Bug#492124: apparently no way to disable blinking cursor

2008-07-23 Thread Frederik Eaton
Package: openoffice.org-base
Version: 1:2.4.0-6
Severity: normal

Many people are aggravated by having to look at a blinking cursor when
they are editing a document - one web page compares it to Chinese
water torture. I have disabled the blinking cursor in Gnome and
Firefox and in my terminal, but there appears to be no way to do it in
OpenOffice. If this is true, then until there is a way, the software
will be practically unusable to me and to a minority of others. This
is an accessibility issue, which should be pretty easy to fix.

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Bug#492124: apparently no way to disable blinking cursor

2008-07-23 Thread Rene Engelhard
reassign 492124 openoffice.org-core
severity 492124 wishlist
forwarded 492124 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=6071
thanks

Hi,

Frederik Eaton wrote:
 Package: openoffice.org-base

Read the package description of -base again and retihnk whether that was
the correct package ;-)

 Version: 1:2.4.0-6

Doesn't exist anymore.

 Severity: normal

No. It's a wish - wishlist.

 Many people are aggravated by having to look at a blinking cursor when
 they are editing a document - one web page compares it to Chinese
 water torture. I have disabled the blinking cursor in Gnome and

OMG. Torture is someting else.

 Firefox and in my terminal, but there appears to be no way to do it in
 OpenOffice. If this is true, then until there is a way, the software

OpenOffice.org.

 will be practically unusable to me and to a minority of others. This
 is an accessibility issue, which should be pretty easy to fix.

This is already told to the OOo authors in issue 6071 for 6 years now,
but as it's assigned to requirements it can only take a few years more
if at all until this is done.

Regards,

Rene



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Bug#492124: apparently no way to disable blinking cursor

2008-07-23 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi,

Rene Engelhard wrote:
  will be practically unusable to me and to a minority of others. This
  is an accessibility issue, which should be pretty easy to fix.
 
 This is already told to the OOo authors in issue 6071 for 6 years now,
 but as it's assigned to requirements it can only take a few years more
 if at all until this is done.

Hmm. Discussion with upstream says me that OOo should also honour the
settings you did in Gnome already. Did you install openoffice.org-gtk?
Without it you don't have GTkified UI and no GTK integration.

Regards,
 
Rene



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Bug#492124: apparently no way to disable blinking cursor

2008-07-23 Thread Frederik Eaton
  Severity: normal
 
 No. It's a wish - wishlist.

If the bug makes the program unusable to some group of people, then
perhaps it should be

4 important   a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a package, 
without
  rendering it completely unusable to everyone.

?

  Many people are aggravated by having to look at a blinking cursor when
  they are editing a document - one web page compares it to Chinese
  water torture. I have disabled the blinking cursor in Gnome and
 
 OMG. Torture is someting else.

The word torture, indeed, conjures up an image of something more
painful than annoying. That's why I prepended the words Chinese
water. According to Wikipedia, Chinese water torture was supposed to
drive its victim insane with the stress of water dripping on a part of
the forehead for a very long time. It doesn't sound OMG to me. For
some of those who suffer from autism or epilepsy or ADHD, and can't
just ignore the blinking, it must be an apt comparison. I am well
aware that most people aren't bothered by it.

   will be practically unusable to me and to a minority of others. This
   is an accessibility issue, which should be pretty easy to fix.
  
  This is already told to the OOo authors in issue 6071 for 6 years now,
  but as it's assigned to requirements it can only take a few years more
  if at all until this is done.
 
 Hmm. Discussion with upstream says me that OOo should also honour the
 settings you did in Gnome already. Did you install openoffice.org-gtk?
 Without it you don't have GTkified UI and no GTK integration.

Oh, thanks for letting me know. But ... I've tried installing
openoffice.org-gtk-gnome, openoffice.org-gnome, and
openoffice.org-gtk, and the problem persists. It doesn't look like
openoffice.org is using gtk yet though. The menubar is shaded and the
menus only have a black outline on the bottom and right sides. Do I
need to restart something?

Thank you,

Frederik



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Bug#492124: apparently no way to disable blinking cursor

2008-07-23 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi,

Frederik Eaton wrote:
 The word torture, indeed, conjures up an image of something more
 painful than annoying. That's why I prepended the words Chinese
 water. According to Wikipedia, Chinese water torture was supposed to
 drive its victim insane with the stress of water dripping on a part of
 the forehead for a very long time. It doesn't sound OMG to me. For

It is OMG. Because it IS torture. And comparing that with a blinking cursor
is insane.

 some of those who suffer from autism or epilepsy or ADHD, and can't
 just ignore the blinking, it must be an apt comparison. I am well
 aware that most people aren't bothered by it.

Indeed, but... The problem is that you can't expect any app handling
this itself. This would be insane.

  Hmm. Discussion with upstream says me that OOo should also honour the
  settings you did in Gnome already. Did you install openoffice.org-gtk?
  Without it you don't have GTkified UI and no GTK integration.
 
 Oh, thanks for letting me know. But ... I've tried installing
 openoffice.org-gtk-gnome, openoffice.org-gnome, and
 openoffice.org-gtk, and the problem persists. It doesn't look like
 openoffice.org is using gtk yet though. The menubar is shaded and the
 menus only have a black outline on the bottom and right sides. Do I
 need to restart something?

That makes me think that OOo didn't detect on startup that you are under
GNOME. You *are* under GNOME (or Xfce which somehow is detected as GNOME),
right? 

Otherwise, you can try export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome before starting
OOo. (or kde for KDE, where the same should work, according to
upstream)

Regards,

Rene



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Bug#492124: apparently no way to disable blinking cursor

2008-07-23 Thread Frederik Eaton
 Frederik Eaton wrote:
  The word torture, indeed, conjures up an image of something more
  painful than annoying. That's why I prepended the words Chinese
  water. According to Wikipedia, Chinese water torture was supposed to
  drive its victim insane with the stress of water dripping on a part of
  the forehead for a very long time. It doesn't sound OMG to me. For
 
 It is OMG. Because it IS torture. And comparing that with a blinking cursor
 is insane.

The comparison was between water dripping on forehead, and cursor
blinking in eyes, as I imagine you understood. If you want to suggest
a better way of phrasing it, feel free to do so, but I don't see what
the big deal is. I don't believe any reasonable reader thinks that the
source I am quoting is arguing that people are being forced to use
these applications as a form of punishment, which is how you seem to
be interpreting it. The comparison was to the sensation, not the
context in which the sensation is administered.

  some of those who suffer from autism or epilepsy or ADHD, and can't
  just ignore the blinking, it must be an apt comparison. I am well
  aware that most people aren't bothered by it.
 
 Indeed, but... The problem is that you can't expect any app handling
 this itself. This would be insane.
 
   Hmm. Discussion with upstream says me that OOo should also honour the
   settings you did in Gnome already. Did you install openoffice.org-gtk?
   Without it you don't have GTkified UI and no GTK integration.
  
  Oh, thanks for letting me know. But ... I've tried installing
  openoffice.org-gtk-gnome, openoffice.org-gnome, and
  openoffice.org-gtk, and the problem persists. It doesn't look like
  openoffice.org is using gtk yet though. The menubar is shaded and the
  menus only have a black outline on the bottom and right sides. Do I
  need to restart something?
 
 That makes me think that OOo didn't detect on startup that you are under
 GNOME. You *are* under GNOME (or Xfce which somehow is detected as GNOME),
 right? 

Nope, just gnome-settings-daemon so I can use gtk apps.

 Otherwise, you can try export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome before starting
 OOo. (or kde for KDE, where the same should work, according to
 upstream)

Thanks, that works!

Frederik



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