Bug#532810: update needed on /ports/m68k webpage
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 05:17:45PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Francesca Ciceri dixit: > > >I've dropped the 'current issues' part and not mentioned the > >not-yet-created wiki.d.o/M68k/Status page: we could add this info when the > >page will be created. > > I’ve created it now and filled it with content; one of the issues has > already been fixed by Andreas Schwab (thanks again), and we have some > lead on the other. > > https://wiki.debian.org/M68k/Status Done! :) Thank you, Francesca signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#532810: update needed on /ports/m68k webpage
Francesca Ciceri dixit: >I've dropped the 'current issues' part and not mentioned the >not-yet-created wiki.d.o/M68k/Status page: we could add this info when the >page will be created. I’ve created it now and filled it with content; one of the issues has already been fixed by Andreas Schwab (thanks again), and we have some lead on the other. https://wiki.debian.org/M68k/Status bye, //mirabilos -- 22:20⎜ The crazy that persists in his craziness becomes a master 22:21⎜ And the distance between the craziness and geniality is only measured by the success 22:21⎜ it’s a very thin line anyway… with some, you don’t know which side they’re on -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#532810: update needed on /ports/m68k webpage
Francesca Ciceri dixit: >@@ -5,7 +5,9 @@ > > The Motorola 680x0 series of processors have powered personal > computers and workstations since the mid-1980s. Debian currently runs >-on the 68020, 68030, 68040 and 68060 processors. >+on the 68020, 68030, 68040 and 68060 processors: this is an unofficial port >+meaning that there's not an official and released m68k port but this port is >+under development. > > Please note that a > http://foldoc.org/foldoc.cgi?query=memory+management+unit";> I’d add “… and released m68k port _any more_” here, since it used to be and people hope it will eventually become one. >@@ -20,10 +22,31 @@ > Status > > The Debian m68k port was first officially released with Debian 2.0 >-(hamm). >+(hamm) and was an official port until Debian 4.0 (etch). There's now an effort >+to revive this port. > >-Current Debian releases support Atari, Amiga, VMEbus, and some Macintosh >-systems. >+Currently, the Debian/m68k port supports Atari, Amiga, VMEbus, and some >+Macintosh systems. lgtm >+For now, the m68k team is facing two pressing issues +href="http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2010/11/msg00077.html";>res_init() >+segfaults and +href="http://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2010/12/msg0.html";>gcj, possibly >+boehm-gc, fails out in sem_wait, but Working on it, new eglibc is compiling, thanks _again_ to Andreas Schwab. Maybe it helps, maybe it isn’t. I think we shouldn’t hardcode such things on the main website but refer to something like the as-of-yet not created https://wiki.debian.org/M68k/Status instead. >+ >+Thorsten Glaser has created +href="http://people.debian.org/~tg";>a tarball of a freshly made http://people.debian.org/~tg/f/m68k/ I had that linked from https://wiki.debian.org/M68k/Cowbuilder which you mentioned, but maybe not visibly enough. (I’m not really good at structuring documentation, admittedly.) >+/var/cache/pbuilder/base.cow (which can also be used as a chroot >+of Debian unstable on any Linux/m68k machine, or as starting point for that) … machine with a TLS capable kernel, … >+and he plan to upgrade it quite regularly. At least for some time. I don’t promise I stick with m68k for long, but it peeked my interest, and I’m learning a lot. Rest looks good too. Thanks, //mirabilos -- “Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.” -- Edward Burr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#532810: update needed on /ports/m68k webpage
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 04:22:35PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Francesca Ciceri dixit: > > > Debian currently runs on the 68020, 68030, 68040 and 68060 processors. > > > Current Debian releases support Atari, Amiga, VMEbus, and some > > Macintosh systems. > > I’d keep the “Debian currently runs” but state that this is not in a > released version and hasn’t been for a while, but that people are > working on it and help be welcome. Then, replace “Current Debian > releases support” with “Currently, the Debian/m68k port supports”. Thank you for your reply - super-fast!-. Here's my patch. The only problem is that I've not found the tarball of the VM on your people.d.o home: so, if you have not put it yet into your home I'll drop the link and related sentence from the page. Thank you, Francesca Index: index.wml === RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/ports/m68k/index.wml,v retrieving revision 1.26 diff -u -u -r1.26 index.wml --- index.wml 11 Oct 2008 12:45:07 - 1.26 +++ index.wml 3 Jan 2011 15:49:22 - @@ -5,7 +5,9 @@ The Motorola 680x0 series of processors have powered personal computers and workstations since the mid-1980s. Debian currently runs -on the 68020, 68030, 68040 and 68060 processors. +on the 68020, 68030, 68040 and 68060 processors: this is an unofficial port +meaning that there's not an official and released m68k port but this port is +under development. Please note that a http://foldoc.org/foldoc.cgi?query=memory+management+unit";> @@ -20,10 +22,31 @@ Status The Debian m68k port was first officially released with Debian 2.0 -(hamm). +(hamm) and was an official port until Debian 4.0 (etch). There's now an effort +to revive this port. -Current Debian releases support Atari, Amiga, VMEbus, and some Macintosh -systems. +Currently, the Debian/m68k port supports Atari, Amiga, VMEbus, and some +Macintosh systems. + +For now, the m68k team is facing two pressing issues http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2010/11/msg00077.html";>res_init() +segfaults and http://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2010/12/msg0.html";>gcj, possibly +boehm-gc, fails out in sem_wait, but +most packages can be compiled again using cowbuilder (see https://wiki.debian.org/M68k/Cowbuilder";>the related wiki page). + + + +Thorsten Glaser has created http://people.debian.org/~tg";>a tarball of a freshly made +/var/cache/pbuilder/base.cow (which can also be used as a chroot +of Debian unstable on any Linux/m68k machine, or as starting point for that) +and he plan to upgrade it quite regularly. +The current VM image is based on a much older unstable but works just fine +as starting point and is documented on https://wiki.debian.org/Aranym/Quick";>the wiki page about Aranym. + Help is always needed and welcome! In particular, kernels and boot images supporting other ports of http://www.linux-m68k.org/";>\ @@ -35,6 +58,7 @@ The Debian-installer port to the m68k architecture. + The http://unstable.buildd.net/index-m68k.html";>Debian/68k autobuild system contains up to date information about the porting effort. In case of questions and/or problems related to the autobuild system @@ -92,6 +116,15 @@ Together with Stephen Marenka, ported debian-installer (the installation system for Debian 3.1 and above) to the m68k architecture. +Thorsten Glaser + +Collected patches from Debian/m68k maintainers, Linux m68k developers, and +other people; brought Debian/m68k through the transition from linuxthreads to +NPTL with TLS by integrating those into the Debian packages and being the +human equivalent of a buildd for long enough to bootstrap Sid again. +Finn Thain, Andreas Schwab and Geert Uytterhoeven provided valuable input to +this, besides those already mentioned above. + signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#532810: update needed on /ports/m68k webpage
Francesca Ciceri dixit: > Debian currently runs on the 68020, 68030, 68040 and 68060 processors. > Current Debian releases support Atari, Amiga, VMEbus, and some > Macintosh systems. I’d keep the “Debian currently runs” but state that this is not in a released version and hasn’t been for a while, but that people are working on it and help be welcome. Then, replace “Current Debian releases support” with “Currently, the Debian/m68k port supports”. I’ll leave the text supplication to others, however this one would be nice to have ;-) Index: index.wml === RCS file: /cvsroot/webwml/webwml/english/ports/m68k/index.wml,v retrieving revision 1.26 diff -u -p -r1.26 index.wml --- index.wml 11 Oct 2008 12:45:07 - 1.26 +++ index.wml 29 Dec 2010 16:21:15 - @@ -92,6 +92,15 @@ system for Debian 3.1 and above) to the Together with Stephen Marenka, ported debian-installer (the installation system for Debian 3.1 and above) to the m68k architecture. +Thorsten Glaser + +Collected patches from Debian/m68k maintainers, Linux/m68k developers, and +other people; brought Debian/m68k through the transition from linuxthreads +to NPTL with TLS by integrating those into the Debian packages and being +the human equivalent of a buildd for long enough to bootstrap sid again. +Finn Thain, Andreas Schwab and Geert Uytterhoeven provided valuable input +to this, besides those already mentioned above. + >w.r.t. the recent effort to revive the port and the progress about it). I’ve put up, on my people.d.o home directory, a tarball of a freshly made /var/cache/pbuilder/base.cow (which can also be used as a chroot of Debian unstable on any Linux/m68k machine, or rather as starting point for that) and plan to upgrade it every once in a while, for some time. I also intend to prepare an upgraded VM image and upload that. The current VM image is based on a much older unstable but works just fine as starting point (given a new kernel and the chroot), and is documented on: https://wiki.debian.org/Aranym/Quick (thanks, Stephen). I wrote about cowbuilder and the chroot on the Debian Wiki, too: https://wiki.debian.org/M68k/Cowbuilder (contains a download link) We currently have two pressing issues (res_init() segfaults, and gcj, possibly boehm-gc, fails out in sem_wait) but most packages can be compiled again (with cowbuilder; since buildd needs eMail and sendmail calls res_init, I haven’t made any further progress in setting up a buildd, but others here run one and can probably just throw away their current sid chroot, extract mine, put up a TLS capable kernel, and be done, as long as the unreleased repo is (currently) included in the in-chroot sources.list). I fudged some build-deps (mostly X stuff) to compile packages since I’ll *not* recompile x.org by hand; manual de- pendency resolution is… quite an intense job. The two issues were written about in: ‣ http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2010/11/msg00077.html ‣ http://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2010/12/msg0.html bye, //mirabilos -- 15:39⎜«mika:#grml» mira|AO: "mit XFree86® wär’ das nicht passiert" - muhaha 15:48⎜ also warum machen die xorg Jungs eigentlich alles kaputt? :)15:49⎜ thkoehler: weil sie als Kinder nie den gebauten Turm selber umschmeissen durften? -- ~/.Xmodmap wonders… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#532810: update needed on /ports/m68k webpage
Francesca Ciceri dixit: >w.r.t. the recent effort to revive the port and the progress about it). I’ll write on that later. Just FYI that I saw it and will RSVP. bye, //mirabilos -- you introduced a merge commit│ % g rebase -i HEAD^^ sorry, no idea and rebasing just fscked │ Segmentation should have cloned into a clean repo │ fault (core dumped) if I rebase that now, it's really ugh │ wuahh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#532810: update needed on /ports/m68k webpage
Hi all, I'm a member of Debian www team. I'm sending this mail cause it was reported (see bug #532810) that www.d.o/ports/m68k page fails to mention current unsupported status of m68k, suggesting the opposite in this two sentences: Debian currently runs on the 68020, 68030, 68040 and 68060 processors. [...] Current Debian releases support Atari, Amiga, VMEbus, and some Macintosh systems. My intent is to close this bug whithin a week, mentioning that m68k is no longer an official port since Etch: so, please let me know if you want to update directly that page or if you can/want provide me a text to put in (also w.r.t. the recent effort to revive the port and the progress about it). TIA, Francesca signature.asc Description: Digital signature
