Bug#726434: pedantic+silly german installation by in normal (or even expert) mode? (Re: Bug#726434: Processed: Re: Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing " ü" umlaut
On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 01:17:53PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Samstag, 12. April 2014, Christian PERRIER wrote: > > I just committed the fix. I have to admit that I'm not entirely happy > > with D-I prompting German users for a timezone which 99.9% of the > > country doesn't care about but it seems we can't do anything else > > until the Busingen area reverts their specific way to handle time. > > why can't we do anything about it? We do have the source, don't we? ;-) Yes, this prompting is at least 150% politically correct, so I'm opting to patch the upstream files tzdata/europe and tzdata/zone.tab: #tzdata-2014b/debian/patches/busingen.diff -- Description: Remove exception for 'Büsingen'. Until time zones differ, get rid of the annoying choice in Debian Installer. --- tzdata-2014b.orig/europe +++ tzdata-2014b/europe @@ -1263,7 +1263,6 @@ Zone Europe/Berlin 0:53:28 - LMT 1893 Ap # From Arthur David Olson (2012-03-03): # Busingen and Zurich have shared clocks since 1970. -Link Europe/Zurich Europe/Busingen # Georgia # Please see the "asia" file for Asia/Tbilisi. --- tzdata-2014b.orig/zone.tab +++ tzdata-2014b/zone.tab @@ -168,8 +168,7 @@ CW +1211-06900 America/Curacao CX -1025+10543 Indian/Christmas CY +3510+03322 Asia/Nicosia CZ +5005+01426 Europe/Prague -DE +5230+01322 Europe/Berlin most locations -DE +4742+00841 Europe/Busingen Busingen +DE +5230+01322 Europe/Berlin DJ +1136+04309 Africa/Djibouti DK +5540+01235 Europe/Copenhagen DM +1518-06124 America/Dominica --- I'm no expert, maybe other changes are required. Wolfgang signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#726434: pedantic+silly german installation by in normal (or even expert) mode? (Re: Bug#726434: Processed: Re: Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing " ü" umlaut
Hi, On Samstag, 12. April 2014, Christian PERRIER wrote: > I just committed the fix. I have to admit that I'm not entirely happy > with D-I prompting German users for a timezone which 99.9% of the > country doesn't care about but it seems we can't do anything else > until the Busingen area reverts their specific way to handle time. why can't we do anything about it? We do have the source, don't we? ;-) Also its 99,999% or something, not 99,9%. (Too lazy to do the exact math, but Büsingen has 1335 inhabitants compared to 80 mio.) Also: [13:01] < h01ger> | wh000t! timezone busingen! for those who dont know what the differenze between standard german (or swiss) time is: in 1980 .de introduced summertime and in 1981 .ch (and busingen) did it, thats why. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Büsingen_am_Hochrhein explains that, the english page doesnt... [13:07] < h01ger> | that page also says that businged follow_ed_ swiss time laws, as if it doesnt do this anymore, so it sounds unlikely that it will divert from germany ever again. and even if, being prompted between berlin+busingen at anything but an pedantic installation (pedantic>expert) seems silly to me. Or maybe this is a case of me being sleepy or neverending April 1st?!? cheers, Holger, who really wants timezone "Hamburg St.Pauli" or altona.dk anyway signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#726434: Processed: Re: Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
Quoting Wolfgang Schweer (wschw...@arcor.de): > The reported error is due to a missing entry in > tzsetup/debian/common.templates.in, I guess. Thanks for the patch. I just committed the fix. I have to admit that I'm not entirely happy with D-I prompting German users for a timezone which 99.9% of the country doesn't care about but it seems we can't do anything else until the Busingen area reverts their specific way to handle time. Let's just imagine what may think a random Manfred user whho knows nothing about timezones and the Büsingen exception may think when being prompted to choose between "Berlin" and "Büsingen" : "Warum nicht Hamburg, Frankfurt, Dummersdorf or Schiefenthal?":-). But, anyway, better at least have this translated. So, let's add two more translatable string to D-I sublevel 3 and, then, tomorrow, the German translator of D-I will be able to translate "Berlin" to "Berlin" and "Busingen" to "Büsingen". (tomorrow only, because the D-I l10n-sync runs once a day to synchronize the master translation file) Tchüss ! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#726434: Processed: Re: Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 01:26:53AM +0200, Wolfgang Schweer wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:07:51AM +0100, Thiemo Nagel wrote: > > > In which language have you done the installation? "Busingen" is > > > correctly translated to "Büsingen" including in English and > > > German, except in Danish, Basque, French, Italian, Portuguese and > > > Brasilian. > > > > Strange. I thought I was installing in German. I'll try to reproduce > > the issue during the next days and let you know. > > Installation in German (d-i jessie alpha1): > > First a hint is shown, that the translation isn't complete. > > Then I'm prompted to choose between: > > Europe/Berlin (most locations) > Europe/Busingen > > Both alternatives seem to be untranslated. > > If 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' is executed in the installed system, the > correct choices 'Europa' and 'Büsingen' show up. The reported error is due to a missing entry in tzsetup/debian/common.templates.in, I guess. diff --git a/debian/common.templates.in b/debian/common.templates.in index a68cab6..54b0d6e 100644 --- a/debian/common.templates.in +++ b/debian/common.templates.in @@ -86,6 +86,14 @@ __Choices: Santiago, Easter Island Default: America/Santiago Description: zone +Template: tzsetup/country/DE +Type: select +# :sl3: +Choices-C: Europe/Berlin, Europe/Busingen +__Choices: Berlin, Busingen +Default: Europe/Berlin +Description: location + Template: tzsetup/country/EC Type: select # :sl3: --- Without this patch (attached), 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc' spits out a warning to manually review the DE template... Wolfgang diff --git a/debian/common.templates.in b/debian/common.templates.in index a68cab6..54b0d6e 100644 --- a/debian/common.templates.in +++ b/debian/common.templates.in @@ -86,6 +86,14 @@ __Choices: Santiago, Easter Island Default: America/Santiago Description: zone +Template: tzsetup/country/DE +Type: select +# :sl3: +Choices-C: Europe/Berlin, Europe/Busingen +__Choices: Berlin, Busingen +Default: Europe/Berlin +Description: location + Template: tzsetup/country/EC Type: select # :sl3: signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#726434: Processed: Re: Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
> In which language have you done the installation? "Busingen" is > correctly translated to "Büsingen" including in English and German, > except in Danish, Basque, French, Italian, Portuguese and Brasilian. Strange. I thought I was installing in German. I'll try to reproduce the issue during the next days and let you know. Cheers, Thiemo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#726434: Processed: Re: Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 10:52:31PM +0200, Thiemo Nagel wrote: > reassign 726434 tzdata > thanks > > Thank you for correcting me! > > Cheers, > Thiemo > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > Debian Bug Tracking System (2013-10-15): > >> Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > >> > >> > reassign 726434 tzsetup > >> Bug #726434 [debian-installer] debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is > >> missing "ü" umlaut > >> Bug reassigned from package 'debian-installer' to 'tzsetup'. > >> Ignoring request to alter found versions of bug #726434 to the same values > >> previously set > >> Ignoring request to alter fixed versions of bug #726434 to the same values > >> previously set > >> > thanks > >> Stopping processing here. > > > > I really did mean tz*data*. See: > > | $ apt-cache showsrc tzsetup|grep tzdata > > | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9), tzdata, iso-codes, isoquery > > > > In tzsetup: > > | $ grep -A 1 /usr/share Makefile > > | debian/tzmap: gen-templates debian/common.templates.in > > /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab debian/iso_3166.tab > > | ./gen-templates < debian/common.templates.in > > > debian/common.templates > > | -- > > | debian/common.templates: gen-templates debian/common.templates.in > > /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab debian/iso_3166.tab > > | ./gen-templates < debian/common.templates.in > > > debian/common.templates > > > > So I think you want to get tzdata updated, and tzsetup should contain > > the update once it's rebuilt against an updated tzdata package. In which language have you done the installation? "Busingen" is correctly translated to "Büsingen" including in English and German, except in Danish, Basque, French, Italian, Portuguese and Brasilian. -- Aurelien Jarno GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
Le 16/10/2013 10:39, Thiemo Nagel a écrit : On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote: Hmmm, strange. In D-I the only strings we have that do not come from tzdata are those for countries with more than one timezonewhich is not the case for Germany. One shouldn't be prompted for a timezone if one chooses Germany Well, maybe you're right. Büsingen is a tiny German exclave (1500 inhabitants) which seems to follows Zurich time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCsingen At the moment (and for the forseeable future) Zurich time is the same as Berlin time, so it seems questionable whether it is worthwhile to bother German users with that corner case. So, yes, as far as I know, these things probably belong to tzdata, but it's surprising as this is the first time a german user reports being prompted for a timezone during a D-I install (and we probably have more than one german user...or Debian is really sicker than what I was thinking...). Büsingen seems to have been added recently. It only shows up in jessie. (I've just tested that the 7.2 installer doesn't prompt German users.) Cheers, Thiemo In such case, we should modify tzsetup to care about the Büsingen case. Even if this is unlikely, nothing can guarantee that, in the future, Switzerland (or the Zurich canton) decides to modify DST dates and then Büsingen to follow that. We need to think about those 1500 inhabitants and their gazillion of Debian servers (after all, not being far from Zurich, there might be some Googlers living in Büsingen...)...;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote: > Hmmm, strange. In D-I the only strings we have that do not come from > tzdata are those for countries with more than one timezonewhich is > not the case for Germany. > > One shouldn't be prompted for a timezone if one chooses Germany Well, maybe you're right. Büsingen is a tiny German exclave (1500 inhabitants) which seems to follows Zurich time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCsingen At the moment (and for the forseeable future) Zurich time is the same as Berlin time, so it seems questionable whether it is worthwhile to bother German users with that corner case. > So, yes, as far as I know, these things probably belong to tzdata, but > it's surprising as this is the first time a german user reports being > prompted for a timezone during a D-I install (and we probably have > more than one german user...or Debian is really sicker than what I was > thinking...). Büsingen seems to have been added recently. It only shows up in jessie. (I've just tested that the 7.2 installer doesn't prompt German users.) Cheers, Thiemo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
Quoting Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org): > Thiemo Nagel (2013-10-15): > > running the jessie installer and selecting location Germany, I'm > > prompted to choose time zone between "Europe/Berlin" and > > "Europe/Busingen". The correct spelling would be "Büsingen". > > Looks like something coming from tzdata, so should probably be > reassigned there. Might want some confirmation from an l10n guru though. Hmmm, strange. In D-I the only strings we have that do not come from tzdata are those for countries with more than one timezonewhich is not the case for Germany. One shouldn't be prompted for a timezone if one chooses Germany So, yes, as far as I know, these things probably belong to tzdata, but it's surprising as this is the first time a german user reports being prompted for a timezone during a D-I install (and we probably have more than one german user...or Debian is really sicker than what I was thinking...). signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#726434: Processed: Re: Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
reassign 726434 tzdata thanks Thank you for correcting me! Cheers, Thiemo On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Debian Bug Tracking System (2013-10-15): >> Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: >> >> > reassign 726434 tzsetup >> Bug #726434 [debian-installer] debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is >> missing "ü" umlaut >> Bug reassigned from package 'debian-installer' to 'tzsetup'. >> Ignoring request to alter found versions of bug #726434 to the same values >> previously set >> Ignoring request to alter fixed versions of bug #726434 to the same values >> previously set >> > thanks >> Stopping processing here. > > I really did mean tz*data*. See: > | $ apt-cache showsrc tzsetup|grep tzdata > | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9), tzdata, iso-codes, isoquery > > In tzsetup: > | $ grep -A 1 /usr/share Makefile > | debian/tzmap: gen-templates debian/common.templates.in > /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab debian/iso_3166.tab > | ./gen-templates < debian/common.templates.in > debian/common.templates > | -- > | debian/common.templates: gen-templates debian/common.templates.in > /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab debian/iso_3166.tab > | ./gen-templates < debian/common.templates.in > debian/common.templates > > So I think you want to get tzdata updated, and tzsetup should contain > the update once it's rebuilt against an updated tzdata package. > > Mraw, > KiBi. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#726434: Processed: Re: Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
Debian Bug Tracking System (2013-10-15): > Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > > > reassign 726434 tzsetup > Bug #726434 [debian-installer] debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is > missing "ü" umlaut > Bug reassigned from package 'debian-installer' to 'tzsetup'. > Ignoring request to alter found versions of bug #726434 to the same values > previously set > Ignoring request to alter fixed versions of bug #726434 to the same values > previously set > > thanks > Stopping processing here. I really did mean tz*data*. See: | $ apt-cache showsrc tzsetup|grep tzdata | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9), tzdata, iso-codes, isoquery In tzsetup: | $ grep -A 1 /usr/share Makefile | debian/tzmap: gen-templates debian/common.templates.in /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab debian/iso_3166.tab | ./gen-templates < debian/common.templates.in > debian/common.templates | -- | debian/common.templates: gen-templates debian/common.templates.in /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab debian/iso_3166.tab | ./gen-templates < debian/common.templates.in > debian/common.templates So I think you want to get tzdata updated, and tzsetup should contain the update once it's rebuilt against an updated tzdata package. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
Thiemo Nagel (2013-10-15): > running the jessie installer and selecting location Germany, I'm > prompted to choose time zone between "Europe/Berlin" and > "Europe/Busingen". The correct spelling would be "Büsingen". Looks like something coming from tzdata, so should probably be reassigned there. Might want some confirmation from an l10n guru though. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
I'm looking into it currently and will report back Cheers, Thiemo On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Thiemo Nagel (2013-10-15): >> running the jessie installer and selecting location Germany, I'm >> prompted to choose time zone between "Europe/Berlin" and >> "Europe/Busingen". The correct spelling would be "Büsingen". > > Looks like something coming from tzdata, so should probably be > reassigned there. Might want some confirmation from an l10n guru though. > > Mraw, > KiBi. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#726434: debian-installer: Time zone "Busingen" is missing "ü" umlaut
Package: debian-installer Severity: minor Tags: d-i Hello, running the jessie installer and selecting location Germany, I'm prompted to choose time zone between "Europe/Berlin" and "Europe/Busingen". The correct spelling would be "Büsingen". Cheers, Thiemo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
