Bug#477197: Dead ~
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008, Christian Perrier wrote: > Quoting Amaya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Well, I was told upstream wanted to conduct a poll in this bug number. > > Was this never the case? > Well, if that happened, nothing showed up in the bug report. I'm not > sure that such a poll is very representative, indeed. Still, everybody > made the very same point, actually..:-) Yesterday, after Amaya's message, I've forwarded the bug report. So you should find the link on the BTS. -- Mohammed Adnène Trojette
Bug#477197: Dead ~
Quoting Amaya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Christian Perrier wrote: > > ladies and gentlment, I think the maintainers of this package got the > > point. Spanish users don't like the behaviour change for AltGr+4, no > > need to make a metoo-contest) > > Well, I was told upstream wanted to conduct a poll in this bug number. > Was this never the case? Well, if that happened, nothing showed up in the bug report. I'm not sure that such a poll is very representative, indeed. Still, everybody made the very same point, actually..:-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#477197: Dead ~
Christian Perrier wrote: > ladies and gentlment, I think the maintainers of this package got the > point. Spanish users don't like the behaviour change for AltGr+4, no > need to make a metoo-contest) Well, I was told upstream wanted to conduct a poll in this bug number. Was this never the case? -- ·''`. Come, let me sing into your ear, those dancing days are gone : :' : I carry the sun in a golden cup, the moon in a silver bag `. `' `- Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux
Bug#477197: Dead ~
On Wednesday 23/04/2008 08:05, Christian Perrier said... > > I don't like the dead tilde either because it really is useless in > > spanish. [...] > Please don't change keyboard mappings randomly. There are standards > for many keymaps and these should be respected as much as possible > *and keep the established practices*. > > This is why I think the "dead_tilde" change should be reverted > even if it conforms to a standard (I didn't check but that's very > possible because of that being the behaviour in MS Windows). This is > *established practice*. AFAIK that's the behaviour in Windows, but as you say... > Also, please all think that Spanish keymaps are not only used for > Castellano, but also for Catalan, Galician, Basque [...] Catalan > uses grave accents, for instance. > > And, well, being able to type correct French with a Spanish keyboard > is not that stupid, right? :-) And many Galician users write Portuguese as well, and for us the dead tilde is completely essential :-) Those annoyed by AltGr+4 producing a dead tilde can use AltGr+ñ and AltGr+¡ anyway :) -- Alberto García González http://people.igalia.com/berto/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#477197: Dead ~
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (I dislike the current momentum of "me too" about this bug. I suspect > something popped into a -user mailing list of Spanish users but, hey > ladies and gentlment, I think the maintainers of this package got the > point. Spanish users don't like the behaviour change for AltGr+4, no > need to make a metoo-contest) "I'm using the debian bug tracker as voting system due to a suggestion of a Debian Developer and due to it's relevance in the Free Software ecosystem." > > > Dunno, maybe it would be possible to have two diferent key maps? > > One where only the ´ is dead while all others aren't and one that > conforms > > to what is "the norm" on other sytems? > > I sincerely hope that xkb maintainers will *never* make the mistake > that has been done with console keymaps where dozens of various funky > keymaps are floating all around, adding a lot to confusion. > > Sorry, I was talking more about the "layout variant", we can already choose between "basic", "sundeadkeys", "nodeadkeys" etc. So there could be two variants for the two different situations described in this bug report. Personally I would rather use the "nodeadkeys" if it wasn't for the fact that the ´ and ¨ are needed a lot in spanish. But I hate it that the ^ , ` and ~ are dead as well. On the other hand if somebody can tell me how to add/make one of those variants myself I'll just make my personalized variant ;)
Bug#477197: Dead ~
(CC'ed to -spanish mailing lists. Please DON'T CC the list in answers) (I dislike the current momentum of "me too" about this bug. I suspect something popped into a -user mailing list of Spanish users but, hey ladies and gentlment, I think the maintainers of this package got the point. Spanish users don't like the behaviour change for AltGr+4, no need to make a metoo-contest) Quoting Tako Schotanus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I don't like the dead tilde either because it really is useless in spanish. > But if we change it we should maybe think about the dead ^ as well? > Because it's just as useless, it's never used in spanish but quite a bit in > programming/regular expressions etc > And if we're busy anyway, why not change the dead back quote? (`) > Spanish does not use them either, only the forward quote. Don't. Please don't change keyboard mappings randomly. There are standards for many keymaps and these should be respected as much as possible *and keep the established practices*. This is why I think the "dead_tilde" change should be reverted even if it conforms to a standard (I didn't check but that's very possible because of that being the behaviour in MS Windows). This is *established practice*. But this is also why I think that *no other* behaviour should be changed! If the circumflex is a dead key on Spanish keymap, then leave it as it is. Also, please all think that Spanish keymaps are not only used for Castellano, but also for Catalan, Galician, Basque (limiting /self to languages for which an important l10n effort happens in FLOSS), so the needs for these languages should be also considered. Catalan uses grave accents, for instance. And, well, being able to type correct French with a Spanish keyboard is not that stupid, right? :-) > > Dunno, maybe it would be possible to have two diferent key maps? > One where only the ´ is dead while all others aren't and one that conforms > to what is "the norm" on other sytems? I sincerely hope that xkb maintainers will *never* make the mistake that has been done with console keymaps where dozens of various funky keymaps are floating all around, adding a lot to confusion. -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#477197: Dead ~
I don't like the dead tilde either because it really is useless in spanish. But if we change it we should maybe think about the dead ^ as well? Because it's just as useless, it's never used in spanish but quite a bit in programming/regular expressions etc And if we're busy anyway, why not change the dead back quote? (`) Spanish does not use them either, only the forward quote. Dunno, maybe it would be possible to have two diferent key maps? One where only the ´ is dead while all others aren't and one that conforms to what is "the norm" on other sytems?
Bug#477197: Dead ~
I remember that I felt quite disappointed when I realised that I needed to press space to get the ~, so I vote for reverting the change (altgr+4 should print a ~). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
