Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Russ Allbery]

Michael Biebl  writes:

> If sysklogd/klogd are converted to transitional packages, which simply
> pull in rsyslog, then any configuration changes should be migrated over
> to then new config file, imo.
> sysklogd uses /etc/syslog.conf and rsyslog /etc/rsyslog.conf

I don't recall if there's anything allowed in the sysklogd configuration
that rsyslog doesn't support, but at least for all of our systems
installing an /etc/rsyslog.d fragment that did:

$IncludeConfig /etc/syslog.conf

was all that was required to transition without changing any existing
configurations.

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Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Thorsten Glaser]

Andres Salomon dixit:

>Hm.  Rather than simply remove it, can we actually provide an upgrade
>path to rsyslog?  I'd be happy to NMU a version of ksyslogd that
>does this in unstable (for consideration in wheezy), as long as rsyslog
>is truly a drop-in replacement.

No, I veto that, I’m happily using sysklogd in sid.
Do *not* break that.

>It seems that new squeeze installs default to using rsyslog.  However,

Lenny started with that beast, actually.

bye,
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Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Andres Salomon]

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:59:58 +0100
Michael Biebl  wrote:

> Am 21.01.2013 02:32, schrieb Andres Salomon:
> >>> A better approach imho would be to simply remove sysklogd from the
> >>> archive. It's dead upstream, apparently no longer properly
> >>> maintained in Debian, and there are enough more then suitable
> >>> alternatives. With rsyslog we even have a drop-in replacement.
> >>>
> >> I've added a hint to remove it from wheezy.
> > 
> > Hm.  Rather than simply remove it, can we actually provide an
> > upgrade path to rsyslog?  I'd be happy to NMU a version of ksyslogd
> > that does this in unstable (for consideration in wheezy), as long
> > as rsyslog is truly a drop-in replacement.
> 
> It was an explicit decision back then, to not remove sysklogd
> automatically on upgrades.
> If sysklogd/klogd are converted to transitional packages, which simply
> pull in rsyslog, then any configuration changes should be migrated
> over to then new config file, imo.
> sysklogd uses /etc/syslog.conf and rsyslog /etc/rsyslog.conf

*Nod*.

> 
> > It seems that new squeeze installs default to using rsyslog.
> > However, I still have several older systems that've been upgraded
> > from earlier Debian releases that are still using ksyslogd/klogd.
> > There's been no indication that ksyslogd had been deprecated in
> > favor of something else.
> 
> Something like
> http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new#system-changes

"We're switching to a new default syslogd" != "remove sysklogd (the
old default syslogd), as it is deprecated and unmaintained".  Debian's
default MTA is exim; that doesn't mean postfix and sendmail are
unmaintained.


> 
> That said, a removal of the package is a clear indication that the
> package is no longer maintained and should be replaced, isn't it?

Yes, as long as one notices that the package is removed.  Like I said,
I wouldn't have noticed if not for a bug in the package.  The package
is still in sid.  If it's slated to be dropped from the archive, I
think it's worth either automating an upgrade to the replacement, or
informing users.




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Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Michael Biebl]

Am 21.01.2013 02:32, schrieb Andres Salomon:
>>> A better approach imho would be to simply remove sysklogd from the
>>> archive. It's dead upstream, apparently no longer properly
>>> maintained in Debian, and there are enough more then suitable
>>> alternatives. With rsyslog we even have a drop-in replacement.
>>>
>> I've added a hint to remove it from wheezy.
> 
> Hm.  Rather than simply remove it, can we actually provide an upgrade
> path to rsyslog?  I'd be happy to NMU a version of ksyslogd that
> does this in unstable (for consideration in wheezy), as long as rsyslog
> is truly a drop-in replacement.

It was an explicit decision back then, to not remove sysklogd
automatically on upgrades.
If sysklogd/klogd are converted to transitional packages, which simply
pull in rsyslog, then any configuration changes should be migrated over
to then new config file, imo.
sysklogd uses /etc/syslog.conf and rsyslog /etc/rsyslog.conf

> It seems that new squeeze installs default to using rsyslog.  However,
> I still have several older systems that've been upgraded from earlier
> Debian releases that are still using ksyslogd/klogd.  There's been no
> indication that ksyslogd had been deprecated in favor of something
> else.

Something like
http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new#system-changes

That said, a removal of the package is a clear indication that the
package is no longer maintained and should be replaced, isn't it?

Michael


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Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Andres Salomon]

> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 00:41:35 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> > A better approach imho would be to simply remove sysklogd from the
> > archive. It's dead upstream, apparently no longer properly
> > maintained in Debian, and there are enough more then suitable
> > alternatives. With rsyslog we even have a drop-in replacement.
> > 
> I've added a hint to remove it from wheezy.
>
> Cheers,
> Julien

Hm.  Rather than simply remove it, can we actually provide an upgrade
path to rsyslog?  I'd be happy to NMU a version of ksyslogd that
does this in unstable (for consideration in wheezy), as long as rsyslog
is truly a drop-in replacement.

It seems that new squeeze installs default to using rsyslog.  However,
I still have several older systems that've been upgraded from earlier
Debian releases that are still using ksyslogd/klogd.  There's been no
indication that ksyslogd had been deprecated in favor of something
else.  If not for the 100% klogd cpu bug (#680099), I'd probably have
continued running it forever without realizing we've switched to
rsyslog.


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Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Julien Cristau]

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 00:41:35 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:

> A better approach imho would be to simply remove sysklogd from the
> archive. It's dead upstream, apparently no longer properly maintained in
> Debian, and there are enough more then suitable alternatives.
> With rsyslog we even have a drop-in replacement.
> 
I've added a hint to remove it from wheezy.

Cheers,
Julien


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Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Thorsten Glaser]

Michael Biebl dixit:

>A better approach imho would be to simply remove sysklogd from the
>archive.

Please no!

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Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Michael Biebl]

On 12.10.2012 23:22, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm forwarding this to the debian-release mailinglist as Adam
> suggested to me on IRC:
> 
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 09:59:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> can we please agree this is a corner case and have this
>> be tagged wheezy-ignore?
>>
>> bye,
>> //mirabilos
> 
> @Release Team, this is a question about tagging #689578 wheezy-ignore
> for sysklogd asked by Thorsten.

A better approach imho would be to simply remove sysklogd from the
archive. It's dead upstream, apparently no longer properly maintained in
Debian, and there are enough more then suitable alternatives.
With rsyslog we even have a drop-in replacement.


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Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Salvatore Bonaccorso]

Hi

I'm forwarding this to the debian-release mailinglist as Adam
suggested to me on IRC:

On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 09:59:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> can we please agree this is a corner case and have this
> be tagged wheezy-ignore?
> 
> bye,
> //mirabilos

@Release Team, this is a question about tagging #689578 wheezy-ignore
for sysklogd asked by Thorsten.

I have not (yet) checked if this is easily solvable with the standard
approach used for these policy 10.7.3 violation bugs.

Regards,
Salvatore


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Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Salvatore Bonaccorso]

Hi Thorsten

On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 09:59:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> can we please agree this is a corner case and have this
> be tagged wheezy-ignore?

Hmm, as the tag should be decided by the Release Team, do you have an
opinion from them on this?

I haven't looked at it in more detail, but maybe it's quite easy with
the default approach already used for similar bugreports (don't
install as conffile and create the configuration file in postinst).

Regards,
Salvatore


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Bug#689578: sysklogd modifies /etc/syslog.conf with helper script

[Thorsten Glaser]

Hi,

can we please agree this is a corner case and have this
be tagged wheezy-ignore?

bye,
//mirabilos
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