Bug#723103: dieharder: non-free due to $beverage clause?
Hi, Did you want to actually close or downgrade this bug now? The dieharder package got autoremoved from jessie because it's still outstanding with RC severity. I asked -release about jessie-ignoring it like it was for wheezy, and the initial answer from them is that they'd prefer it if either you resolved it, or it gets punted to ftpmaster to decide. Personally I don't really see a problem with the clause in question either. It's the author's own code to licence, not an addition to someone else's GPL code, and it's clearly said that he doesn't consider the extra request binding. Cheers, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#723103: dieharder: non-free due to $beverage clause?
On 27 December 2014 at 04:18, Ron wrote: | | Hi, | | Did you want to actually close or downgrade this bug now? No, because nobody ever replied (including upstream, with whom I've worked on RDieHarder for years, but whose email response rate is still, err, a little erratic). | The dieharder package got autoremoved from jessie because | it's still outstanding with RC severity. | | I asked -release about jessie-ignoring it like it was for | wheezy, and the initial answer from them is that they'd | prefer it if either you resolved it, or it gets punted to | ftpmaster to decide. | | Personally I don't really see a problem with the clause in | question either. It's the author's own code to licence, | not an addition to someone else's GPL code, and it's clearly | said that he doesn't consider the extra request binding. I did not want to step on anybody's policy toes. If you too are cool with closing this, I can surely do that. Dirk | | Cheers, | Ron -- http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com | @eddelbuettel | e...@debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#723103: dieharder: non-free due to $beverage clause?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:14:09PM -0600, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: On 27 December 2014 at 04:18, Ron wrote: | | Hi, | | Did you want to actually close or downgrade this bug now? No, because nobody ever replied (including upstream, with whom I've worked on RDieHarder for years, but whose email response rate is still, err, a little erratic). | The dieharder package got autoremoved from jessie because | it's still outstanding with RC severity. | | I asked -release about jessie-ignoring it like it was for | wheezy, and the initial answer from them is that they'd | prefer it if either you resolved it, or it gets punted to | ftpmaster to decide. | | Personally I don't really see a problem with the clause in | question either. It's the author's own code to licence, | not an addition to someone else's GPL code, and it's clearly | said that he doesn't consider the extra request binding. I did not want to step on anybody's policy toes. If you too are cool with closing this, I can surely do that. The rough consensus of people who have replied to the bug would seem to be that it's not considered a problem, and ftpmaster were cc'd by the original reporter, and they haven't seen fit to remove it from sid or object to the wheezy-ignore. So yeah, I'd say let's close it and get it back into jessie, and if Raphael strongly disagrees, he can appeal to ftpmaster for more some more formal guidance on their part. They've had plenty of time to respond already if they considered it not fit for main though, so it seems reasonable to call this for the consensus view now. Best case, the matter is closed. Worst case, it escalates to a dispute and ftpmaster gives us their opinion. Either way that seems like the right way to resolve this now. Thanks! Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#723103: dieharder: non-free due to $beverage clause?
I would like to close this. Objections? I would suggest reducing the severity instead, perhaps with a rename. Otherwise there is a risk of duplicates being raised, and the issue repeating itself. Regards, Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#723103: dieharder: non-free due to $beverage clause?
Package: dieharder Severity: grave Version: 3.31.1-3 X-Debbugs-cc: ftpmas...@debian.org Hi, As per the copyright file[1]: License is granted to build or use the accompanying software: dieharder according to the following standard Gnu General Public License or any later versions, with the one minor Beverage modification listed below. Note that this modification is probably not legally defensible and can be followed really pretty much according to the honor rule. As to my personal preferences in beverages, red wine is great, beer is delightful, and Coca Cola or coffee or tea or even milk acceptable to those who for religious or personal reasons wish to avoid stressing my liver. The Beverage Modification to the GPL Any user of this software shall, upon meeting the primary author(s) of this software for the first time under the appropriate circumstances, offer to buy him or her or them a beverage. This beverage may or may not be alcoholic, depending on the personal ethical and moral views of the offerer. The beverage cost need not exceed one U.S. dollar (although it certainly may at the whim of the offerer:-) and may be accepted or declined with no further obligation on the part of the offerer. It is not necessary to repeat the offer after the first meeting, but it can't hurt... This looks non-free, it turns the program into a beerware. CC'ing ftpmasters so that they can comment and act if necessary. [1]http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/main/d/dieharder/unstable_copyright Cheers, -- Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer www.debian.org - get.debian.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#723103: dieharder: non-free due to $beverage clause?
On 16 September 2013 at 17:24, Raphael Geissert wrote: | Package: dieharder | Severity: grave Really? CCing upstream who may find the his absence of a sense of humour rather humouress. Dirk | Version: 3.31.1-3 | X-Debbugs-cc: ftpmas...@debian.org | | Hi, | | As per the copyright file[1]: |License is granted to build or use the accompanying software: | | dieharder | | according to the following standard Gnu General Public License or any | later versions, with the one minor Beverage modification listed below. | Note that this modification is probably not legally defensible and can | be followed really pretty much according to the honor rule. | | As to my personal preferences in beverages, red wine is great, beer is | delightful, and Coca Cola or coffee or tea or even milk acceptable to | those who for religious or personal reasons wish to avoid stressing my | liver. | | The Beverage Modification to the GPL | | Any user of this software shall, upon meeting the primary author(s) of | this software for the first time under the appropriate circumstances, | offer to buy him or her or them a beverage. This beverage may or may | not be alcoholic, depending on the personal ethical and moral views of | the offerer. The beverage cost need not exceed one U.S. dollar | (although it certainly may at the whim of the offerer:-) and may be | accepted or declined with no further obligation on the part of the | offerer. It is not necessary to repeat the offer after the first | meeting, but it can't hurt... | | | This looks non-free, it turns the program into a beerware. | CC'ing ftpmasters so that they can comment and act if necessary. | | [1]http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/main/d/dieharder/unstable_copyright | | | Cheers, | -- | Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer | www.debian.org - get.debian.net -- Dirk Eddelbuettel | e...@debian.org | http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#723103: dieharder: non-free due to $beverage clause?
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 05:24:58PM +0200, Raphael Geissert wrote: according to the following standard Gnu General Public License or any later versions, with the one minor Beverage modification listed below. Note that this modification is probably not legally defensible and can be followed really pretty much according to the honor rule. I tend to agree with this - GPL section 10: / | You may not impose any further restrictions on the exercise of the | rights granted or affirmed under this License. For example, you may not | impose a license fee, royalty, or other charge for exercise of rights | granted under this License, \ As to my personal preferences in beverages, red wine is great, beer is delightful, and Coca Cola or coffee or tea or even milk acceptable to those who for religious or personal reasons wish to avoid stressing my liver. The Beverage Modification to the GPL Any user of this software shall, upon meeting the primary author(s) of this software for the first time under the appropriate circumstances, offer to buy him or her or them a beverage. This beverage may or may not be alcoholic, depending on the personal ethical and moral views of the offerer. The beverage cost need not exceed one U.S. dollar (although it certainly may at the whim of the offerer:-) and may be accepted or declined with no further obligation on the part of the offerer. It is not necessary to repeat the offer after the first meeting, but it can't hurt... If valid, this will likely be non-free. I don't think depending on that reading of section 10 is great, so perhaps it's right to move this to non-free. It'd be nice if he rephrased shall to may - it seems like he's not keen to enforce it either. That would likely make this free enough (tm), but I'd need to re-read it to be sure. Cheers, Paul [just as a DD, not ftpteam hacker] -- .''`. Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org : :' : Proud Debian Developer `. `'` 4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352 D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87 `- http://people.debian.org/~paultag signature.asc Description: Digital signature
