Bug#593448: scalable-cyrfonts and font naming
On Tue, 8 May 2012 09:41:13 +0900 Norbert Preining wrote: [...] On Mo, 07 Mai 2012, Francesco Poli wrote: I am aware of this and I am sorry, if my question caused any confusion about that. The question about what is the future of scalable-cyrfonts-tex is Debian related, that is fine. Exactly, that was the intended sense of my question. But asking about which cyrillic fonts can be used etc etc is not our part, that is normal TeX support, and a simple google operation should reveal enough information on that topic, this is the way I did it before answering your email. I *did* search the web with a search engine, before asking. Clearly (and unsurprisingly, since you are surely more expert than me about LaTeX), your search was more successful than mine! ;-) Not here ... please install cm-super and you will have bit maps. Thanks a lot for your kind suggestion: I will test this solution soon. I've just tried out the cm-super package, and it really seems to be the right choice: recompiling my test file with pdflatex (after purging scalable-cyrfonts-tex, upgrading texlive-* packages, and installing cm-super) produced a PDF file with beautiful vector (Type 1) fonts! Thank you very much for your kind help! I cannot stress enough how it is appreciated! Bye. -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgp5QrMCl8RMu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#593448: scalable-cyrfonts and font naming
On Mon, 7 May 2012 11:53:01 +0900 Norbert Preining wrote: [...] Hi Francesco, Hi Norbert, *this*is*not*a* LaTeX Help Desk * * * I am aware of this and I am sorry, if my question caused any confusion about that. I thought I could ask, since I felt that my doubt was *not* about LaTeX itself, but rather on which *Debian* package could provide a certain functionality, in place of the *Debian* package scalable-cyrfonts-tex (which I will have to remove). I apologize, if this wasn't clear enough. [...] On So, 06 Mai 2012, Francesco Poli wrote: Now I am trying to figure out how I can obtain Cyrillic text with vector (Type 1) fonts, when using utf8x inputenc (without using scalable-cyrfonts-tex). The attached test file produces a PDF file with Type 3 bitmap fonts, when compiled with pdflatex... Not here ... please install cm-super and you will have bit maps. Thanks a lot for your kind suggestion: I will test this solution soon. Sorry again, if my question was inappropriate for the bug log. Bye. -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgpkGNX6TW3Qv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#593448: scalable-cyrfonts and font naming
HI Francesco,
On Mo, 07 Mai 2012, Francesco Poli wrote:
I am aware of this and I am sorry, if my question caused any confusion
about that.
The question about what is the future of scalable-cyrfonts-tex is Debian
related, that is fine.
But asking about which cyrillic fonts can be used etc etc is not
our part, that is normal TeX support, and a simple google operation
should reveal enough information on that topic, this is the way
I did it before answering your email.
Not here ... please install cm-super and you will have bit maps.
Thanks a lot for your kind suggestion: I will test this solution soon.
Other options as mentioned by Karl are GNU freefont wiht lualatex,
or other OpenType fonts. And I remind you of the
cyrguide.pdf
which mentiones some other fonts, AFAIR.
Best wishes
Norbert
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Bug#593448: scalable-cyrfonts and font naming
On Sat, 5 May 2012 21:24:57 GMT Karl Berry wrote:
[...]
Is there any alternative TeX font package with good Cyrillic coverage?
There have been Cyrillic fonts in TeX for decades. wncy* (Washington
Cyrillic) was one of the first (http://ctan.org/pkg/wncyr). The LH
fonts by Olga Lapko are extensive (http://ctan.org/pkg/lh). Some of the
newer OpenType/Unicode fonts have Cyrillic, e.g., GNU freefont. There
are others. Whether any of them have good coverage or suit what you
want to do, I cannot say.
I don't know if there are Cyrillic-specific TeX mailing lists; if not, I
would guess that posting on tex...@tug.org would be the best place to
have the discussion.
Hello Karl,
thanks a lot for your prompt and helpful reply.
Now I am trying to figure out how I can obtain Cyrillic text with
vector (Type 1) fonts, when using utf8x inputenc (without using
scalable-cyrfonts-tex). The attached test file produces a PDF file
with Type 3 bitmap fonts, when compiled with pdflatex...
Any hint would be appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
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Bug#593448: scalable-cyrfonts and font naming
severity 593448 minor
thanks
Hi Francesco,
*this*is*not*a* LaTeX Help Desk * * *
Thanks.
Please consult your local user group of comp.text.tex for help.
On So, 06 Mai 2012, Francesco Poli wrote:
Now I am trying to figure out how I can obtain Cyrillic text with
vector (Type 1) fonts, when using utf8x inputenc (without using
scalable-cyrfonts-tex). The attached test file produces a PDF file
with Type 3 bitmap fonts, when compiled with pdflatex...
Not here ... please install cm-super and you will have bit maps.
Best wishes
Norbert
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Bug#593448: scalable-cyrfonts and font naming
severity 593448 important thanks On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:48:06 +0900 Norbert Preining wrote: Hi Karl, hi Anton, Hi everyone. I am a Debian user (and contributor, but not in the area of TeX or of fonts...). It seems to me that the new texlive-* package versions have just migrated into testing, and I cannot upgrade my Debian testing boxes to them, since I have both scalable-cyrfonts-tex and texlive-fonts-extra installed... I think this bug is at least of severity important, since it means that one has to do without texlive-fonts-extra, if he/she needs scalable-cyrfonts-tex! [...] On Sa, 17 Mär 2012, Karl Berry wrote: [...] I see no magic bullet here. We can't create a conflict. So either the fpl and fnc authors change their names, the cyrfonts authors change their names, or we omit at least those two cyrfonts from TL. Right? These cyrfonts are *NOT* in TeX Live at all, neither in upstream nor in Debian TeX Live. It is a separate package in Debian. I have no way of knowing how widely used the TeX fpl and fnc are, but I expect they have been used in *some* documents. Therefore I would feel bad about renaming them. Since they have been in TL for some years, I feel they should have priority on the names ... I agree that since the other fpl/fnc fonts are in TL since long time, we will not change there names. So we simply leave this bug open, and I will probably add a conflict against scalable-cyrfonts-tex as it breaks behaviour of the tex system. Isn't there any way to actually fix this bug and allow the coexistence of scalable-cyrfonts-tex and texlive-fonts-extra? Should I really remove one of these two packages, in order to be able to upgrade my systems? This would be very unfortunate... Is there any alternative TeX font package with good Cyrillic coverage? Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks for your time. -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgp61QJbNcmbZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#593448: scalable-cyrfonts and font naming
Isn't there any way to actually fix this bug and allow the coexistence of scalable-cyrfonts-tex and texlive-fonts-extra? The cyrfonts filenames would have to be changed. Whether doing that would be worse than the current conflict is not my call. Is there any alternative TeX font package with good Cyrillic coverage? There have been Cyrillic fonts in TeX for decades. wncy* (Washington Cyrillic) was one of the first (http://ctan.org/pkg/wncyr). The LH fonts by Olga Lapko are extensive (http://ctan.org/pkg/lh). Some of the newer OpenType/Unicode fonts have Cyrillic, e.g., GNU freefont. There are others. Whether any of them have good coverage or suit what you want to do, I cannot say. I don't know if there are Cyrillic-specific TeX mailing lists; if not, I would guess that posting on tex...@tug.org would be the best place to have the discussion. Hope this helps somehow, karl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#593448: scalable-cyrfonts and font naming
Hi Karl, hi Anton,
(I forgot to include the original bug report, now included)
On Sa, 17 Mär 2012, Karl Berry wrote:
Hi Norbert,
Free Times, Free Helvetian, Free Helvetian Condensed, Free Courier,
Free Avant Garde, Free Paladin, Free Schoolbook, Free Bookman,
Free Chancery, Teams and OldSlavic.
Those names seem awfully generic, and there are some trademarks in
there ... anyway ...
I agree.
Now that creates a clash that is sub-optimal.
Not just suboptimal. Completely unacceptable. Conflicts would make
both fonts sets unusable, in practice.
Also here I agree.
fpl: TL package fpl: SC and OsF fonts for URW Palladio L
shipping the fonts
TL package psnfss: shipping fpl maps
fnc: TL package fouriernc:
I see no magic bullet here. We can't create a conflict. So either the
fpl and fnc authors change their names, the cyrfonts authors change
their names, or we omit at least those two cyrfonts from TL. Right?
These cyrfonts are *NOT* in TeX Live at all, neither in upstream nor
in Debian TeX Live. It is a separate package in Debian.
I have no way of knowing how widely used the TeX fpl and fnc are, but I
expect they have been used in *some* documents. Therefore I would feel
bad about renaming them. Since they have been in TL for some years, I
feel they should have priority on the names ...
I agree that since the other fpl/fnc fonts are in TL since long time,
we will not change there names.
So we simply leave this bug open, and I will probably add a conflict
against scalable-cyrfonts-tex as it breaks behaviour of the tex system.
Best wishes
Norbert
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