Bug#582358: [Evolution] Bug#582358: Refuses to connect when network-manager installed
On jeu., 2010-05-20 at 09:27 +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > Having to fight the system to tell it that the network is in fact > available feels like the worst days of Windows usage for me. Can we stop > going that "user-friendly" route? Like it or not, people do want that. And, as you noticed, you're not forced to use network-manager (as a matter of fact, I don't, which is why I didn't really detected the network-manager support was disabled in 2.28). > > I am not directly opposed to using network-manager as indication that > the system is offline. However, it should be easy to find out (using a > tooltip on the grayed menu entry, anything that pops up automatically). > I consider refusing to work without any indication as quite childish. If it's just an indication, it's useless. As I see it, the goal is to prevent unneeded, time/power/cpu/network consuming connection, when you know there's no chance they'll survive. If you don't like being patronized (which I can get), yes, you should get rid of network-manager. Now, maybe an indication in the menu saying why evolution is offline might be helpful (though “offline because offline” might not exactly be helpful, and afaiui the system offline state could be set by something else than network-manager). Please report upstream issues like this directly on upstream bugzilla, I don't have time to handle all bug reports on evolution stack, sorry. Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#582358: Refuses to connect when network-manager installed
Package: evolution Version: 2.30.1.2-2 Severity: normal Tags: sid Hi Evolution packagers. After upgrading my system yesterday, I was unable to read email using evolution today. Everything related to working online (including the "Work offline" menu item) was grayed out. What's worse, there is no feedback from evolution as to why it would not allow me to get my new email. After fighting pidgin on a netbook for hours I guessed the problem is the same thing: Without asking the user or leaving any loophole, the "$&%!"$ software relies on the indication of network-manager if the system is online. However, I did not willingly install network manager on this system. I wanted to try the current KDE and installing kde pulled network manager in. Given that I don't want a complex software managing my GBit local ethernet adapter (ifup works fine, while network-manager has failed me many times), I went ahead and removed network-manager and anything related from my system. After restarting evolution, I can now use it again. Having to fight the system to tell it that the network is in fact available feels like the worst days of Windows usage for me. Can we stop going that "user-friendly" route? I am not directly opposed to using network-manager as indication that the system is offline. However, it should be easy to find out (using a tooltip on the grayed menu entry, anything that pops up automatically). I consider refusing to work without any indication as quite childish. As you can see from the length of the email, this tripped a nerve for me. I hope you can understand my point and coordinate with upstream to improve the situation. Thanks for your work! Torsten -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages evolution depends on: ii dbus1.2.24-1 simple interprocess messaging syst ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.32 Debian configuration management sy ii evolution-common2.30.1.2-2 architecture independent files for ii evolution-data-server 2.30.1-4 evolution database backend server ii gconf2 2.28.1-3 GNOME configuration database syste ii gnome-icon-theme2.30.2.1-1 GNOME Desktop icon theme ii libart-2.0-22.3.21-1 Library of functions for 2D graphi ii libatk1.0-0 1.30.0-1 The ATK accessibility toolkit ii libc6 2.10.2-8 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared lib ii libcairo2 1.8.10-4 The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra ii libcamel1.2-14 2.30.1-4 The Evolution MIME message handlin ii libcanberra-gtk00.24-1 Gtk+ helper for playing widget eve ii libcanberra00.24-1 a simple abstract interface for pl ii libdbus-1-3 1.2.24-1 simple interprocess messaging syst ii libdbus-glib-1-20.86-1 simple interprocess messaging syst ii libebackend1.2-02.30.1-4 Utility library for evolution data ii libebook1.2-9 2.30.1-4 Client library for evolution addre ii libecal1.2-72.30.1-4 Client library for evolution calen ii libedataserver1.2-112.30.1-4 Utility library for evolution data ii libedataserverui1.2-8 2.30.1-4 GUI utility library for evolution ii libegroupwise1.2-13 2.30.1-4 Client library for accessing group ii libenchant1c2a 1.4.2-3.6a wrapper library for various spel ii libevolution2.30.1.2-2 evolution libraries ii libfontconfig1 2.8.0-2.1generic font configuration library ii libfreetype62.3.11-1 FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib ii libgconf2-4 2.28.1-3 GNOME configuration database syste ii libgdata-google1.2-12.30.1-4 Client library for accessing Googl ii libgdata1.2-1 2.30.1-4 Client library for accessing Googl ii libglib2.0-02.24.1-1 The GLib library of C routines ii libgnome-desktop-2-17 2.30.0-2 Utility library for loading .deskt ii libgnomecanvas2-0 2.30.1-1 A powerful object-oriented display ii libgtk2.0-0 2.20.1-1 The GTK+ graphical user interface ii libgtkhtml-editor0 3.30.1-2 HTML rendering/editing library - e ii libgtkhtml3.14-19 3.30.1-2 HTML rendering/editing library - r ii libgweather12.30.0-2 GWeather shared library ii libical00.44-3 iCalendar library implementation i ii libice6 2:1.0.6-1X11 Inter-Client Exchange library ii libnotify1 [libnotify1- 0.4
