Bug#764401: Bug#783978: Bug#764401: Are you planning to take over mksh in Debian?

2015-05-01 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Kenneth Pronovici dixit:

I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I'm a little lost.  This package
is orphaned.  If you're no longer the package maintainer, why should
it even matter to you whether upstream issues are tracked as Debian
bugs?

Because

① I’m upstream,

② I’m maintaining this package in Debian, and, most importantly,

③ feature requests aren’t bugs, period.

Besides that, this is arguably a functional regression vs. older
versions of pdksh in Debian, which mksh now provides.  I think it's
useful to have the change in behavior noted, even if it is only a
wishlist.

That’s arguably a good point.

One of mksh’s biggest strengths is that it behaves consistently
across all platforms, though. DO NOT break that.

Goodnight,
//mirabilos
-- 
igli exceptions: a truly awful implementation of quite a nice idea.
igli just about the worst way you could do something like that, afaic.
igli it's like anti-design.  mirabilos that too… may I quote you on that?
igli sure, tho i doubt anyone will listen ;)


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Bug#764401: Bug#783978: Bug#764401: Are you planning to take over mksh in Debian?

2015-05-01 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de wrote:
 Kenneth Pronovici dixit:
I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I'm a little lost.  This package
is orphaned.  If you're no longer the package maintainer, why should
it even matter to you whether upstream issues are tracked as Debian
bugs?

 Because

 ① I’m upstream,

 ② I’m maintaining this package in Debian, and, most importantly,

 ③ feature requests aren’t bugs, period.

Besides that, this is arguably a functional regression vs. older
versions of pdksh in Debian, which mksh now provides.  I think it's
useful to have the change in behavior noted, even if it is only a
wishlist.

 That’s arguably a good point.

 One of mksh’s biggest strengths is that it behaves consistently
 across all platforms, though. DO NOT break that.

Ok, this is clearly becoming way more of a big deal than I expected it
to be.  If you're maintaining the package in Debian (even though it's
orphaned, which makes no sense to me) then feel free to just close
#783978, the wishlist request.  I'd prefer to have that bug stay open,
but now we've moved into the realm of differing philosophies regarding
bug reports, and you and I clearly disagree on this subject.  Do
whatever works best for you.

As far as the mksh behavior is concerned, I never suggested (even in
the original stackexchange discussion), that I wanted to make mksh
behave differently in Debian than on other platforms.  I was simply
offering to help get the changes into Debian, based on the fact that
the package appeared to be without a maintainer.  If the package is
being maintained, then you don't need my help with that.  End of
story.  I hereby withdraw my interest in #764401, the ITA bug report.

If you can make the requested improvement upstream, that's great, and
I would really welcome the change.  If not, I'll just find some other
shell to use.

Thanks,

KEN


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