Bug#635834: texlive-latex-extra: dependency problem: fancytooltips requires acrotex which is not packaged
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020, Jason Gross wrote: > So, if this is accurate and I'm understanding the author correctly, > none of the files have a requirement of distiller/acrobat. If this is > the case, is there anything in the way of TeX Live / Debian shipping > all of acrotex? Might be, if you think so, please discuss with upstream at texl...@tug.org and see whether you can convince the team there, in particular Karl Berry, who is the guardian of what is going into TL. Other option is that someone picks up acrotex and packages it separately for Debian, shouldn't be too difficult (since tlmgr ready repackaging is available). Best Norbert -- PREINING Norbert https://www.preining.info Accelia Inc. + IFMGA ProGuide + TU Wien + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Dev GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13
Bug#635834: texlive-latex-extra: dependency problem: fancytooltips requires acrotex which is not packaged
According to the author of acrotex: > In acrotex, the only acrobat requirement is with insdljs for users of the tex > to dvi to dvips to distiller/acrobat. For users of pdflatex, lualatex, and > xelatex, distiller/acrobat not required. So, if this is accurate and I'm understanding the author correctly, none of the files have a requirement of distiller/acrobat. If this is the case, is there anything in the way of TeX Live / Debian shipping all of acrotex? On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 9:43 PM Norbert Preining wrote: > > > This is perhaps true of some of the features in the acrotex bundle, but it > > is not true of eforms (which is part of the acrotex bundle). The following > > That might be, but as I said, neither upstream TeX Live nor Debian will > pick single files from other packages. > > If you need them, you can install the acrotex bundle using tlmgr user > mode and the repository contrib.texlive.info, or just install the two > files into TEXMFHOME. > > Best > > Norbert > > -- > PREINING Norbert https://www.preining.info > Accelia Inc. + IFMGA ProGuide + TU Wien + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Dev > GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13
Bug#635834: texlive-latex-extra: dependency problem: fancytooltips requires acrotex which is not packaged
> This is perhaps true of some of the features in the acrotex bundle, but it > is not true of eforms (which is part of the acrotex bundle). The following That might be, but as I said, neither upstream TeX Live nor Debian will pick single files from other packages. If you need them, you can install the acrotex bundle using tlmgr user mode and the repository contrib.texlive.info, or just install the two files into TEXMFHOME. Best Norbert -- PREINING Norbert https://www.preining.info Accelia Inc. + IFMGA ProGuide + TU Wien + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Dev GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13
Bug#635834: texlive-latex-extra: dependency problem: fancytooltips requires acrotex which is not packaged
Also, it's clear to me now that I miscommunicated; when I said "This is a
mischaracterization", I was referring to the claim that "Support files that
are free but can only be used with commercial software (in this case
Acrobat)" applied to eforms, not the description of the policy. Sorry for
the confusion and for being unclear.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 10:15 PM Jason Gross wrote:
> > Yes, the *generated* files can be used with other software, but to
> > *generate* the files one needs Adobe Acrobat.
>
> This is perhaps true of some of the features in the acrotex bundle, but it
> is not true of eforms (which is part of the acrotex bundle). The following
> .tex file compiles fine on systems without Acrobat installed (and even
> without needing to enable write18):
>
> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage{hyperref}
> \usepackage{eforms}
> \begin{document}
> Field: \textField[\V{foo}]{bar}{15em}{\baselineskip}
> \end{document}
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 9:37 PM Norbert Preining wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> > > Support files that are free but can only be used with commercial
>> > > software (in this case Acrobat) are not included in TeX Live. Since
>> > > ever. And they will not be.
>> >
>> > This is a mischaractarization. eforms.sty generates pdfs which work
>>
>> No, it is not. This is the policy of the TeX Live Team.
>> Yes, the *generated* files can be used with other software, but to
>> *generate* the files one needs Adobe Acrobat. And thus acrotex
>> will not be included in TeX Live. And we will not pick single files.
>> Nor will do upstream TeX Live.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Norbert
>>
>> --
>> PREINING Norbert https://www.preining.info
>> Accelia Inc. + IFMGA ProGuide + TU Wien + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Dev
>> GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13
>>
>
Bug#635834: texlive-latex-extra: dependency problem: fancytooltips requires acrotex which is not packaged
> Yes, the *generated* files can be used with other software, but to
> *generate* the files one needs Adobe Acrobat.
This is perhaps true of some of the features in the acrotex bundle, but it
is not true of eforms (which is part of the acrotex bundle). The following
.tex file compiles fine on systems without Acrobat installed (and even
without needing to enable write18):
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{hyperref}
\usepackage{eforms}
\begin{document}
Field: \textField[\V{foo}]{bar}{15em}{\baselineskip}
\end{document}
On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 9:37 PM Norbert Preining wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>
> > > Support files that are free but can only be used with commercial
> > > software (in this case Acrobat) are not included in TeX Live. Since
> > > ever. And they will not be.
> >
> > This is a mischaractarization. eforms.sty generates pdfs which work
>
> No, it is not. This is the policy of the TeX Live Team.
> Yes, the *generated* files can be used with other software, but to
> *generate* the files one needs Adobe Acrobat. And thus acrotex
> will not be included in TeX Live. And we will not pick single files.
> Nor will do upstream TeX Live.
>
> Best
>
> Norbert
>
> --
> PREINING Norbert https://www.preining.info
> Accelia Inc. + IFMGA ProGuide + TU Wien + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Dev
> GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13
>
Bug#635834: texlive-latex-extra: dependency problem: fancytooltips requires acrotex which is not packaged
Hi Jason, > > Support files that are free but can only be used with commercial > > software (in this case Acrobat) are not included in TeX Live. Since > > ever. And they will not be. > > This is a mischaractarization. eforms.sty generates pdfs which work No, it is not. This is the policy of the TeX Live Team. Yes, the *generated* files can be used with other software, but to *generate* the files one needs Adobe Acrobat. And thus acrotex will not be included in TeX Live. And we will not pick single files. Nor will do upstream TeX Live. Best Norbert -- PREINING Norbert https://www.preining.info Accelia Inc. + IFMGA ProGuide + TU Wien + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Dev GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13
Bug#635834: texlive-latex-extra: dependency problem: fancytooltips requires acrotex which is not packaged
> Support files that are free but can only be used with commercial > software (in this case Acrobat) are not included in TeX Live. Since > ever. And they will not be. This is a mischaractarization. eforms.sty generates pdfs which work perfectly fine with software such as Chromium and Firefox, and does not require Acrobat to be used. Is the issue that the acrotex bundle includes some files which work only with Acrobat? (If so, could you include just eforms.sty and the files eforms.sty needs to function?) -Jason
Bug#635834: texlive-latex-extra: dependency problem: fancytooltips requires acrotex which is not packaged
tags 635834 + wontfix thanks On Fri, 12 Jul 2019, Hilmar Preuße wrote: > could you care about this and push acrotex into TeX Live upstream? > According to [1] it is LPPL, hence there should be no licensing issue. Support files that are free but can only be used with commercial software (in this case Acrobat) are not included in TeX Live. Since ever. And they will not be. Tagging as wontfix. Best Norbert -- PREINING Norbert http://www.preining.info Accelia Inc. + IFMGA ProGuide + TU Wien + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Dev GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13
Bug#635834: texlive-latex-extra: dependency problem: fancytooltips requires acrotex which is not packaged
On 29.07.11 00:09, Adrian wrote:
Hi Norbert,
could you care about this and push acrotex into TeX Live upstream?
According to [1] it is LPPL, hence there should be no licensing issue.
Hilmar
[1] https://ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/acrotex
> observed behaviour:
> failure to compile, error message
> ! LaTeX Error: File `eforms.sty' not found.
>
> work-around:
> install acrotex from mirror.ctan.org into local TEXINPUTS path
>
> conclusion:
> The package itself is *not* broken (it's slightly outdated with respect
> to the current version at CTAN, but that's another matter), but it
> depends on additional software which is not available within the Debian
> packaging system.
>
> recommendation:
> Either take fancytooltips out of texlive-latex-extra or (better) include
> acrotex as well. The acrotex distribution licence is 'LaTeX Project
> Public License, either version 1.2 of this license or (at your option)
> any later version' according to the header of
> http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/CTAN/macros/latex/contrib/acrotex/acrotex.ins
>
>
> -- Package-specific info:
> If you report an error when running one of the TeX-related binaries
> (latex, pdftex, metafont,...), or if the bug is related to bad or wrong
> output, please include a MINIMAL example input file that produces the
> error in your report.
>
> Please run your example with
> (pdf)latex -recorder ...
> (or any other program that supports -recorder) and send us the generated
> file with the extension .fls, it lists all the files loaded during
> the run and can easily explain problems induced by outdated files in
> your home directory.
>
> Don't forget to also include minimal examples of other files that are
> needed, e.g. bibtex databases. Often it also helps
> to include the logfile. Please, never send included pictures!
>
> If your example file isn't short or produces more than one page of
> output (except when multiple pages are needed to show the problem),
> you can probably minimize it further. Instructions on how to do that
> can be found at
>
> http://www.latex-einfuehrung.de/mini-en.html (english)
>
> or
>
> http://www.latex-einfuehrung.de/mini.html (german)
>
> ##
> minimal input file
>
> \documentclass{article}
>
> \usepackage{xcolor}% either xcolor or color required by fancytooltips
> \usepackage[filename=tooltips]{fancytooltips}
>
> \begin{document}
> \end{document}
>
> ##
> other files
>
> % the complete output of pdflatex with the above minimal example as input
>
> This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.10 (TeX Live 2009/Debian)
> entering extended mode
> (./ttt.tex
> LaTeX2e <2009/09/24>
> Babel and hyphenation patterns for english, usenglishmax, dumylang,
> noh
> yphenation, loaded.
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/base/article.cls
> Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xcolor/xcolor.sty
> (/etc/texmf/tex/latex/config/color.cfg)
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/pdftex-def/pdftex.def))
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/fancytooltips/fancytooltips.sty
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/ms/everyshi.sty)
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/graphics/keyval.sty)
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty)
> (/etc/texmf/tex/latex/config/graphics.cfg)))
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/xkeyval/xkeyval.sty
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/generic/xkeyval/xkeyval.tex))
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/eso-pic/eso-pic.sty)
>
> ! LaTeX Error: File `eforms.sty' not found.
>
> Type X to quit or to proceed,
> or enter new name. (Default extension: sty)
>
> Enter file name: x
>
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Bug#635834: texlive-latex-extra: dependency problem: fancytooltips requires acrotex which is not packaged
Package: texlive-latex-extra
Version: 2009-10
Severity: normal
Attempting to include the fancytooltips package (see minimal example
below) fails because a package required by it (eforms.sty) is not
available. According to
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=eforms.stysearchon=namessuite=allsection=all
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=acrotexsearchon=namessuite=allsection=all
this file (which is part of the acrotex package) is not packaged by
Debian at all.
observed behaviour:
failure to compile, error message
! LaTeX Error: File `eforms.sty' not found.
work-around:
install acrotex from mirror.ctan.org into local TEXINPUTS path
conclusion:
The package itself is *not* broken (it's slightly outdated with respect
to the current version at CTAN, but that's another matter), but it
depends on additional software which is not available within the Debian
packaging system.
recommendation:
Either take fancytooltips out of texlive-latex-extra or (better) include
acrotex as well. The acrotex distribution licence is 'LaTeX Project
Public License, either version 1.2 of this license or (at your option)
any later version' according to the header of
http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/CTAN/macros/latex/contrib/acrotex/acrotex.ins
-- Package-specific info:
If you report an error when running one of the TeX-related binaries
(latex, pdftex, metafont,...), or if the bug is related to bad or wrong
output, please include a MINIMAL example input file that produces the
error in your report.
Please run your example with
(pdf)latex -recorder ...
(or any other program that supports -recorder) and send us the generated
file with the extension .fls, it lists all the files loaded during
the run and can easily explain problems induced by outdated files in
your home directory.
Don't forget to also include minimal examples of other files that are
needed, e.g. bibtex databases. Often it also helps
to include the logfile. Please, never send included pictures!
If your example file isn't short or produces more than one page of
output (except when multiple pages are needed to show the problem),
you can probably minimize it further. Instructions on how to do that
can be found at
http://www.latex-einfuehrung.de/mini-en.html (english)
or
http://www.latex-einfuehrung.de/mini.html (german)
##
minimal input file
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{xcolor}% either xcolor or color required by fancytooltips
\usepackage[filename=tooltips]{fancytooltips}
\begin{document}
\end{document}
##
other files
% the complete output of pdflatex with the above minimal example as input
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.10 (TeX Live 2009/Debian)
entering extended mode
(./ttt.tex
LaTeX2e 2009/09/24
Babel v3.8l and hyphenation patterns for english, usenglishmax, dumylang, noh
yphenation, loaded.
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xcolor/xcolor.sty
(/etc/texmf/tex/latex/config/color.cfg)
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/pdftex-def/pdftex.def))
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/fancytooltips/fancytooltips.sty
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/ms/everyshi.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/graphics/keyval.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty)
(/etc/texmf/tex/latex/config/graphics.cfg)))
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/xkeyval/xkeyval.sty
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/generic/xkeyval/xkeyval.tex))
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/eso-pic/eso-pic.sty)
! LaTeX Error: File `eforms.sty' not found.
Type X to quit or RETURN to proceed,
or enter new name. (Default extension: sty)
Enter file name: x
% the FLS file generated through 'pdflatex -recorder test.tex'
PWD /home/adrian/Textes/hdr
INPUT /usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
INPUT /var/lib/texmf/web2c/pdftex/pdflatex.fmt
INPUT ttt.tex
OUTPUT ttt.log
INPUT /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/base/article.cls
INPUT /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/base/article.cls
INPUT /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/base/size10.clo
INPUT /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/base/size10.clo
INPUT /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xcolor/xcolor.sty
INPUT /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xcolor/xcolor.sty
INPUT /etc/texmf/tex/latex/config/color.cfg
INPUT /etc/texmf/tex/latex/config/color.cfg
INPUT /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/pdftex-def/pdftex.def
INPUT /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/pdftex-def/pdftex.def
INPUT /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/fancytooltips/fancytooltips.sty
INPUT /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/fancytooltips/fancytooltips.sty
INPUT /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/ms/everyshi.sty
INPUT /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/ms/everyshi.sty
INPUT
