Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
reassign 512824 nautilus thanks Hi, Le samedi 07 mars 2009 à 19:46 +0100, Aljaž Prusnik a écrit : Since there's no activity here, I'd like to know, whether this problem could be related to this bug #305846 which I found in this thread: http://www.nabble.com/USB-mount-with-multiple-users-broken-(hal-and-consolekit)-td20684696.html It is not exactly the same issue, but the problem has more or less the same origins. I re-assign this bug to nautilus, as auto-mounting features have now been moved from g-v-m to nautilus. Is there a systematic solution planned for this and when? It's really annoying that I cannot use the OS I like very much normally as a family computer. As a workaround, you can prevent your video reader to auto-launch when a DVD is inserted (check in the Removable media properties if using GNOME = 2.22 or in the nautilus preferences if using GNOME = 2.24) Cheers, Julien -- Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org Rejoignez maintenant plus de 4 000 personnes, associations, entreprises et collectivités qui soutiennent notre action -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
Le samedi 07 mars 2009 à 19:46 +0100, Aljaž Prusnik a écrit : Since there's no activity here, I'd like to know, whether this problem could be related to this bug #305846 which I found in this thread: http://www.nabble.com/USB-mount-with-multiple-users-broken-(hal-and-consolekit)-td20684696.html Is there a systematic solution planned for this and when? It's really annoying that I cannot use the OS I like very much normally as a family computer. You'll be happy to know that this bug has been fixed upstream last week: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573577 The fix will hence be part of the next nautilus version (I will try and work on backporting the patch for the current experimental package) Cheers, Julien -- Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org Rejoignez maintenant plus de 4 000 personnes, associations, entreprises et collectivités qui soutiennent notre action -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
On ned, 2009-03-08 at 12:42 +0100, Julien Valroff wrote: You'll be happy to know that this bug has been fixed upstream last week: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573577 The fix will hence be part of the next nautilus version (I will try and work on backporting the patch for the current experimental package) Ok, I am happy though kind of skeptical at the moment. As I read the changelog it say it'll just inhibit the dialog. But does this also solve the ownership of the mounted device? As I have seen there are numerous occurrences where let's say a usb key/disk or cd/dvd is owned by other logged user and thus inhibits me from either ejecting the cd or unmount the device (erasing a dvd or cd is a typical example where I'm struggling). Unmount works only as root in these cases whilst CD/DVD gets ejected but informs me that I am not allowed to eject (unmount) it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
Le dimanche 08 mars 2009 à 14:01 +0100, Aljaž Prusnik a écrit : On ned, 2009-03-08 at 12:42 +0100, Julien Valroff wrote: You'll be happy to know that this bug has been fixed upstream last week: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573577 The fix will hence be part of the next nautilus version (I will try and work on backporting the patch for the current experimental package) Ok, I am happy though kind of skeptical at the moment. As I read the changelog it say it'll just inhibit the dialog. But does this also solve the ownership of the mounted device? As I have seen there are numerous occurrences where let's say a usb key/disk or cd/dvd is owned by other logged user and thus inhibits me from either ejecting the cd or unmount the device (erasing a dvd or cd is a typical example where I'm struggling). Unmount works only as root in these cases whilst CD/DVD gets ejected but informs me that I am not allowed to eject (unmount) it. With this change, the CD/DVD will always be mounted by the active user. Only the same user will be able to umount it later. This patch doesn’t ensure you are always able to umount the CD (you can’t if you switched users in the meantime), but it ensures you are always the one with the ownership if you are in the active session. Cheers, -- .''`. Debian 5.0 Lenny has been released! : :' : `. `' Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told `-me that if you don't install Lenny, he'd melt your brain. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
Le dimanche 08 mars 2009 à 14:01 +0100, Aljaž Prusnik a écrit : On ned, 2009-03-08 at 12:42 +0100, Julien Valroff wrote: You'll be happy to know that this bug has been fixed upstream last week: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573577 The fix will hence be part of the next nautilus version (I will try and work on backporting the patch for the current experimental package) Ok, I am happy though kind of skeptical at the moment. As I read the changelog it say it'll just inhibit the dialog. But does this also solve the ownership of the mounted device? As I have seen there are numerous occurrences where let's say a usb key/disk or cd/dvd is owned by other logged user and thus inhibits me from either ejecting the cd or unmount the device (erasing a dvd or cd is a typical example where I'm struggling). Unmount works only as root in these cases whilst CD/DVD gets ejected but informs me that I am not allowed to eject (unmount) it. Ownership of automounted devices is a different (though related) issue. I think the current behaviour is correct. I do not think letting the second logged in user unmounting the devices automounted in the first session would be great: imagine the first user was working on files from an USB stick, what would happen if the second user umounts this USB stick? Cheers, Julien -- Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org Rejoignez maintenant plus de 4 000 personnes, associations, entreprises et collectivités qui soutiennent notre action -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
On ned, 2009-03-08 at 14:42 +0100, Julien Valroff wrote: Ownership of automounted devices is a different (though related) issue. I think the current behaviour is correct. I do not think letting the second logged in user unmounting the devices automounted in the first session would be great: imagine the first user was working on files from an USB stick, what would happen if the second user umounts this USB stick? I agree with this scenario, but I usually get a weirder scenario: I have 3 users concurrently logged in. I usually log in the first. When I switch back to my session and insert a dvd/cd or a usb key/disk, the owner is usually not me but one of the other two users. That's what I find weird and probably not what was supposed to be. But that, as you said, is an issue of a different bug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
On ned, 2009-03-08 at 14:34 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: With this change, the CD/DVD will always be mounted by the active user. Only the same user will be able to umount it later. This patch doesn’t ensure you are always able to umount the CD (you can’t if you switched users in the meantime), but it ensures you are always the one with the ownership if you are in the active session. This sounds like a proper behaviour. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
Le dimanche 08 mars 2009 à 14:54 +0100, Aljaž Prusnik a écrit : On ned, 2009-03-08 at 14:42 +0100, Julien Valroff wrote: Ownership of automounted devices is a different (though related) issue. I think the current behaviour is correct. I do not think letting the second logged in user unmounting the devices automounted in the first session would be great: imagine the first user was working on files from an USB stick, what would happen if the second user umounts this USB stick? I agree with this scenario, but I usually get a weirder scenario: I have 3 users concurrently logged in. I usually log in the first. When I switch back to my session and insert a dvd/cd or a usb key/disk, the owner is usually not me but one of the other two users. That's what I find weird and probably not what was supposed to be. But that, as you said, is an issue of a different bug. I have not experienced this issue, at least with GNOME 2.24. This behaviour might be related to the fact that the removable media was mounted (and hence owned) by the 2nd or 3rd user. If so, then the fix should prevent this from happening as the removable media will only be mounted for the active session. Still one issue though, which should be reported as a separate bug: user 1 logs in user 1 inserts a removable media which is automounted user 2 logs in user 1 logs out user 2 is not able to unmount the removable media I think that when a user logs out, the ownership of the removable media should be passed to another logged in user (problem is to know which user should get this ownership!) Cheers, Julien -- Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org Rejoignez maintenant plus de 4 000 personnes, associations, entreprises et collectivités qui soutiennent notre action -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
On ned, 2009-03-08 at 15:27 +0100, Julien Valroff wrote: I agree with this scenario, but I usually get a weirder scenario: I have 3 users concurrently logged in. I usually log in the first. When I switch back to my session and insert a dvd/cd or a usb key/disk, the owner is usually not me but one of the other two users. That's what I find weird and probably not what was supposed to be. But that, as you said, is an issue of a different bug. I have not experienced this issue, at least with GNOME 2.24. Ok, I'm glad the next version sorts it out. Will wait a couple of months and then move to testing. This behaviour might be related to the fact that the removable media was mounted (and hence owned) by the 2nd or 3rd user. If so, then the fix should prevent this from happening as the removable media will only be mounted for the active session. But it isn't. It happens as I described it. I am the active user but the ownership of the media I inserted in my session was from one of the non-active users. Still one issue though, which should be reported as a separate bug: user 1 logs in user 1 inserts a removable media which is automounted user 2 logs in user 1 logs out user 2 is not able to unmount the removable media That one is also an issue. But with me I also get this one: if the owner logs out and I return to my session and then insert the media, the owner can again be the one who is not logged in anymore. I have pretty much experienced all these scenarios which made me think I was doing something wrong. But since Windows don't act this way it's probably not me but the OS - at least that was my perspective of thinking (regardless of the potential argument that Windows does this wrong). I think that when a user logs out, the ownership of the removable media should be passed to another logged in user (problem is to know which user should get this ownership!) Or the media should rather be auto-unmounted and left there un-owned until some other user chooses to mount it (via GUI not the commandline). If you take your variant then you'll have to make a criteria which of the let's say 5 still logged in user should get the ownership and what happens if the original owner returns and wants its media back. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
Le dimanche 08 mars 2009 à 17:11 +0100, Aljaž Prusnik a écrit : On ned, 2009-03-08 at 15:27 +0100, Julien Valroff wrote: I agree with this scenario, but I usually get a weirder scenario: I have 3 users concurrently logged in. I usually log in the first. When I switch back to my session and insert a dvd/cd or a usb key/disk, the owner is usually not me but one of the other two users. That's what I find weird and probably not what was supposed to be. But that, as you said, is an issue of a different bug. I have not experienced this issue, at least with GNOME 2.24. Ok, I'm glad the next version sorts it out. Will wait a couple of months and then move to testing. This behaviour might be related to the fact that the removable media was mounted (and hence owned) by the 2nd or 3rd user. If so, then the fix should prevent this from happening as the removable media will only be mounted for the active session. But it isn't. It happens as I described it. I am the active user but the ownership of the media I inserted in my session was from one of the non-active users. Yes, I understood it well, what I meant is that before the fix, it could be that the 2nd user mounted the removable media even though the session was not active (just a guess though) Still one issue though, which should be reported as a separate bug: user 1 logs in user 1 inserts a removable media which is automounted user 2 logs in user 1 logs out user 2 is not able to unmount the removable media That one is also an issue. But with me I also get this one: if the owner logs out and I return to my session and then insert the media, the owner can again be the one who is not logged in anymore. I have pretty much experienced all these scenarios which made me think I was doing something wrong. But since Windows don't act this way it's probably not me but the OS - at least that was my perspective of thinking (regardless of the potential argument that Windows does this wrong). Windows seems however to behave wrong in terms of removable media, as far as I have tested at work. Every user logged in as the control of the removable media, which can be problematic, as per my earlier example. I think that when a user logs out, the ownership of the removable media should be passed to another logged in user (problem is to know which user should get this ownership!) Or the media should rather be auto-unmounted and left there un-owned until some other user chooses to mount it (via GUI not the commandline). If you take your variant then you'll have to make a criteria which of the let's say 5 still logged in user should get the ownership and what happens if the original owner returns and wants its media back. :) No, it can't be unmounted: the second user, still logged in, could have files open on the removable media! Julien -- Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org Rejoignez maintenant plus de 4 000 personnes, associations, entreprises et collectivités qui soutiennent notre action -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
On ned, 2009-03-08 at 17:24 +0100, Julien Valroff wrote: Windows seems however to behave wrong in terms of removable media, as far as I have tested at work. Every user logged in as the control of the removable media, which can be problematic, as per my earlier example. I agree. But since Windows is around for such a long time and even though this might be wrong it still causes less problems than this implementation (let's say not a fact but an anecdotal fact ;) ). Or the media should rather be auto-unmounted and left there un-owned until some other user chooses to mount it (via GUI not the commandline). If you take your variant then you'll have to make a criteria which of the let's say 5 still logged in user should get the ownership and what happens if the original owner returns and wants its media back. :) No, it can't be unmounted: the second user, still logged in, could have files open on the removable media! Maybe the owner could get asked to whom he'd like to pass on the ownership within the log-out process? Anyways - this fix you mentioned - will it also get into stable? Regards, Aljaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
Le dimanche 08 mars 2009 à 18:11 +0100, Aljaž Prusnik a écrit : On ned, 2009-03-08 at 17:24 +0100, Julien Valroff wrote: Windows seems however to behave wrong in terms of removable media, as far as I have tested at work. Every user logged in as the control of the removable media, which can be problematic, as per my earlier example. I agree. But since Windows is around for such a long time and even though this might be wrong it still causes less problems than this implementation (let's say not a fact but an anecdotal fact ;) ). Not a reference for me anyway :) Or the media should rather be auto-unmounted and left there un-owned until some other user chooses to mount it (via GUI not the commandline). If you take your variant then you'll have to make a criteria which of the let's say 5 still logged in user should get the ownership and what happens if the original owner returns and wants its media back. :) No, it can't be unmounted: the second user, still logged in, could have files open on the removable media! Maybe the owner could get asked to whom he'd like to pass on the ownership within the log-out process? Why not. I will open a bug upstream to check what developers think this can be implemented. Anyways - this fix you mentioned - will it also get into stable? No, it won't go to lenny. I think Joss will apply it to experimental soon as it seems to be a long awaited fix. GNOME 2.24 is still essentially in experimental, but some packages have been uploaded to unstable in the last days. I guess you will find the fix in testing within a few weeks/months. Cheers, Julien -- Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org Rejoignez maintenant plus de 4 000 personnes, associations, entreprises et collectivités qui soutiennent notre action -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
On ned, 2009-03-08 at 18:15 +0100, Julien Valroff wrote: Maybe the owner could get asked to whom he'd like to pass on the ownership within the log-out process? Why not. I will open a bug upstream to check what developers think this can be implemented. Great. Let's see what they think of it. Anyways - this fix you mentioned - will it also get into stable? No, it won't go to lenny. I think Joss will apply it to experimental soon as it seems to be a long awaited fix. GNOME 2.24 is still essentially in experimental, but some packages have been uploaded to unstable in the last days. I guess you will find the fix in testing within a few weeks/months. Thank you and keep up the good work! Regards, Aljaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#512824: Related to bug #305846?
Since there's no activity here, I'd like to know, whether this problem could be related to this bug #305846 which I found in this thread: http://www.nabble.com/USB-mount-with-multiple-users-broken-(hal-and-consolekit)-td20684696.html Is there a systematic solution planned for this and when? It's really annoying that I cannot use the OS I like very much normally as a family computer. Regards, Aljaz Prusnik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
