Bug#782455: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#782455: Bug#782455: network-manager-gnome: autostarted but not needed by gnome-shell ?
On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 07:09 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Hi Dan! Am 27.04.2015 um 22:00 schrieb Dan Williams: On Mon, 2015-04-27 at 18:35 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 12.04.2015 um 15:15 schrieb Jérémy Lal: Afair, nm-applet was still autostarted for by gnome-shell to provide the VPN auth dialogs/secrets. I don't think this is the case anymore today, but I'm not totally sure. [1] indicates that it is no longer necessary. GNOME autostart was disabled by d6ffe34dc092926fb949449c182e8f27722b6b8b (2013-07-29) and then the shell watcher code was reworked and autostart was re-enabled by e192e83c1aa136512a9d4f026f81677799af8127 (2013-10-10). So yeah, it's re-autostarted now, and I guess that should be disabled. GNOME Shell has handled VPN auth dialogs since version 3.4 or something like that (almost 3 years old). I've committed a change to the applet's git master to disable autostart again. I see, that you added GNOME to NotShowIn= I wonder if using AutostartCondition=GNOME3 unless-session gnome would be better, so it would still be run e.g. in GNOME flashback? Do you mean the 'fallback' session? If so, that still runs the GNOME Shell network indicator. On the subject of splitting nm-connection-manager from nm-applet in packages, yes, I'd recommend that. I would have 3 packages generated from the network-manager-applet git repo: nm-applet That's currently called network-manager-gnome in Debian/Ubuntu nm-connection-editor We don't split of nm-connection-editor (yet) in Debian. Is there a good reason to do so? Is the nm-connection-editor binary called from within a GNOME Shell session? It does get called from the gnome-control-center binary for some specific configuration cases still. Dan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782455: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#782455: Bug#782455: network-manager-gnome: autostarted but not needed by gnome-shell ?
Am 29.04.2015 um 16:42 schrieb Dan Williams: On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 07:09 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Hi Dan! Am 27.04.2015 um 22:00 schrieb Dan Williams: On Mon, 2015-04-27 at 18:35 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 12.04.2015 um 15:15 schrieb Jérémy Lal: Afair, nm-applet was still autostarted for by gnome-shell to provide the VPN auth dialogs/secrets. I don't think this is the case anymore today, but I'm not totally sure. [1] indicates that it is no longer necessary. GNOME autostart was disabled by d6ffe34dc092926fb949449c182e8f27722b6b8b (2013-07-29) and then the shell watcher code was reworked and autostart was re-enabled by e192e83c1aa136512a9d4f026f81677799af8127 (2013-10-10). So yeah, it's re-autostarted now, and I guess that should be disabled. GNOME Shell has handled VPN auth dialogs since version 3.4 or something like that (almost 3 years old). I've committed a change to the applet's git master to disable autostart again. I see, that you added GNOME to NotShowIn= I wonder if using AutostartCondition=GNOME3 unless-session gnome would be better, so it would still be run e.g. in GNOME flashback? Do you mean the 'fallback' session? If so, that still runs the GNOME Shell network indicator. No, I meant the old, gnome-panel/metacity based GNOME3 fallback https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback Not sure, how much love this still get's today and if it's worth caring for it. I just mentioned, because notfication-daemon (which was traditionally started in that fallback/flashback session) has OnlyShowIn=LXDE;OPENBOX;GNOME; AutostartCondition=GNOME3 unless-session gnome nm-connection-editor We don't split of nm-connection-editor (yet) in Debian. Is there a good reason to do so? Is the nm-connection-editor binary called from within a GNOME Shell session? It does get called from the gnome-control-center binary for some specific configuration cases still. Ok, good to know. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#782455: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#782455: Bug#782455: network-manager-gnome: autostarted but not needed by gnome-shell ?
Hi Dan! Am 27.04.2015 um 22:00 schrieb Dan Williams: On Mon, 2015-04-27 at 18:35 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 12.04.2015 um 15:15 schrieb Jérémy Lal: Afair, nm-applet was still autostarted for by gnome-shell to provide the VPN auth dialogs/secrets. I don't think this is the case anymore today, but I'm not totally sure. [1] indicates that it is no longer necessary. GNOME autostart was disabled by d6ffe34dc092926fb949449c182e8f27722b6b8b (2013-07-29) and then the shell watcher code was reworked and autostart was re-enabled by e192e83c1aa136512a9d4f026f81677799af8127 (2013-10-10). So yeah, it's re-autostarted now, and I guess that should be disabled. GNOME Shell has handled VPN auth dialogs since version 3.4 or something like that (almost 3 years old). I've committed a change to the applet's git master to disable autostart again. I see, that you added GNOME to NotShowIn= I wonder if using AutostartCondition=GNOME3 unless-session gnome would be better, so it would still be run e.g. in GNOME flashback? On the subject of splitting nm-connection-manager from nm-applet in packages, yes, I'd recommend that. I would have 3 packages generated from the network-manager-applet git repo: nm-applet That's currently called network-manager-gnome in Debian/Ubuntu nm-connection-editor We don't split of nm-connection-editor (yet) in Debian. Is there a good reason to do so? Is the nm-connection-editor binary called from within a GNOME Shell session? Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#782455: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#782455: network-manager-gnome: autostarted but not needed by gnome-shell ?
On Mon, 2015-04-27 at 18:35 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 12.04.2015 um 15:15 schrieb Jérémy Lal: Package: network-manager-gnome Version: 0.9.10.0-2 Severity: normal Dear Maintainer, In a gnome-shell session, i see that nm-applet is automatically started, indeed by the fact network-manager-gnome installs /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop. However, this program is apparently not used at all by gnome-shell, and not even accessible when started. So i question two things here: * why it is a dependency of gnome though it is not needed in the default gnome-shell session ? * shouldn't network-connection-editor be in a separate package, allowing one to install it without autostarting nm-applet ? Afair, nm-applet was still autostarted for by gnome-shell to provide the VPN auth dialogs/secrets. I don't think this is the case anymore today, but I'm not totally sure. [1] indicates that it is no longer necessary. GNOME autostart was disabled by d6ffe34dc092926fb949449c182e8f27722b6b8b (2013-07-29) and then the shell watcher code was reworked and autostart was re-enabled by e192e83c1aa136512a9d4f026f81677799af8127 (2013-10-10). So yeah, it's re-autostarted now, and I guess that should be disabled. GNOME Shell has handled VPN auth dialogs since version 3.4 or something like that (almost 3 years old). I've committed a change to the applet's git master to disable autostart again. On the subject of splitting nm-connection-manager from nm-applet in packages, yes, I'd recommend that. I would have 3 packages generated from the network-manager-applet git repo: nm-applet nm-connection-editor libnm-gtk libnma (replacement for libnm-gtk for NM 1.1+, no dbus-glib deps) Dan The commit message also says, that nm-applet is no longer autostarted under GNOME Shell, which apparently is false. So maybe this an oversight by upstream. CCing Dan and Pavel for their input. Michael [1] https://git.gnome.org/browse/network-manager-applet/commit/?id=4473e6a48fcfda1d87d4a4bc9f5c0589235dcfe0 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#782455: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#782455: network-manager-gnome: autostarted but not needed by gnome-shell ?
Am 12.04.2015 um 15:15 schrieb Jérémy Lal: Package: network-manager-gnome Version: 0.9.10.0-2 Severity: normal Dear Maintainer, In a gnome-shell session, i see that nm-applet is automatically started, indeed by the fact network-manager-gnome installs /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop. However, this program is apparently not used at all by gnome-shell, and not even accessible when started. So i question two things here: * why it is a dependency of gnome though it is not needed in the default gnome-shell session ? * shouldn't network-connection-editor be in a separate package, allowing one to install it without autostarting nm-applet ? Afair, nm-applet was still autostarted for by gnome-shell to provide the VPN auth dialogs/secrets. I don't think this is the case anymore today, but I'm not totally sure. [1] indicates that it is no longer necessary. The commit message also says, that nm-applet is no longer autostarted under GNOME Shell, which apparently is false. So maybe this an oversight by upstream. CCing Dan and Pavel for their input. Michael [1] https://git.gnome.org/browse/network-manager-applet/commit/?id=4473e6a48fcfda1d87d4a4bc9f5c0589235dcfe0 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#782455: network-manager-gnome: autostarted but not needed by gnome-shell ?
Package: network-manager-gnome Version: 0.9.10.0-2 Severity: normal Dear Maintainer, In a gnome-shell session, i see that nm-applet is automatically started, indeed by the fact network-manager-gnome installs /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop. However, this program is apparently not used at all by gnome-shell, and not even accessible when started. So i question two things here: * why it is a dependency of gnome though it is not needed in the default gnome-shell session ? * shouldn't network-connection-editor be in a separate package, allowing one to install it without autostarting nm-applet ? Regards, Jérémy. -- System Information: Debian Release: 8.0 APT prefers testing APT policy: (650, 'testing') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=fr_FR.utf8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system) Versions of packages network-manager-gnome depends on: ii dbus-x11 1.8.16-1 ii dconf-gsettings-backend [gsettings-backend] 0.22.0-1 ii gconf-service3.2.6-3 ii gnome-icon-theme 3.12.0-1 ii libc62.19-17 ii libcairo21.14.0-2.1 ii libdbus-1-3 1.8.16-1 ii libdbus-glib-1-2 0.102-1 ii libgconf-2-4 3.2.6-3 ii libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 2.31.1-2+b1 ii libglib2.0-0 2.42.1-1 ii libgnome-keyring03.12.0-1+b1 ii libgtk-3-0 3.14.5-1 ii libmm-glib0 1.4.0-1 ii libnm-glib-vpn1 0.9.10.0-7 ii libnm-glib4 0.9.10.0-7 ii libnm-gtk0 0.9.10.0-2 ii libnm-util2 0.9.10.0-7 ii libnotify4 0.7.6-2 ii libpango-1.0-0 1.36.8-3 ii libpangocairo-1.0-0 1.36.8-3 ii libsecret-1-00.18-1+b1 ii network-manager 0.9.10.0-7 ii policykit-1-gnome0.105-2 Versions of packages network-manager-gnome recommends: ii gnome-keyring 3.14.0-1+b1 ii iso-codes 3.57-1 ii mobile-broadband-provider-info 20140317-1 ii notification-daemon 0.7.6-2 Versions of packages network-manager-gnome suggests: pn network-manager-openconnect-gnome none pn network-manager-openvpn-gnome none pn network-manager-pptp-gnome none pn network-manager-vpnc-gnome none -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
