Bug#634272: fvwm: double-clicks with the touchpad left button not always taken into account
tags 634272 wontfix close 634272 thanks On 2011-08-11 17:50:30 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: Regardless, this isn't going to change; and as I've been saying all along, increasing the value of ClickTime is exactly all that's required -- so in that regard, you're welcome. :) Well, I feared of about some drawbacks. For instance, with some software, a press+drag immediately followed by a click makes the click seen as the double click, and this is quite annoying. However I couldn't find any drawback with fvwm (at least for the moment). Still, I would prefer the normal behavior. But if you say that this isn't going to change, let's close the bug as wontfix. BTW, shouldn't the default ClickTime value be increased from 150 to 200, in case other users would be affected by the same problem? -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arénaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#634272: fvwm: double-clicks with the touchpad left button not always taken into account
Hi, On 12 August 2011 15:40, Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: BTW, shouldn't the default ClickTime value be increased from 150 to 200, in case other users would be affected by the same problem? No, but I will add an entry to the FAQ which will address this. Thanks. -- Thomas Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#634272: fvwm: double-clicks with the touchpad left button not always taken into account
Vincent, This is not a bug. Please go and read about ClickTime, and then adjust it accordingly. -- Thomas Adam -- Deep in my heart I wish I was wrong. But deep in my heart I know I am not. -- Morrissey (Girl Least Likely To -- off of Viva Hate.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#634272: fvwm: double-clicks with the touchpad left button not always taken into account
On 2011-08-11 12:32:30 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: This is not a bug. Please go and read about ClickTime, and then adjust it accordingly. I'll have to try to see if this changes anything. I remember having increased DoubleClickTime to several seconds, with no differences. Still if the click time is not accurate at that point, there is a bug somewhere else. How is it computed? -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arénaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#634272: fvwm: double-clicks with the touchpad left button not always taken into account
On 11 August 2011 12:52, Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: On 2011-08-11 12:32:30 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: This is not a bug. Please go and read about ClickTime, and then adjust it accordingly. I'll have to try to see if this changes anything. I remember having increased DoubleClickTime to several seconds, with no differences. DoubleClickTime != ClickTime. DoubleClickTime is to do with menus only. You want *ClickTime*. The reason I'm telling you this is for two reasons: 1. You mentions it happens with any + D action which means it can only be clicktime related. 2. Touch pads have a notorious habit of being over-sensitive in that they'll often send two clicks in very rapid succession -- much more so than a standard mouse, which again is likely why you're seeing it specifically with a touchpad. Still if the click time is not accurate at that point, there is a bug somewhere else. How is it computed? It's computed by taking the time between two single clicks in succession, since X11 does not have a concept of double-click at all. -- Thomas Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#634272: fvwm: double-clicks with the touchpad left button not always taken into account
On 2011-08-11 12:58:32 +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: 2. Touch pads have a notorious habit of being over-sensitive in that they'll often send two clicks in very rapid succession -- much more so than a standard mouse, which again is likely why you're seeing it specifically with a touchpad. OK, I've done some tests with both xev and fvwm and I think I now understand what happens. First, xev shows that with the touchpad button, the button release event can occur quite early (BTW, that's why one can do a double-click with a touchpad button without releasing the button completely). Moreover, after doing tests with fvwm, it seems that for the double-click time threshold (ClickTime), fvwm considers the time between the first button release event and the next button press event, instead of the time between the two button press events. Hence the problem. Increasing the ClickTime value seems to solve the problem, but I now wonder why fvwm considers the release-press time instead of the press-press time like GNU Emacs and Firefox (and applications on other systems, such as Mac OS X), for instance. Having a double-click that behaves in a different way across different software is a bit annoying. IMHO, this is the real problem... unless there's a good reason to do things differently. Still if the click time is not accurate at that point, there is a bug somewhere else. How is it computed? It's computed by taking the time between two single clicks in succession, since X11 does not have a concept of double-click at all. This is not what I was asking. But I've found the answer (see above). -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arénaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#634272: fvwm: double-clicks with the touchpad left button not always taken into account
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 05:18:08PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Increasing the ClickTime value seems to solve the problem, but I now wonder why fvwm considers the release-press time instead of the press-press time like GNU Emacs and Firefox (and applications on other Because it's also used to determine button press events, and moving the mouse as well, as those are two actions that can also happen within an FVWM function on the same button press. There's also a larger historical reason to do with older/other XServers. Regardless, this isn't going to change; and as I've been saying all along, increasing the value of ClickTime is exactly all that's required -- so in that regard, you're welcome. :) -- Thomas Adam -- Deep in my heart I wish I was wrong. But deep in my heart I know I am not. -- Morrissey (Girl Least Likely To -- off of Viva Hate.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#634272: fvwm: double-clicks with the touchpad left button not always taken into account
Package: fvwm Version: 1:2.5.30.ds-1 Severity: normal I have in my config file: AddToFunc Raise-and-MoveC Raise + M Raise + M Move + D RaiseLower Mouse 1 T A Raise-and-Move But when I double-click on the title-bar with the left button of the touchpad while the window is raised, it is not always lowered. This problem occurs quite frequently and is easy to reproduce (sometimes several times in a row). What's strange is that with the other left button of my laptop (the one associated with the point stick), I never have this problem. I've thought of a possible hardware or driver problem, but xev shows no noticeable differences between these two left buttons when I double-click on them. Note: when the window is already lowered, it is always raised when I double-click on the title-bar, but this is due to C Raise; indeed if I change the function to AddToFunc Raise-and-Move D RaiseLower then the problem also occurs when the window is already lowered (i.e. it is not always raised). -- System Information: Debian Release: wheezy/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.38-2-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=POSIX, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Versions of packages fvwm depends on: ii libc6 2.13-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared lib ii libcairo2 1.10.2-6 The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra ii libfontconfig1 2.8.0-3 generic font configuration library ii libfreetype62.4.4-2 FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib ii libfribidi0 0.19.2-1 Free Implementation of the Unicode ii libglib2.0-02.28.6-1 The GLib library of C routines ii libgtk2.0-0 2.24.4-3 The GTK+ graphical user interface ii libice6 2:1.0.7-2X11 Inter-Client Exchange library ii libncurses5 5.9-1shared libraries for terminal hand ii libpng12-0 1.2.46-1 PNG library - runtime ii libreadline66.2-2GNU readline and history libraries ii librplay3 3.3.2-13 rplay network audio system - share ii librsvg2-2 2.34.0-1 SAX-based renderer library for SVG ii libsm6 2:1.2.0-2X11 Session Management library ii libstroke0 0.5.1-6 mouse strokes library -- runtime f ii libx11-62:1.4.3-2X11 client-side library ii libxcursor1 1:1.1.12-1 X cursor management library ii libxext62:1.3.0-3X11 miscellaneous extension librar ii libxft2 2.2.0-3 FreeType-based font drawing librar ii libxinerama12:1.1.1-3X11 Xinerama extension library ii libxpm4 1:3.5.9-1X11 pixmap library ii libxrender1 1:0.9.6-2X Rendering Extension client libra ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3 compression library - runtime Versions of packages fvwm recommends: ii fvwm-icons 20070101-1 icon *.xpm files from fvwm develop ii libx11-protocol-perl0.56-2 Perl module for the X Window Syste ii perl-tk 1:804.029-1.1+b1 Perl module providing the Tk graph Versions of packages fvwm suggests: ii cpp 4:4.6.1-2 GNU C preprocessor (cpp) pn fvwm-themes none (no description available) ii m41.4.16-1 a macro processing language ii menu 2.1.45 generates programs menu for all me pn wm-icons none (no description available) -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
