Bug#848229: systemd: Should systemd provide netbase?

[Andreas Henriksson]

Hello Marco d'Itri,

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 11:41:08PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Dec 15, Michael Biebl  wrote:
[...]
> > You could ask the netbase maintainer, Marco, though, if he was open to
> > drop the Recommends: ifupdown or demote it to Suggests.
> > That would seem like a reasonable suggestion to me.
> Yes. #824884.

I'd be happy if this could be done, but would also like to ask you
to drop the lsb-base dependency. The init-script is long gone after all.

Any chance for a netbase upload soon? If you'd like me to NMU the above
just say...

(I also looked over the other netbase bug reports and might be worth
considering #799047 if you're doing a maintainer upload.)

Regards,
Andreas Henriksson

Bug#848229: systemd: Should systemd provide netbase?

[Marco d'Itri]

On Dec 15, Michael Biebl  wrote:

> Having systemd Provides: netbase doesn't really make sense. systemd
> doesn't provide that functionality after all.
Indeed.

> You could ask the netbase maintainer, Marco, though, if he was open to
> drop the Recommends: ifupdown or demote it to Suggests.
> That would seem like a reasonable suggestion to me.
Yes. #824884.

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ciao,
Marco


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Bug#848229: systemd: Should systemd provide netbase?

[Olliver Schinagl]

On 15-12-16 19:43, Michael Biebl wrote:

Am 15.12.2016 um 19:41 schrieb Michael Biebl:

Control: reassign -1 netbase
Control: retitle -1 Drop/Demote recommends on ifupdown

Am 15.12.2016 um 13:17 schrieb Olliver Schinagl:

Package: systemd
Version: 232-3
Severity: normal
File: systemd-networkd

Dear Maintainer,

currently, when installing a small server, with systemd(-sysv),isc-dhcp-
server,openntpd

it pulls in some dependencies, of which one comes from netbase, which is a
dependancy of openntpd.

While the choice ultimatly is with the user, having systemd-networkd and
systemd-resolved, which covers most basic network needs and in theory supplies
netbase. So should systemd not also thus provide netbase?

If a user wants to install other network tools or packages depend on specific
networking packages, they can list them as such, naturally.

Having systemd Provides: netbase doesn't really make sense. systemd
doesn't provide that functionality after all.
I don't know what netbase does and does not provide, but 
systemd-networkd provides pretty much everything you need to setup and 
run (quite an advanced) network these days? So what doesn't systemd provide?


You could ask the netbase maintainer, Marco, though, if he was open to
drop the Recommends: ifupdown or demote it to Suggests.
That would seem like a reasonable suggestion to me.

So I'm reassigning this to netbase and let Marco decide.

Keep in mind though, that ifupdown will likely be installed anyway,
since it has Priority: important


Well I installed a container via debootstrap and minbase and only added 
isc-dhcp-server. Then I decided I wanted  which needs netbase 
and only then it started to pull in ifupdown etc.

Bug#848229: systemd: Should systemd provide netbase?

[Michael Biebl]

Am 15.12.2016 um 19:41 schrieb Michael Biebl:
> Control: reassign -1 netbase
> Control: retitle -1 Drop/Demote recommends on ifupdown
> 
> Am 15.12.2016 um 13:17 schrieb Olliver Schinagl:
>> Package: systemd
>> Version: 232-3
>> Severity: normal
>> File: systemd-networkd
>>
>> Dear Maintainer,
>>
>> currently, when installing a small server, with systemd(-sysv),isc-dhcp-
>> server,openntpd
>>
>> it pulls in some dependencies, of which one comes from netbase, which is a
>> dependancy of openntpd.
>>
>> While the choice ultimatly is with the user, having systemd-networkd and
>> systemd-resolved, which covers most basic network needs and in theory 
>> supplies
>> netbase. So should systemd not also thus provide netbase?
>>
>> If a user wants to install other network tools or packages depend on specific
>> networking packages, they can list them as such, naturally.
> 
> Having systemd Provides: netbase doesn't really make sense. systemd
> doesn't provide that functionality after all.
> 
> You could ask the netbase maintainer, Marco, though, if he was open to
> drop the Recommends: ifupdown or demote it to Suggests.
> That would seem like a reasonable suggestion to me.
> 
> So I'm reassigning this to netbase and let Marco decide.

Keep in mind though, that ifupdown will likely be installed anyway,
since it has Priority: important


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Bug#848229: systemd: Should systemd provide netbase?

[Michael Biebl]

Control: reassign -1 netbase
Control: retitle -1 Drop/Demote recommends on ifupdown

Am 15.12.2016 um 13:17 schrieb Olliver Schinagl:
> Package: systemd
> Version: 232-3
> Severity: normal
> File: systemd-networkd
> 
> Dear Maintainer,
> 
> currently, when installing a small server, with systemd(-sysv),isc-dhcp-
> server,openntpd
> 
> it pulls in some dependencies, of which one comes from netbase, which is a
> dependancy of openntpd.
> 
> While the choice ultimatly is with the user, having systemd-networkd and
> systemd-resolved, which covers most basic network needs and in theory supplies
> netbase. So should systemd not also thus provide netbase?
> 
> If a user wants to install other network tools or packages depend on specific
> networking packages, they can list them as such, naturally.

Having systemd Provides: netbase doesn't really make sense. systemd
doesn't provide that functionality after all.

You could ask the netbase maintainer, Marco, though, if he was open to
drop the Recommends: ifupdown or demote it to Suggests.
That would seem like a reasonable suggestion to me.

So I'm reassigning this to netbase and let Marco decide.

Regards,
Michael
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