Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
Hello, Steve McIntyre, le dim. 16 mai 2021 15:55:20 +0100, a ecrit: > This morning's bullseye build for amd64: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 debian-cd debian-cd 377487360 May 16 08:56 > debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > > and the build I've just triggered by hand: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 debian-cd debian-cd 395313152 May 16 14:45 > debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > > the difference is just under 18MB for the netinst, I think that's > OK. All the other larger images won't see any change here. > > Marking this bug as closed now, as the change is in git and we're > using it for builds now. Thanks! Samuel
Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
Hey Samuel! Sorry for not responding earlier, I've been swamped with other things. :-/ On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:43:39PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: >Samuel Thibault, le sam. 27 mars 2021 17:24:25 +0100, a ecrit: >> Samuel wrote: >> > Currently, the netinst images do not contain brltty and espeakup.. This >> > means that blind users who install Debian without a network mirror end >> > up with an unusable installed system, lacking brltty and espeakup to >> > show braille or talk to them. >> >> Steve McIntyre, le mar. 26 juin 2012 17:28:35 +0100, a ecrit: >> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:20:57PM -0300, Samuel Thibault wrote: >> > >Steve McIntyre, le Tue 26 Jun 2012 15:51:20 +0100, a écrit : >> > >> Looking at this, it adds another ~20MB: >> > >> ... >> > >> CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 96183 after adding amd64:main:libicu48:8138068 >> > > >> > >That's the main culprit and was the reason why >> > >FJP removed brltty from the netinst CD (see >> > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2008/10/msg00013.html). It seems the >> > >effect has just worsened. >> > >> > Yup, it's only going to get worse over time AFAICS. >> >> Can we reconsider this for bullseye? Nowadays the netinst image already >> includes libicu, so adding brltty and espeakup won't add much to the >> image size. We have had at least one user who was really surprised >> that he didn't get braille&speech working in the installed system only >> because he didn't have Internet available because of missing firmware. >> Telling people to download the DVD-1 image for that case is not going to >> fly :) I've just moved espeakup, brltty and alsa-utils from the "forcd1" config into tools/generate_di+k_list so they'll get pulled in for every build including the netinst. Let's see how much of a size difference that makes. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Who needs computer imagery when you've got Brian Blessed?
Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
Hello, ping? Samuel Samuel Thibault, le sam. 27 mars 2021 17:24:25 +0100, a ecrit: > Samuel wrote: > > Currently, the netinst images do not contain brltty and espeakup.. This > > means that blind users who install Debian without a network mirror end > > up with an unusable installed system, lacking brltty and espeakup to > > show braille or talk to them. > > Steve McIntyre, le mar. 26 juin 2012 17:28:35 +0100, a ecrit: > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:20:57PM -0300, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > >Steve McIntyre, le Tue 26 Jun 2012 15:51:20 +0100, a écrit : > > >> Looking at this, it adds another ~20MB: > > >> ... > > >> CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 96183 after adding amd64:main:libicu48:8138068 > > > > > >That's the main culprit and was the reason why > > >FJP removed brltty from the netinst CD (see > > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2008/10/msg00013.html). It seems the > > >effect has just worsened. > > > > Yup, it's only going to get worse over time AFAICS. > > Can we reconsider this for bullseye? Nowadays the netinst image already > includes libicu, so adding brltty and espeakup won't add much to the > image size. We have had at least one user who was really surprised > that he didn't get braille&speech working in the installed system only > because he didn't have Internet available because of missing firmware. > Telling people to download the DVD-1 image for that case is not going to > fly :) > > Samuel
Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
Sorry to chime in here, but do any of The CDs use BRLTTY 6.3. Also another thing which has been on my mind, why can't orca be integrated into the debian installer (obviously not for the netinst ISOs) Regards
Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
Hello, Samuel wrote: > Currently, the netinst images do not contain brltty and espeakup.. This > means that blind users who install Debian without a network mirror end > up with an unusable installed system, lacking brltty and espeakup to > show braille or talk to them. Steve McIntyre, le mar. 26 juin 2012 17:28:35 +0100, a ecrit: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:20:57PM -0300, Samuel Thibault wrote: > >Steve McIntyre, le Tue 26 Jun 2012 15:51:20 +0100, a écrit : > >> Looking at this, it adds another ~20MB: > >> ... > >> CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 96183 after adding amd64:main:libicu48:8138068 > > > >That's the main culprit and was the reason why > >FJP removed brltty from the netinst CD (see > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2008/10/msg00013.html). It seems the > >effect has just worsened. > > Yup, it's only going to get worse over time AFAICS. Can we reconsider this for bullseye? Nowadays the netinst image already includes libicu, so adding brltty and espeakup won't add much to the image size. We have had at least one user who was really surprised that he didn't get braille&speech working in the installed system only because he didn't have Internet available because of missing firmware. Telling people to download the DVD-1 image for that case is not going to fly :) Samuel
Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:20:57PM -0300, Samuel Thibault wrote: >Steve McIntyre, le Tue 26 Jun 2012 15:51:20 +0100, a écrit : >> Looking at this, it adds another ~20MB: >> ... >> CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 96183 after adding amd64:main:libicu48:8138068 > >That's the main culprit and was the reason why >FJP removed brltty from the netinst CD (see >http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2008/10/msg00013.html). It seems the >effect has just worsened. Yup, it's only going to get worse over time AFAICS. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "I suspect most samba developers are already technically insane... Of course, since many of them are Australians, you can't tell." -- Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
Steve McIntyre, le Tue 26 Jun 2012 15:51:20 +0100, a écrit : > Looking at this, it adds another ~20MB: > ... > CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 96183 after adding amd64:main:libicu48:8138068 That's the main culprit and was the reason why FJP removed brltty from the netinst CD (see http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2008/10/msg00013.html). It seems the effect has just worsened. Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
tags 678065 +wontfix thanks On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 08:50:43AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >I'll take a look shortly. If the size of included stuff *is* large, >then I might leave it out and suggest that people do the larger >download for CD1 instead. The netinst loses a lot of its utility if >it's too big, of course. Looking at this, it adds another ~20MB: ... CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 92206 after adding amd64:main:libbrlapi0.5:79042 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 96183 after adding amd64:main:libicu48:8138068 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 97028 after adding amd64:main:brltty:1725972 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 97255 after adding amd64:main:libasound2:460600 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 97923 after adding amd64:main:libsamplerate0:1351432 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98030 after adding amd64:main:libjack-jackd2-0:209124 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98071 after adding amd64:main:libportaudio2:76146 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98081 after adding amd64:main:libasyncns0:13550 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98224 after adding amd64:main:x11-common:277842 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98259 after adding amd64:main:libice6:63116 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98271 after adding amd64:main:libjson0:19384 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98291 after adding amd64:main:libsm6:34182 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98306 after adding amd64:main:libogg0:20554 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98390 after adding amd64:main:libflac8:153672 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98448 after adding amd64:main:libvorbis0a:109230 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98521 after adding amd64:main:libvorbisenc2:142536 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98641 after adding amd64:main:libsndfile1:240344 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98712 after adding amd64:main:libx11-xcb1:139404 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98754 after adding amd64:main:libxi6:74966 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98771 after adding amd64:main:libxtst6:26596 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98925 after adding amd64:main:libpulse0:305098 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 98937 after adding amd64:main:libsonic0:14092 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 99331 after adding amd64:main:espeak-data:804360 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 99411 after adding amd64:main:libespeak1:156294 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 99451 after adding amd64:main:espeak:76806 CD 1: GUESS_TOTAL is 99466 after adding amd64:main:espeakup:24504 ... which means I'm not happy to add it, I'm afraid. The netinst isn't ever going to support all the possible users in the world on its own. That's what the bigger images are for. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Welcome my son, welcome to the machine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:38:41AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: >Package: debian-cd >Version: 3.1.8 >Severity: wishlist > >Hello, > >Currently, the netinst images do not contain brltty and espeakup. This >means that blind users who install Debian without a network mirror end >up with an unusable installed system, lacking brltty and espeakup to >show braille or talk to them. brltty was explicitly removed in version >3.1.0 because it pulls libicu, resulting to 5MiB increase. The rationale >was that it was not deemed the size for the little userbase. Some blind >users have complained about espeakup, which is about the same story >(pulling espeak etc.), so I'm recording the request here, in case that >could be reconsidered. I'll take a look shortly. If the size of included stuff *is* large, then I might leave it out and suggest that people do the larger download for CD1 instead. The netinst loses a lot of its utility if it's too big, of course. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "I suspect most samba developers are already technically insane... Of course, since many of them are Australians, you can't tell." -- Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#678065: debian-cd: Include brltty and espeakup in netinst
Package: debian-cd Version: 3.1.8 Severity: wishlist Hello, Currently, the netinst images do not contain brltty and espeakup. This means that blind users who install Debian without a network mirror end up with an unusable installed system, lacking brltty and espeakup to show braille or talk to them. brltty was explicitly removed in version 3.1.0 because it pulls libicu, resulting to 5MiB increase. The rationale was that it was not deemed the size for the little userbase. Some blind users have complained about espeakup, which is about the same story (pulling espeak etc.), so I'm recording the request here, in case that could be reconsidered. Samuel -- System Information: Debian Release: wheezy/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 3.0.4 (SMP w/8 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash -- Samuel Thibault "c'est pas nous qui sommes à la rue, c'est la rue qui est à nous" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
