Bug#688572: Vote result (was: Poll (was: Popularity of bzr-builddeb and dh-make))

2012-10-20 Thread Benjamin Drung
Hi,

the week is over and here are the results from the vote:
There were 64 participants in total.

dh-make
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46 people want dh-make recommended.
27 people (+ 3 with a question mark) want dh-make suggested.
58 people voted for (at least) one of the above options.

Recommending dh-make instead of suggesting was the clear winner. I will
move dh-make from Suggests to Recommends in packaging-dev.

bzr-builddeb


8 people (+ 3 with a question mark) want bzr-builddeb recommended.
30 people (+ 10 with a question mark) want bzr-builddeb suggested.
44 people voted for (at least) one of the above options.

What will I do?

Am Samstag, den 13.10.2012, 00:10 +0900 schrieb Charles Plessy:
 Le Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:06:11PM +0200, Benjamin Drung a écrit :
  Am Freitag, den 12.10.2012, 10:04 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise:
  
  https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/Popularity_of_bzr-builddeb_and_dh-make/
  
  The poll will be closed in one week (if enough votes are collected).
 
 Hello everybody,
 
 if the point is to have a package that pulls everything one needs when doing
 random work in Debian (as opposed with working specifically in one team where
 it is predictable which helpers are used and which are not), then I do not
 understand the point of not including *-buildpackage and dh-make, which are
 tiny regarding to most other things that mk-builddeps will pull in later.
 
 I think that it is exactly the case where we should not vote.  Unless the
 wheight of bzr and dh-make is unbearable to otherwise users of packaging-dev,
 even if the majority do not use them, what is the harm recommending them ?
 Not to mention that there is no evidence that the people who vote for or
 against recommending them are really using packaging-dev...

I agree with your opinion. packaging-dev targets especially newcomers
and should give them a good starting point. It should allow doing random
work in Debian and therefore recommends packages that are used by a
portion (could be lower than 50%) of Debian developers. For example,
gnome-pkg-tools and pkg-kde-tools are recommended. Not every developer
touches a GNOME or KDE packages, but these desktop environments are
important enough to recommend these helpers.

The poll showed that bzr-builddeb is wanted by a portion of developers
(18 % up to 25 %), but not by most of them. Therefore I will keep
bzr-builddeb recommended until someone has another good reason to demote
the package to suggests.

-- 
Benjamin Drung
Debian  Ubuntu Developer


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Bug#688572: Vote result (was: Poll)

2012-10-20 Thread David Prévot
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Hi,

Le 20/10/2012 07:35, Benjamin Drung a écrit :

 bzr-builddeb
 
 
 8 people (+ 3 with a question mark) want bzr-builddeb recommended.
 30 people (+ 10 with a question mark) want bzr-builddeb suggested.
 44 people voted for (at least) one of the above options.
[...]
 The poll showed that bzr-builddeb is wanted by a portion of developers
 (18 % up to 25 %), but not by most of them.

Funny, the only thing I can see in the result is that most people who
took the time to vote (30) prefer bzr-builddeb suggested than
recommended (8).

 Therefore I will keep
 bzr-builddeb recommended until someone has another good reason to demote
 the package to suggests.

I suggest that next time you want to discuss relationship of the
packaging-dev package, especially if you don't intend to follow most
people advices or vote, you just skip debian-devel from the discussion.

TIA

David

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