Bug#788087: Bug#810007: Please consider suds-jurko in light of Fedora doing the same

2016-01-06 Thread Scott Talbert

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016, Mathias Behrle wrote:


I don't agree with the owner (Scott Talbert) about

Upgrade/compatibility impact
No impact expected.

and

User Experience
No changes expected to user experience.

because he was informed [2], that I was already bitten by API incompatibility of
suds-jurko vs. suds.


Mathias,

Good point.  I've added a note about that API incompatibility to the 
change proposal.


Thanks,
Scott



Bug#788087: Bug#810007: Please consider suds-jurko in light of Fedora doing the same

2016-01-06 Thread Christian Hofstaedtler
Hi Matthias,

* Mathias Behrle  [160106 13:57]:
> * Christian Hofstaedtler: " Bug#810007: Please consider suds-jurko in light of
>   Fedora doing the same" (Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:52:45 +0100):
> 
> > Please consider if this would be a good thing for Debian, too
> > (reducing cross-distro issues).
> 
> There is a long-standing issue about this subject at [1]. You probably didn't
> find the issue, because it was automatically archived. I just unarchived the
> bug and merged both.

Indeed, I didn't see it. Thanks.

> []

> [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783029
> [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788087

(Sorry for snipping so much of your mail, but...)

Thank you for the summary, to which I must say I fully
understand/agree. Altough we use suds(-jurko) at work, I see the
issues with it, including lack of maintenance of the fork.
For Debian I was mostly concerned about the cross-distro issue,
which apparently Scott wants to take care of?

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Bug#788087: Bug#810007: Please consider suds-jurko in light of Fedora doing the same

2016-01-06 Thread Mathias Behrle
* Christian Hofstaedtler: " Bug#810007: Please consider suds-jurko in light of
  Fedora doing the same" (Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:52:45 +0100):

Hi Christian,

> Package: python-suds
> Priority: wishlist
> 
> Dear Maintainer,
> 
> Fedora may consider replacing their suds package with the suds-jurko
> fork [1].
> 
> Please consider if this would be a good thing for Debian, too
> (reducing cross-distro issues).

There is a long-standing issue about this subject at [1]. You probably didn't
find the issue, because it was automatically archived. I just unarchived the
bug and merged both.
 
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Suds_Jurko_Fork

Thanks for the link. 

I don't agree with the owner (Scott Talbert) about 

Upgrade/compatibility impact
No impact expected. 

and 

User Experience
No changes expected to user experience. 

because he was informed [2], that I was already bitten by API incompatibility of
suds-jurko vs. suds.

Furthermore the situation with suds-jurko has not changed in any respect:

Last release 2014-01-24 (2 years ago!)
Last commit on bitbucket: 2015-07-27
with an increasing number of unhandled issues and pull requests.


So for me the situation with suds-jurko is only a slight improvement over
original suds, both being problematic n the same way. A future maintainer of
suds-jurko in Debian has to be aware to be in charge to handle a quite
substantial number of patches and/or security issues on his own. As already
stated I am not in favor of introducing software with such implications into
the archive, at least I will not be the one to maintain it. Scott applied to
take over maintainership for python-suds those last days (by PM), to which I
will reply with a separate mail. 

> Thank you,
> Christian

Best,
Mathias

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783029
[2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788087


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Bug#810007: Please consider suds-jurko in light of Fedora doing the same

2016-01-05 Thread Christian Hofstaedtler
Package: python-suds
Priority: wishlist

Dear Maintainer,

Fedora may consider replacing their suds package with the suds-jurko
fork [1].

Please consider if this would be a good thing for Debian, too
(reducing cross-distro issues).

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Suds_Jurko_Fork

Thank you,
Christian

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