Bug#694945: foomatic: cannot get PPD for Canon-PIXMA-iP3000 and many others
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 08:38:17PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 12:49:53AM +, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 04:45:07PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote: Package: foomatic-db-engine Version: 4.0.8-3 Severity: normal There are apparently 3 CUPS drivers in Debian for the Pixma iP3000: gutenprint.5.2://bjc-PIXMA-iP3000/expert foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2.ppd I have no idea why CUPS is using foomatic drivers here. The native CUPS driver is preferred. It was a test I wanted to do, to check if the foomatic one would support features not found in the gutenprint one (notably head cleaning) It's exactly the same driver, just using the foomatic/ijsgutenprint/ijs/gs workflow instead of the native CUPS driver. It's really only useful for people using non-CUPS spoolers like LPRng. It would be much less effort for the other spoolers to just support using CUPS filters! The foomatic stuff for gutenprint appears to break reasonably often--at least, that's the impression I get from the bug reports. Well, I can't tell if there are printers for which they are useful. But there are definitely things that could be improved, like making sure drivers for a single printer sort close enough in the list :) I thought that it was ordered by manufacturer/model, with the driver in parentheses following (at least in the web UI). Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key F33D 281D 470A B443 6756 147C 07B3 C8BC 4083 E800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#694945: foomatic: cannot get PPD for Canon-PIXMA-iP3000 and many others
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:23:23AM +, Roger Leigh wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 08:38:17PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 12:49:53AM +, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 04:45:07PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote: Package: foomatic-db-engine Version: 4.0.8-3 Severity: normal There are apparently 3 CUPS drivers in Debian for the Pixma iP3000: gutenprint.5.2://bjc-PIXMA-iP3000/expert foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2.ppd I have no idea why CUPS is using foomatic drivers here. The native CUPS driver is preferred. It was a test I wanted to do, to check if the foomatic one would support features not found in the gutenprint one (notably head cleaning) It's exactly the same driver, just using the foomatic/ijsgutenprint/ijs/gs workflow instead of the native CUPS driver. It's really only useful for people using non-CUPS spoolers like LPRng. It would be much less effort for the other spoolers to just support using CUPS filters! The foomatic stuff for gutenprint appears to break reasonably often--at least, that's the impression I get from the bug reports. Ah ok. [somewhat off-topic wrt to the bug subject] Maybe there could be some way to make this more obvious at first sight - I mean even if the foomatic-based chain gets removed from CUPS, if it stays for other spoolers maybe some wordings could be improved to make it clear they are not completely different (eg. so people not entirely satisfied with the cups driver don't go configuring lprng to check whether the foomatic driver is any better). Maybe what's missing would be something like identifying in driver package descriptions what protocol is used to talk to those drivers, maybe what other packages ship the same drivers for a different protocol (if such a situation exists), and identifying protocol adapters as such ? I admit I'm a bit lost between foomatic-db (which advertises working with CUPS, but if I understand you well should usually not be chosen for this use case), openprinting-ppds (which tells when you don't need the package but not when you need it), and printer-driver-* (not all of which tell they target CUPS). Ugh :) Well, I can't tell if there are printers for which they are useful. But there are definitely things that could be improved, like making sure drivers for a single printer sort close enough in the list :) I thought that it was ordered by manufacturer/model, with the driver in parentheses following (at least in the web UI). There are different separators (spaces fro gutenprint vs. hyphens for foomatic ones), which cause them to be grouped separately. ie. Canon PIXMA iP3000 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.9 Canon PIXMA iP3100 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.9 ... Canon PIXMA MX ... ... then only after many more lines: ... Canon PIXMA-iP3000 Foomatic/gutenprint-ijs.5.2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#694945: foomatic: cannot get PPD for Canon-PIXMA-iP3000 and many others
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 12:49:53AM +, Roger Leigh wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 04:45:07PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote: Package: foomatic-db-engine Version: 4.0.8-3 Severity: normal There are apparently 3 CUPS drivers in Debian for the Pixma iP3000: gutenprint.5.2://bjc-PIXMA-iP3000/expert foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2.ppd I have no idea why CUPS is using foomatic drivers here. The native CUPS driver is preferred. It was a test I wanted to do, to check if the foomatic one would support features not found in the gutenprint one (notably head cleaning) Do you have the ijsgutenprint package installed? yes I'm afraid I can't help with the specifics of the foomatic issue itself since I'm not a foomatic expert. [Given the pain they cause, it might be best to remove the gutenprint foomatic packages entirely for jessie.] Well, I can't tell if there are printers for which they are useful. But there are definitely things that could be improved, like making sure drivers for a single printer sort close enough in the list :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#694945: foomatic: cannot get PPD for Canon-PIXMA-iP3000 and many others
Package: foomatic-db-engine Version: 4.0.8-3 Severity: normal There are apparently 3 CUPS drivers in Debian for the Pixma iP3000: gutenprint.5.2://bjc-PIXMA-iP3000/expert foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2.ppd If I try to use one of the latter two in CUPS, I get the following errors when selecting them from the Web UI (here copied from cups/error_log): E [02/Dec/2012:16:10:17 +0100] [CGI] Could not determine driver name for Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd! E [02/Dec/2012:16:10:17 +0100] copy_model: empty PPD file E [02/Dec/2012:16:10:17 +0100] Returning IPP server-error-internal-error for CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer (ipp://localhost/printers/Canon_iP3000_gutenprint_ijs) from localhost E [02/Dec/2012:16:10:23 +0100] [CGI] Could not determine driver name for Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2.ppd! E [02/Dec/2012:16:10:23 +0100] copy_model: empty PPD file E [02/Dec/2012:16:10:23 +0100] Returning IPP server-error-internal-error for CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer (ipp://localhost/printers/Canon_iP3000_gutenprint_ijs) from localhost The problem seems to come from /usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic itself - whereas .../foomatic cat drv works with drivers that specify a last field with many info (MFG, etc), there seems to be a problem with those that only show DRV there, which seem to be all those shown by /usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic list | grep -v MFG # /usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic list | grep -i ip3000 foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd en Canon Canon PIXMA-iP3000 Foomatic/gutenprint-ijs.5.2 DRV:Dgutenprint-ijs.5.2,M0,TF; foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2.ppd en Canon Canon PIXMA-iP3000 Foomatic/gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2 DRV:Dgutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2,M0,TF; # /usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic cat foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd ERROR: Could not determine driver name for Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd! # /usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic cat foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2.ppd ERROR: Could not determine driver name for Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2.ppd! # /usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic cat foomatic:Epson-PictureMate_260-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd|head -1 ERROR: Could not determine driver name for Epson-PictureMate_260-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd! # /usr/lib/cups/driver/foomatic cat foomatic:Epson-Stylus_T20-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd|head -1 ERROR: Could not determine driver name for Epson-Stylus_T20-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd! ... -- System Information: Debian Release: wheezy/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (101, 'experimental') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages foomatic-db-engine depends on: ii bash 4.2-4 ii curl 7.26.0-1 ii foomatic-filters 4.0.17-1 ii libc6 2.13-37 ii libxml2 2.8.0+dfsg1-6 ii perl 5.14.2-15 ii wget 1.13.4-3 Versions of packages foomatic-db-engine recommends: ii cups 1.5.3-2.4 ii cups-client 1.5.3-2.4 ii foomatic-db 20120523-1 ii netcat-traditional [netcat] 1.10-40 Versions of packages foomatic-db-engine suggests: ii foomatic-db-gutenprint 5.2.9-1 -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#694945: foomatic: cannot get PPD for Canon-PIXMA-iP3000 and many others
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 04:45:07PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote: Package: foomatic-db-engine Version: 4.0.8-3 Severity: normal There are apparently 3 CUPS drivers in Debian for the Pixma iP3000: gutenprint.5.2://bjc-PIXMA-iP3000/expert foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs.5.2.ppd foomatic:Canon-PIXMA-iP3000-gutenprint-ijs-simplified.5.2.ppd I have no idea why CUPS is using foomatic drivers here. The native CUPS driver is preferred. Do you have the ijsgutenprint package installed? I'm afraid I can't help with the specifics of the foomatic issue itself since I'm not a foomatic expert. [Given the pain they cause, it might be best to remove the gutenprint foomatic packages entirely for jessie.] Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key F33D 281D 470A B443 6756 147C 07B3 C8BC 4083 E800 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
