Bug#714320: recommended / suggested

2017-02-09 Thread Hilko Bengen
* Pierre Colombier:

> The problem is that we are all expecting this distro to have
> reasonable "recommends" that do not include everything but just what
> seems to always be desireable.

Save the rant: nmap does not Recommend zenmap.

Cheers,
-Hilko, slightly annoyed to still be discussing this.



Bug#714320: recommended / suggested

2017-02-09 Thread Pierre Colombier

Hi Hilko,

The problem is that we are all expecting this distro to have reasonable 
"recommends" that do not include everything but just what seems to 
always be desireable.


in my not-so-humble opinion, nmap is essentially a console tool used for 
security and diagnostic purposes and I think it should keep a 
minimalistic approch. It's ok to suggest all theses things but It has no 
sense to recommend them. At least, it has no sense on a machine that 
doesn't already have a GUI.


The fact that this problem has been lasting for years, is not a good 
reason to let it subsist.
It is never a good thing to add unnecessary software on a system, even 
if the disk space is out of concern.


As I already said last year, adding the --no-install-recommends option 
*works* but it is not ok, it's just a
workaround. and it's also a bad choice to globally reconfigure apt just 
for one package that has poor recommandations.


I suggest the package to be split in something like "nmap-tiny" wich 
should not include the current Install-Recommends and an "nmap-full" 
that would behave like the current package.
compatibility could be preserved by adding a metapackage "nmap" that  
depends on "nmap-tiny" and recommends "nmap-full"


Cheers,
Pierre


On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 21:26:42 +0100 Hilko Bengen  wrote:

> Does the problem on your asmall routers not go away when you configure
> APT by putting
>
> APT::Install-Recommends "false";
>



Bug#714320: recommended / suggested

2017-02-09 Thread Hilko Bengen
Hi Vincent,

> same thing here. Most of the time I use nmap on regular servers so
> disk space is not really a problem. In a smaller setup though , like a
> router, it's a lot more annoying...

Does the problem on your asmall routers not go away when you configure
APT by putting 

  APT::Install-Recommends "false";

into apt.conf? Where disk space is precious, one should do that anyway.

> That's why like Pierre I'm wondering why those libs are recommended
> and not just suggested ?

You may want to ask the liblinear maintainer that question.

Cheers,
-Hilko



Bug#714320: recommended / suggested

2017-02-09 Thread Vincent

Hello,

same thing here. Most of the time I use nmap on regular servers so disk 
space is not really a problem. In a smaller setup though , like a 
router, it's a lot more annoying...


That's why like Pierre I'm wondering why those libs are recommended and 
not just suggested ?


Best regards,

Vincent