Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Le jeudi 18 novembre 2010 à 17:10 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : Such a change should be documented in the release notes of course, but IMO for wheezy this should be the end of non-UTF8. Well, make a poll on debian-devel, I guess you'll get some strong rejection. Well, they can reject whatever they like. Unless they are volunteering to co-maintain the relevant packages and ensure they work with legacy locales, this is irrelevant. Actually, a lot of Debian tools are still unable to handle UTF-8 stuff. They should be ditched, since it means they don’t work on a correctly configured system. -- .''`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `--- J???rg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Le jeudi 18 novembre 2010 à 00:46 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : Just to document a workaround: start orca in a UTF-8 locale, e.g. LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 orca And seriously, we should stop supporting non-UTF8 locales. It can never work properly, and that’s why we use UTF8 by default. -- .''`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `--- J???rg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Josselin Mouette, le Thu 18 Nov 2010 11:08:08 +0100, a écrit : Le jeudi 18 novembre 2010 à 00:46 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : Just to document a workaround: start orca in a UTF-8 locale, e.g. LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 orca And seriously, we should stop supporting non-UTF8 locales. It can never work properly, and that’s why we use UTF8 by default. But there are a lot of existing non-UTF8 systems in the wild which want to still be working after an upgrade. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Le jeudi 18 novembre 2010 à 12:10 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : Josselin Mouette, le Thu 18 Nov 2010 11:08:08 +0100, a écrit : And seriously, we should stop supporting non-UTF8 locales. It can never work properly, and that’s why we use UTF8 by default. But there are a lot of existing non-UTF8 systems in the wild which want to still be working after an upgrade. You mean sarge systems? Such a change should be documented in the release notes of course, but IMO for wheezy this should be the end of non-UTF8. -- .''`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `--- J???rg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Hi, As simple user I don't agree. Indeed, firstly with utf8 systems it is hard to communicate with Windows world, and it's however necessary in daily life. Moreover, for users which come from Windows, it would mean accents problems ... and it's impossible to convert thousands of old files into utf8 (names and/or contents): dangerous and long. So I think it's necessary to maintain iso, which works fine until now, even if sometimes workarounds (orca) and adaptations (OOo) are necessary. Regards, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Le jeudi 18 novembre 2010 à 14:02 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit : Le jeudi 18 novembre 2010 à 12:10 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : Josselin Mouette, le Thu 18 Nov 2010 11:08:08 +0100, a écrit : And seriously, we should stop supporting non-UTF8 locales. It can never work properly, and that’s why we use UTF8 by default. But there are a lot of existing non-UTF8 systems in the wild which want to still be working after an upgrade. You mean sarge systems? Such a change should be documented in the release notes of course, but IMO for wheezy this should be the end of non-UTF8. -- .''`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `--- J???rg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Le jeudi 18 novembre 2010 à 14:07 +0100, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL a écrit : As simple user I don't agree. Indeed, firstly with utf8 systems it is hard to communicate with Windows world, and it's however necessary in daily life. Moreover, for users which come from Windows, it would mean accents problems ... and it's impossible to convert thousands of old files into utf8 (names and/or contents): dangerous and long. So I think it's necessary to maintain iso, which works fine until now, even if sometimes workarounds (orca) and adaptations (OOo) are necessary. The problem doesn’t come from Windows, which is a full-Unicode operating system. It comes from software with no character set support, for example various zip implementations. We cannot encourage users to setup a crippled system for such improper reasons. -- .''`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `--- J???rg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Josselin Mouette, le Thu 18 Nov 2010 14:02:11 +0100, a écrit : Le jeudi 18 novembre 2010 à 12:10 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : Josselin Mouette, le Thu 18 Nov 2010 11:08:08 +0100, a écrit : And seriously, we should stop supporting non-UTF8 locales. It can never work properly, and that’s why we use UTF8 by default. But there are a lot of existing non-UTF8 systems in the wild which want to still be working after an upgrade. You mean sarge systems? Which have become Etch systems, then Lenny systems, yes. Such a change should be documented in the release notes of course, but IMO for wheezy this should be the end of non-UTF8. Well, make a poll on debian-devel, I guess you'll get some strong rejection. Actually, a lot of Debian tools are still unable to handle UTF-8 stuff. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Just to document a workaround: start orca in a UTF-8 locale, e.g. LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 orca or sh -c LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 orca Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Package: gnome-orca Version: 2.30.2-1 Severity: normal Hi, In Preferences menu of orca, first we don't see all tabs (i.e. we don't see 2 first and then, typing twice on left arrow key, we read Braille). When we're on the 2 first tabs, the braille display stays empty whereas it should display General and Speech. Then, when we move in each tab, all the contents of the checkboxes is not displayed. Often, we read that we're on a checkbox but we don't know its content. I'm sure now it is not due to my config, I have a fully ordinary sid distro. Same problem in testing. (with lenny ok, it wasn't perfect). Thanks, Regards, -- System Information: Debian Release: squeeze/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: lang=fr...@euro, lc_ctype=fr...@euro (charmap=ISO-8859-15) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages gnome-orca depends on: ii libgail-gnome-module 1.20.3-1 GNOME Accessibility Implementation ii libgnome-speech7 1:0.4.25-2 GNOME text-to-speech library ii python2.6.6-3interactive high-level object-orie ii python-brlapi 4.2-4 Python bindings for BrlAPI ii python-gnome2 2.28.1-1 Python bindings for the GNOME desk ii python-gtk2 2.17.0-4 Python bindings for the GTK+ widge ii python-louis 2.0.0-1Python bindings for liblouis ii python-pyatspi1.30.1-2 Assistive Technology Service Provi ii python-support1.0.10 automated rebuilding support for P Versions of packages gnome-orca recommends: ii gnome-mag 1:0.16.1-2 a screen magnifier for the GNOME d ii wget 1.12-2.1 retrieves files from the web gnome-orca suggests no packages. -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Hi, On 05/10/10 16:41, jp wrote: In Preferences menu of orca, first we don't see all tabs (i.e. we don't see 2 first and then, typing twice on left arrow key, we read Braille). When we're on the 2 first tabs, the braille display stays empty whereas it should display General and Speech. Then, when we move in each tab, all the contents of the checkboxes is not displayed. Often, we read that we're on a checkbox but we don't know its content. Can you attach a screenshot? it looks alright here. I'm sure now it is not due to my config, I have a fully ordinary sid distro. Same problem in testing. (with lenny ok, it wasn't perfect). Have you tried with a new user? Regards, Emilio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Hi, Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 17:39 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort a écrit : Can you attach a screenshot? it looks alright here. Here's the screenshot for several situations. I always let enabled the braille monitor. A first screenshot is when I'm on the tabs (General), a second when I'm on a checkbox (but empty content in braille), the third I'm on another tab (Speech), the last I'm on a list (empty in braille, must be synthetiser service choice). URLs: http://dl.free.fr/rrNEwu1OR http://dl.free.fr/rX13tRJZQ http://dl.free.fr/rcr9hlsOg http://dl.free.fr/rqr6QrVe8 I'm sure now it is not due to my config, I have a fully ordinary sid distro. Same problem in testing. (with lenny ok, it wasn't perfect). Have you tried with a new user? Yes, it's the same problem. Screenshots were taken as this user. Regards, Regards, Emilio Jean-Philippe MENGUAL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Jean-Philippe MENGUAL, le Wed 06 Oct 2010 00:46:04 +0200, a écrit : Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 17:39 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort a écrit : Can you attach a screenshot? it looks alright here. Here's the screenshot for several situations. It looks like your gnome environment has a hard time with UTF-8 text. How do you start your gnome session ? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Hi I start my session with startx from a terminal in iso-8859-15 encoding. The rest of Gnome environment is displayed properly. No ~/.xinitrc nor .xsession. Tell me if I can tell more. Regards, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 01:00 +0200, Samuel Thibault a écrit : Jean-Philippe MENGUAL, le Wed 06 Oct 2010 00:46:04 +0200, a écrit : Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 17:39 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort a écrit : Can you attach a screenshot? it looks alright here. Here's the screenshot for several situations. It looks like your gnome environment has a hard time with UTF-8 text. How do you start your gnome session ? Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
Jean-Philippe MENGUAL, le Wed 06 Oct 2010 01:16:56 +0200, a écrit : I start my session with startx from a terminal in iso-8859-15 encoding. Ok, that's it, I'm getting the bug in that case too. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#599197: gnome-orca: Bad display of orca's preferences menu
tags 599197 + upstream reported 599197 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631480 thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
