Bug#513382: bug against mysql package for a non-autostarting mysqld

2009-10-17 Thread Jon Dowland
It has been stated several times in this bug that the mysql
maintainers have been approached about providing a package
containing mysqld that does not auto-start a global mysqld
instance.

However I can find no such bug in the BTS filed against
src:mysql-dfsg-5.1, archived or otherwise.

If such a big exists then this one should be set to be
blocked by the other; otherwise, such a bug should have
been filed ages ago.


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Bug#513382: bug against mysql package for a non-autostarting mysqld

2009-10-17 Thread Sune Vuorela
On Saturday 17 October 2009 14:16:21 Jon Dowland wrote:
 It has been stated several times in this bug that the mysql
 maintainers have been approached about providing a package
 containing mysqld that does not auto-start a global mysqld
 instance.

Yup. I have discussed it quite some time ago with Norbert (nobse) and he said 
that he welcomed patches but didn't have time to do it himself. I 
unfortunately haven't had time either.

Ubuntu has done the split, so if someone is having time on their hands, trying 
to figure out if it is usable for debian and how it is usable would be a good 
thing.

It is somewhere on my todolist, but it is unfortunately neverending.
 
 However I can find no such bug in the BTS filed against
 src:mysql-dfsg-5.1, archived or otherwise.
 
 If such a big exists then this one should be set to be
 blocked by the other; otherwise, such a bug should have
 been filed ages ago.

A bug exists. I currently can't find it, but I know it does. Note that mysql 
have switched source package names a couple of times.

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Bug#513382: bug against mysql package for a non-autostarting mysqld

2009-10-17 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello,

On šeštadienis 17 Spalis 2009 18:03:09 Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
 Jon Dowland wrote:
  It has been stated several times in this bug that the mysql
  maintainers have been approached about providing a package
  containing mysqld that does not auto-start a global mysqld
  instance.
 
 Won't just disabling mysql init script suffice ?
 Why roll out a full blown package for that ?

You gotta be kidding, aren't you? Why would all Debian KDE users care how to 
disable a mysql init script (which there is no decent user-friendly way 
anyway) which they do not care about and which is supposed to be handled 
transparently. Not an option.

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Bug#513382: bug against mysql package for a non-autostarting mysqld

2009-10-17 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Saturday 17 Oct 2009 21:23:05 Modestas Vainius wrote:
 Hello,
 
 On šeštadienis 17 Spalis 2009 18:03:09 Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
  Jon Dowland wrote:
   It has been stated several times in this bug that the mysql
   maintainers have been approached about providing a package
   containing mysqld that does not auto-start a global mysqld
   instance.
 
  Won't just disabling mysql init script suffice ?
  Why roll out a full blown package for that ?
 
 You gotta be kidding, aren't you? Why would all Debian KDE users care how
  to disable a mysql init script (which there is no decent user-friendly way
  anyway) which they do not care about and which is supposed to be handled
  transparently. Not an option.
 

No really. Shipping the same binary twice is not the best thing to do either.
I agree that not every one would know how to disable an init script.

How about leaving the mysqld binary package as it is. Just provide a basic 
mysql-akonadi package that creates a /etc/default/mysql-akonadi file with 
mysqld system instance set to off.
(The msyqld package could just be changed to check for this file and source it, 
if available).

akonadi can then depend on just mysql-akonadi.

And if there are users (like me) who don't want to have one mysql for akonadi 
and another one for amarok, can still go ahead and set mysql system instance 
to 'on' in /etc/default/mysql-akonadi.

Should cover all and still not require to ship the mysqld.

Ritesh
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Bug#513382: bug against mysql package for a non-autostarting mysqld

2009-10-17 Thread Modestas Vainius
Sveiki,

On šeštadienis 17 Spalis 2009 19:10:45 Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
  You gotta be kidding, aren't you? Why would all Debian KDE users care how
   to disable a mysql init script (which there is no decent user-friendly
  way anyway) which they do not care about and which is supposed to be
  handled transparently. Not an option.
 
 No really. Shipping the same binary twice is not the best thing to do
  either. I agree that not every one would know how to disable an init
  script.

Ubuntu solution:

mysql-server-core-5.1 ships mysqld, no init stuff.
mysql-server-5.1 ships init stuff.

 How about leaving the mysqld binary package as it is. Just provide a basic
 mysql-akonadi package that creates a /etc/default/mysql-akonadi file with
 mysqld system instance set to off.
 (The msyqld package could just be changed to check for this file and source
  it, if available).
 
 akonadi can then depend on just mysql-akonadi.
 
 And if there are users (like me) who don't want to have one mysql for
  akonadi and another one for amarok, can still go ahead and set mysql
  system instance to 'on' in /etc/default/mysql-akonadi.
 
 Should cover all and still not require to ship the mysqld.

Way too overcomplicated solution for a rather simple problem.


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