Bug#462914: fixed in fluxbox 1.0.0+deb1-6
reopen 462914 clone 462914 -1 reassign -1 xfce4-session retitle -1 should use the x-window-manager alternative instead of running xfwm severity -1 wishlist retitle 462914 fluxbox is not a session manager, it shouldn't pretend otherwise kthxbye On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:33:37 +0300, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote: Unfortunately there is no other variant. When removing the link on session manager in fluxbox, then it is impossible to choose it as a default window manager if there's at least one session manager installed. Then there appears a paradoxical situation: less functional systems like KDE/xfce will prevent from using the most comfortable window manager - fluxbox. ;) No, that won't prevent you from doing that. Any session manager should allow you to choose which window manager you're running. If it doesn't then that's a bug in the session manager imo (and in any case, it's just a matter of replacing the default window manager with fluxbox in your session and saving it). Or if you don't want to use any session manager, then you're welcome to use ~/.xsession. And in any case working around that in fluxbox by pretending to be a session manager is actively harmful. Cheers, Julien signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#462914: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#462914: fixed in fluxbox 1.0.0+deb1-6
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 09:27:45AM +, Julien Cristau wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:33:37 +0300, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote: Unfortunately there is no other variant. When removing the link on session manager in fluxbox, then it is impossible to choose it as a default window manager if there's at least one session manager installed. Then there appears a paradoxical situation: less functional systems like KDE/xfce will prevent from using the most comfortable window manager - fluxbox. ;) No, that won't prevent you from doing that. Any session manager should allow you to choose which window manager you're running. If it doesn't then that's a bug in the session manager imo (and in any case, it's just a matter of replacing the default window manager with fluxbox in your session and saving it). Or if you don't want to use any session manager, then you're welcome to use ~/.xsession. And in any case working around that in fluxbox by pretending to be a session manager is actively harmful. Currently, xfce4-session behavior when there is no saved session (or when someone creates a new one) is to use the Failsafe Session, defined in xfce4-session.rc: # This the default session launched by xfce4-session if the # user hasn't saved any session yet or creates a new session. [Failsafe Session] Count=4 Client0_Command=xfwm4 Client0_PerScreen=False Client1_Command=xfce4-panel Client1_PerScreen=False Client2_Command=Thunar,--daemon Client2_PerScreen=False Client3_Command=xfdesktop Client3_PerScreen=False It's doable to use x-window-manager instead of xfwm4, but I'm not sure it's a good idea. Well, it can make sense, but what about Thunar and xfdesktop? Should they be run or not? If an administrator want to override this, he can edit /etc/xdg/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc. This is a conffile so it'll be preserved. So I'm not sure about the good default behavior. Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#462914: fixed in fluxbox 1.0.0+deb1-6
Unfortunately there is no other variant. When removing the link on session manager in fluxbox, then it is impossible to choose it as a default window manager if there's at least one session manager installed. Then there appears a paradoxical situation: less functional systems like KDE/xfce will prevent from using the most comfortable window manager - fluxbox. ;) JC No, that won't prevent you from doing that. Any session manager should JC allow you to choose which window manager you're running. If it doesn't JC then that's a bug in the session manager imo (and in any case, it's just JC a matter of replacing the default window manager with fluxbox in your JC session and saving it). Or if you don't want to use any session JC manager, then you're welcome to use ~/.xsession. And in any case JC working around that in fluxbox by pretending to be a session manager is JC actively harmful. Editting of users' init-scripts is not the way of choosing default window manager. It is the way of choosing window manager by one user. In case of an absent link on x-session-manager the access to installation of fluxbox (and many other managers) as a default window manager will be disabled. Because alternatives x-session-manager have a priority. So if on my computer 20 men use fluxbox and only one uses xfce (kde etc) then all the 20 men must use personal settings instead of general-system ones. It isn't correct. May be it will be fluxbox bug but I shall not remove this link so far. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#462914: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#469445: Bug#462914: fixed in fluxbox 1.0.0+deb1-6
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 11:15:41AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 09:27:45AM +, Julien Cristau wrote: On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:33:37 +0300, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote: Unfortunately there is no other variant. When removing the link on session manager in fluxbox, then it is impossible to choose it as a default window manager if there's at least one session manager installed. Then there appears a paradoxical situation: less functional systems like KDE/xfce will prevent from using the most comfortable window manager - fluxbox. ;) No, that won't prevent you from doing that. Any session manager should allow you to choose which window manager you're running. If it doesn't then that's a bug in the session manager imo (and in any case, it's just a matter of replacing the default window manager with fluxbox in your session and saving it). Or if you don't want to use any session manager, then you're welcome to use ~/.xsession. And in any case working around that in fluxbox by pretending to be a session manager is actively harmful. Currently, xfce4-session behavior when there is no saved session (or when someone creates a new one) is to use the Failsafe Session, defined in xfce4-session.rc: # This the default session launched by xfce4-session if the # user hasn't saved any session yet or creates a new session. [Failsafe Session] Count=4 Client0_Command=xfwm4 Client0_PerScreen=False Client1_Command=xfce4-panel Client1_PerScreen=False Client2_Command=Thunar,--daemon Client2_PerScreen=False Client3_Command=xfdesktop Client3_PerScreen=False It's doable to use x-window-manager instead of xfwm4, but I'm not sure it's a good idea. Well, it can make sense, but what about Thunar and xfdesktop? Should they be run or not? If an administrator want to override this, he can edit /etc/xdg/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc. This is a conffile so it'll be preserved. Clearly you don't want to do this. Some window managers, especially like fluxbox but others too, have also a panel. This means that you are going to have zillion of conflicts. The goal of the session manager is to save applications, restore them (even at specific locations) and _as a user_ you can customize your session. If you want fluxbox, just type: startx /usr/bin/startflubox, or create a startx-fluxbox alias for your users if they are lazy. If you have tons of users to manage, Dmitry, install a Display Manager, which lets your users start whatever they prefer, and it can even remember that for the future sessions. So I'm not sure about the good default behavior. Cheers, mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#462914: fixed in fluxbox 1.0.0+deb1-6
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 09:02:03 +, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote: fluxbox (1.0.0+deb1-6) unstable; urgency=low . * Added xsession-manager link to alternatives system, closes: #462914. If fluxbox doesn't actually provide a session manager, this change is wrong. Please revert. Thanks, Julien signature.asc Description: Digital signature
