guide, it's unexpected 
behaviour, and it cost me a couple hours. All you need is to do is add a 
comment to the grub dialogue screen and the guide to the effect that this might 
be a problem. How can you be so cavalier about closing this bug and stating no 
real issues? Most new computers have sata drives and many people installing 
new systems will be plugging in some old ide drive to transfer data from.  Are 
you prepared to potentially waste the hours of other people's lives by not 
addressing this real problem? 

I don't think the acpi thing should be so flippantly disregarded either. It's 
just too easy to add a comment on the right page to save users trouble, so why 
not do it?


cheerios,

-j
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Bug#418043: debian installer: problems with timezone, grub sata drive, noacpi bootparam, and encrypted partitions

2007-04-06 Thread Josh Buhl
Package: installation-reports

Boot method: CD (using image created on March 18, 2007)
Image version: 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso
Date: March 23, 2007

Machine: self built from parts
Processor: amd64 X2 3800+ EE (Energy Efficient)
Memory: 2 Gb
Partitions: 
sata1 disk (this is the first time I'm trying a system w/o separate /usr, /var, 
/tmp, etc.): 
/dev/sda1 ~ 12 Gb mounted on /windows
/dev/sda2 ~ 200 Gb mounted on /
/dev/sda5 ~ 12 Gb mounted on /home
/dev/sda6 ~ 12 Gb used as luks encrypted home dir mounted at login on /home/my 
username
/dev/sda7 ~ 12 Gb used as luks encrypted home dir mounted at login on /home/my 
wife's username
/dev/sda8 ~ 4 Gb encrypted swap (/dev/mapper/cswap)

1Gb tmpfs mounted on /tmp

hdb: (hda is dvd writer)
harddrive from old system with separate /, /home, /usr, /var, /var/tmp, etc. 
for data migration


Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:   [E]
Detect network card:[E]
Configure network:  [O]
Detect CD:  [E]
Load installer modules: [E]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [E]
Install base system:[O]
Clock/timezone setup:   [E]
User/password setup:[O]
Install tasks:  [O]
Install boot loader:[E]
Overall install:[E]

Comments/Problems:

0. The zeroth problem was booting. Somewhere in the help where you find it 
right away it says
 to use noacpi if the system hangs. I tried that and it didn't work. In another 
spot more buried 
(I think in the special parameter section) it says use acpi=off. Well, only the 
acpi=off worked.


1. The first problem to crop up was with the language and timezone. I live in 
Germany, but am a native 
english speaker and wish to install in English. As soon as you've selected the 
English language, you 
can only choose timezones from the USA and it's territories. Luckily I was 
still *allowed* to choose 
a german keyboard! Please try thinking less for the user and allow hir to 
choose whichever timezone s/he
desires...I'm sure most people know which timezone they live in!

2. The second problem wasn't too much of a problem, just irritating: when 
detecting disks, the cd, and 
the network card, it *kept* asking me whether I wanted to install the floppy 
module. I would deselect it and
and continue, and in the next step it would again ask me about the floppy 
module. Other than that, the 
detection of cd and network card worked ok.

3. The third problem was with partitioning the harddrive.  You can tell it that 
you want to use a partition
as an encrypted partition, but afterwards it doesn't do anything with it and 
you can't tell it where you want
it mounted. I don't see what this option really does, since you have to 
luksFormat it, etc. by hand afterwards
anyway. It would be nice if the installer would support encrypted partitions 
where you could select options and
a mount point and have the installer set everything up. Especially encrypted 
swap is easy, it just needs an entry
in /etc/crypttab and an appropriate entry in /etc/fstab, so encrypted swap 
should be an option too!

4. The fourth and worst problem came when I tried to reboot my new 
system...didn't work at all, 
no grub screen, nothin. Had no idea why.
Tried using the install cd as rescue cd, but it wasn't much of a rescue, it 
just wanted to re-install. 
I re-installed twice and fiddled with the bios. Luckily, at some point I 
accidentally booted with my sata1 
hd disconnected and it started grub (!) but couldn't find a bootable image. 
Then I understood: grub had been installing itself 
to /dev/hdb, even though I hadn't installed any of the system there (hdb was my 
old hd from my old system 
which I had attached to transfer data from). There was never any question in 
the install about where grub 
should install itself other than to the master boot record but didn't mention 
which drive, and it didn't 
occur to me that it would install itself preferentially to hdb instead of to 
sata1 when I wasn't installing the
system there and had configured no mount points from hdb! Big Bummer and big 
waste of time! The other errors
were no big deal, but this really caused me some grief!

-j


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Bug#418043: debian installer: problems with timezone, grub sata drive, noacpi bootparam, and encrypted partitions

2007-04-06 Thread Christian Perrier
 1. The first problem to crop up was with the language and timezone. I live in 
 Germany, but am a native 
 english speaker and wish to install in English. As soon as you've selected 
 the English language, you 
 can only choose timezones from the USA and it's territories. Luckily I was 
 still *allowed* to choose 
 a german keyboard! Please try thinking less for the user and allow hir to 
 choose whichever timezone s/he
 desires...I'm sure most people know which timezone they live in!

I suggest you look closer next timeor avoid hitting Enter too quickly.

A screen comes after the language selection that prompts you for a
Country, area or territory.

Even though USA is the default value, there are several choices there,
most of them being English-speaking countries, or countries for which
English is an official language (at least those for which a locale
exists).

The last entry of this list is Other which brings the entire world
countries list. From there, Germany was present last time I checked.

I assume that you did hit Enter too quickly on that second screen,
without reading itand therefore choosing USA as country.

Another option is that you installed at critical priority, which
lowers the number of screen to the very minimum. But that is a
specific request and not the default behaviour.


Please avoid suggesting that D-I developers are stupid enough for
thinking that one lives in USA when one speaks English.