Bug#766880: xscreensaver screensaver don't appear in mate-screensaver
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Bug#766880: xscreensaver screensaver don't appear in mate-screensaver
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Bug#766880: xscreensaver screensaver don't appear in mate-screensaver
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > I would guess that GNOME uses gnome-screensaver instead and therefore > has no use (other than indirectly) for xscreensaver. But I don't know, Actually GNOME was the original reason for shipping the desktop files. The xscreensaver daemon and configuration tools do not use the desktop files. They were only shipped so that people could use the hacks in xscreensaver-data/gl packages with gnome-screensaver. How this works in GNOME land today, I don't know. Technically, what was GNOME then is Mate now, or something. > and if you don't either then I suggest to treat them equally to any > other DE: Let them speak up themselves if they need special treatment! > > >> If all the DE maintainers are on the debian-desktop ML, I can ask >> there. > > Even if they are not, I consider that list the appropriate place to ask: > To be extra nice (and as bonus promote the existence of that list!) I > suggest to do careful cross-posting: > > a) put only debian-desktop@ as To: > b) Cc: any other lists you may find relevant > c) add debian-desktop@ also as Mail-Followup-To: and Mail-Reply-To: > (the latter for MUAs not supporting the former) and mention > explicitly at the top and bottom of your mail that you recommend > any followup response to go _only_ to debian-desktop@. Thanks, a good idea. I don't know of any for (b) other then debian-devel. You could say any DE disqualifies if is not represented on debian-desktop... Regards, Tormod -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#766880: xscreensaver screensaver don't appear in mate-screensaver
Hi Tormod, Quoting Tormod Volden (2015-06-20 06:50:12) > On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> >> Please, instead of whitelisting known relevant environments, blacklist >> known irrelevant ones. I.e. replace thise line: >> >> OnlyShowIn=XFCE; >> >> with (most likely, as a start) this: >> >> NotShowIn=KDE;GNOME; > > Jonas, > > Your suggestion makes sense, and it leaves new DE projects to tell us > if they want to "opt out". I am bit confused by your example though, > because the current entry is OnlyShowIn=GNOME; Are you saying GNOME > should be blacklisted? > > Currently these DE are recognized by fd.o: "GNOME", "KDE", "LXDE", > "MATE", "Razor", "ROX", "TDE", "Unity", "XFCE", "Cinnamon", "EDE", > "Old" > > Does anyone know which of them should be blacklisted? I guess KDE, but > I am not sure about the rest. I would guess that GNOME uses gnome-screensaver instead and therefore has no use (other than indirectly) for xscreensaver. But I don't know, and if you don't either then I suggest to treat them equally to any other DE: Let them speak up themselves if they need special treatment! > If all the DE maintainers are on the debian-desktop ML, I can ask > there. Even if they are not, I consider that list the appropriate place to ask: To be extra nice (and as bonus promote the existence of that list!) I suggest to do careful cross-posting: a) put only debian-desktop@ as To: b) Cc: any other lists you may find relevant c) add debian-desktop@ also as Mail-Followup-To: and Mail-Reply-To: (the latter for MUAs not supporting the former) and mention explicitly at the top and bottom of your mail that you recommend any followup response to go _only_ to debian-desktop@. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Bug#766880: xscreensaver screensaver don't appear in mate-screensaver
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Please, instead of whitelisting known relevant environments, blacklist > known irrelevant ones. I.e. replace thise line: > > OnlyShowIn=XFCE; > > with (most likely, as a start) this: > > NotShowIn=KDE;GNOME; Jonas, Your suggestion makes sense, and it leaves new DE projects to tell us if they want to "opt out". I am bit confused by your example though, because the current entry is OnlyShowIn=GNOME; Are you saying GNOME should be blacklisted? Currently these DE are recognized by fd.o: "GNOME", "KDE", "LXDE", "MATE", "Razor", "ROX", "TDE", "Unity", "XFCE", "Cinnamon", "EDE", "Old" Does anyone know which of them should be blacklisted? I guess KDE, but I am not sure about the rest. If all the DE maintainers are on the debian-desktop ML, I can ask there. Regards, Tormod -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#766880: xscreensaver screensaver don't appear in mate-screensaver
Package: xscreensaver Followup-For: Bug #766880 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please, instead of whitelisting known relevant environments, blacklist known irrelevant ones. I.e. replace thise line: OnlyShowIn=XFCE; with (most likely, as a start) this: NotShowIn=KDE;GNOME; - Jonas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVYaxpAAoJECx8MUbBoAEhW00P/iGpW6f5ZwcNXW0LcLx+qd1B 2JuE9W4xkmcH8vBELQFr2izpqynOvCcmO7RAa7R8M3Jhacw0QdV+Q2NMXpmDhvNO W2xY1XtVkklqKjmrf76EPz2Bt2ofNUsQV5Km8sGH9nhIvt/gP1slY6HLXGO/4rl5 JkywRwaX0TQeqA7nKf6/Edtx4Nfrj/tw9eo6aFmVWc01y0+2rhtEDnSSVoKOKCpo 1KBQwH2KKH4klc6jVlhv2F9WfwCycZVyBPPOfldv4PXrRiNJAMUEzddjJ/Bc+pbk OJpa8q2EnxwGbSUNK6dAfKnh78aIGQCAe4b++eZgOtx3lkkrNArB1U4Jw7SdytcX 503SpKuAPZS4ywGMwEFyf8Xi2m7s8ADRztVhHH5bdd4mWynatMgdNGTeLtHe6wok 8leD4wtpujGPBnEwqUVk8WpKrGX8EMm4udTq+QZZq7b2aDoEg7zfRaU5q/raz60+ R63IsP+t3AMqHFt25VbYTEjbLLqrEvw4mcRU1F6aTlZrXsEbYB0YNq091kzubTEy ADY/W57LG8RZOdETPO3jrAiHTl17Jp48As/SjeFLi8tFbqlrO1a5vFAqSg+mH8HP iq3XKdUSEL+XQn4H9HtmkV4W21BHIXjl2tJOapZYc2DV/ZxwLWZGdjSaZeh15GHM wTxABrzinK7GT7lNBbog =+haH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#766880: xscreensaver screensaver don't appear in mate-screensaver
Hi Tormod, (I Cc: debian-devel and debian-release MLs to get more external feedback on this.) On Sa 01 Nov 2014 12:03:05 CET, Tormod Volden wrote: --- screensavers-desktop.stub.old 2014-10-26 15:23:44.826806788 +0100 +++ screensavers-desktop.stub 2014-10-26 15:24:39.322497990 +0100 @@ -2,4 +2,4 @@ Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Screensaver; -OnlyShowIn=GNOME; +OnlyShowIn=GNOME;MATE; This change results in all xscreensaver screensavers becoming usable via mate-screensaver. The same would be needed for other .desktop files from all kind of packages. Since MATE is a fork of GNOME, with probably much compatibility, wouldn't it make sense to patch MATE instead so that it shows GNOME desktop files? Is there a policy on this? Nonono... this is not an option!!! Tweaking MATE desktop so that it would also show .desktop files that are only targetted for GNOME(v3) would pull in loads of GNOMEv3-only stuff into a MATE desktop environment that would either break functionality of the MATE desktop or reduce usability (as applications with similar functionality would appear twice at different places on the desktop if MATE and GNOMEv3 are installed in parallel on the same system). Please note that MATE started as a GNOMEv2 fork, but it has turned into quite an independent project / desktop environment and compatibility to current GNOMEv3 exists here and there, but it should not be automatically assumed anymore. MATE is a new desktop shell in Debian with its own namespace and its own set of applications. So, @all-package-maintainers: consider this when providing .desktop files that use OnlyShowIn= or NotShowIn= fields. It is anyway to late to get this xscreensaver change into Jessie by simple upload (it must have been uploaded to unstable before October 26th) so we will have to see what the release managers think. Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpzdY2K1GtaA.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur
Bug#766880: Processed: Re: Bug#766880: xscreensaver screensaver don't appear in mate-screensaver
--- screensavers-desktop.stub.old 2014-10-26 15:23:44.826806788 +0100 +++ screensavers-desktop.stub 2014-10-26 15:24:39.322497990 +0100 @@ -2,4 +2,4 @@ Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Screensaver; -OnlyShowIn=GNOME; +OnlyShowIn=GNOME;MATE; > This change results in all xscreensaver screensavers becoming usable > via mate-screensaver. The same would be needed for other .desktop files from all kind of packages. Since MATE is a fork of GNOME, with probably much compatibility, wouldn't it make sense to patch MATE instead so that it shows GNOME desktop files? Is there a policy on this? It is anyway to late to get this xscreensaver change into Jessie by simple upload (it must have been uploaded to unstable before October 26th) so we will have to see what the release managers think. Regards, Tormod -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#766880: xscreensaver screensaver don't appear in mate-screensaver
Control: reassign -1 xscreensaver Control: tag -1 patch Dear maintainers of xscreensaver, On So 26 Okt 2014 15:08:35 CET, Mike Gabriel wrote: Package: mate-screensaver Severity: important Version: 1.8.1-1 The screensavers from xscreensaver data packages don't appear in mate-screensaver. On ArchLinux a hack was used to make this happen [1]. Something similar we should implement in the mate-screensaver Debian package. Further documentation is given here [2]. Mike [1] https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/mate-screensaver-hacks [2] https://github.com/Sabayon/mate-overlay/blob/master/mate-extra/mate-screensaver/files/xss-conversion.txt I just rebuilt xscreensaver on jessie with a slight change in debian/screensavers-desktop.stub: --- screensavers-desktop.stub.old 2014-10-26 15:23:44.826806788 +0100 +++ screensavers-desktop.stub 2014-10-26 15:24:39.322497990 +0100 @@ -2,4 +2,4 @@ Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Screensaver; -OnlyShowIn=GNOME; +OnlyShowIn=GNOME;MATE; This change results in all xscreensaver screensavers becoming usable via mate-screensaver. I will appreciate it if you could get this change into Debian jessie. Thanks+Greets, Mike (from the Debian MATE packaging team) -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpsm55qJROzC.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur
Bug#766880: xscreensaver screensaver don't appear in mate-screensaver
Package: mate-screensaver Severity: important Version: 1.8.1-1 The screensavers from xscreensaver data packages don't appear in mate-screensaver. On ArchLinux a hack was used to make this happen [1]. Something similar we should implement in the mate-screensaver Debian package. Further documentation is given here [2]. Mike [1] https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/mate-screensaver-hacks [2] https://github.com/Sabayon/mate-overlay/blob/master/mate-extra/mate-screensaver/files/xss-conversion.txt -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpwVQqbZPqg2.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur
