Bug#864480: why is en_DK included but not en_DE?
Control: tags -1 thanks On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 11:14:20AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > So what you want is actually LC_LANG=de_DE LANGUAGE=en, right? After revisiting some ancient things still maked as unsolved in my notes, I have been running my system with that setting for a couple of years now and it reasonably seems to do the thing I expect it to. Maybe it is asking too much to have a setting to have T.M.D. date format but english monthh names ;-) For me this issue can be closed if you agree. Greetings Marc
Bug#864480: why is en_DK included but not en_DE?
Marc Haber, on jeu. 15 juin 2017 18:07:07 +0200, wrote: > On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 12:15:15PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 11:14:20AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > So what you want is actually LC_LANG=de_DE LANGUAGE=en, right? > > > > If all software was correct, yes. I have a few programs from the GNOME > > ecosystem that still insist on their German l10n with this setting. > > > > I must admit that I have never fully understood all the locale stuff in > > Unix :-( > > I tried reading up on this again. Which man page should I read aside > from locale (5) and locale(7), which does explain a bunch of LC_foo, but > neither LC_LANG nor LANGUAGE? Sorry, LC_LANG was a typo, I should have written LANG. LANGUAGE is documented in info gettext. Samuel
Bug#864480: why is en_DK included but not en_DE?
On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 12:15:15PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 11:14:20AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > So what you want is actually LC_LANG=de_DE LANGUAGE=en, right? > > If all software was correct, yes. I have a few programs from the GNOME > ecosystem that still insist on their German l10n with this setting. > > I must admit that I have never fully understood all the locale stuff in > Unix :-( I tried reading up on this again. Which man page should I read aside from locale (5) and locale(7), which does explain a bunch of LC_foo, but neither LC_LANG nor LANGUAGE? Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421
Bug#864480: why is en_DK included but not en_DE?
On 2017-06-09 12:15, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 11:14:20AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Marc Haber, on ven. 09 juin 2017 10:57:12 +0200, wrote:
> > > frankly, I don't have a clue whether I am filing this against the
> > > correct package
> >
> > No problem, we reassign :)
>
> Thanks!
>
> > > I am a native speaker of German, living in Germany. And I do detest
> > > software translated to German since German translations of technical
> > > terms are often clumsy. I would therefore love having my Debian in
> > > English, but with German punctuation, collation order, monetary and date
> > > display setting etc.
> >
> > So what you want is actually LC_LANG=de_DE LANGUAGE=en, right?
>
> If all software was correct, yes. I have a few programs from the GNOME
> ecosystem that still insist on their German l10n with this setting.
>
> I must admit that I have never fully understood all the locale stuff in
> Unix :-(
>
> > I guess this is what #842630 ("localechooser: Should support separating
> > language from localization") is about, then: no need for a new locale,
> > just a need for separating the language from the rest of the locale.
>
> Yes, looks that way.
>
> > Otherwise we'd end up with a flurry of language/country combination,
> > that'd be unmaintainable.
>
> I was just astonished that the Danish get the privilege, and ther
> Germans dont.
This locale is there for historical reason. It has been added more than
20 years ago has a hack to provide "day, month, year" ordering, used in
most European countries except UK. DK has been chosen at that time. A
country from the Eurozone would probably have been better, but that was
not something really predictible at that time.
Aurelien
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Bug#864480: why is en_DK included but not en_DE?
On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 11:14:20AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Marc Haber, on ven. 09 juin 2017 10:57:12 +0200, wrote:
> > frankly, I don't have a clue whether I am filing this against the
> > correct package
>
> No problem, we reassign :)
Thanks!
> > I am a native speaker of German, living in Germany. And I do detest
> > software translated to German since German translations of technical
> > terms are often clumsy. I would therefore love having my Debian in
> > English, but with German punctuation, collation order, monetary and date
> > display setting etc.
>
> So what you want is actually LC_LANG=de_DE LANGUAGE=en, right?
If all software was correct, yes. I have a few programs from the GNOME
ecosystem that still insist on their German l10n with this setting.
I must admit that I have never fully understood all the locale stuff in
Unix :-(
> I guess this is what #842630 ("localechooser: Should support separating
> language from localization") is about, then: no need for a new locale,
> just a need for separating the language from the rest of the locale.
Yes, looks that way.
> Otherwise we'd end up with a flurry of language/country combination,
> that'd be unmaintainable.
I was just astonished that the Danish get the privilege, and ther
Germans dont.
Greetings
Marc
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Bug#864480: why is en_DK included but not en_DE?
Hello,
Marc Haber, on ven. 09 juin 2017 10:57:12 +0200, wrote:
> frankly, I don't have a clue whether I am filing this against the
> correct package
No problem, we reassign :)
> I am a native speaker of German, living in Germany. And I do detest
> software translated to German since German translations of technical
> terms are often clumsy. I would therefore love having my Debian in
> English, but with German punctuation, collation order, monetary and date
> display setting etc.
So what you want is actually LC_LANG=de_DE LANGUAGE=en, right?
I guess this is what #842630 ("localechooser: Should support separating
language from localization") is about, then: no need for a new locale,
just a need for separating the language from the rest of the locale.
Otherwise we'd end up with a flurry of language/country combination,
that'd be unmaintainable.
Samuel
Bug#864480: why is en_DK included but not en_DE?
Package: locales Version: 2.24-11 Severity: wishlist Hi, frankly, I don't have a clue whether I am filing this against the correct package or whether I would need to talk to some (which?) upstream for this, but maybe you can point me in the correct direction if I am wrong here. I am a native speaker of German, living in Germany. And I do detest software translated to German since German translations of technical terms are often clumsy. I would therefore love having my Debian in English, but with German punctuation, collation order, monetary and date display setting etc. Since an en_DK exists, but no en_DE, I usually run my systems with en_DK and correct the few differences between Danish and German customs manually. This is, however, getting clumsy as well. What do I do to bring a proper en_DE locale into Debian? I am willing to do some work by trying to give a patch and to maintain it in the future. Please advise what to do. Greetings Marc
