Bug#954460: remove mentions of "volatile" repo from sources.list

[Holger Wansing]

Control: tags -1 + pending


Samuel Henrique  wrote:
> Hello Cyril,
> 
> > Would the following look like some reasonable middle ground?
> >
> >  1. Link to the wiki for the time being, getting rid of volatile, and
> > pointing users without any IP restrictions to some documentation.
> >  2. Get the ball rolling to update the devref.
> >  3. Switch the link from the wiki to the devref once the latter is
> > updated.
> 
> Yes, this seems like a good way to go, I will be able to work on this
> during the weekend, to update the patch and submit the devref MR, if
> you'd like to do it yourself before that, feel free to go ahead.

After more than 6 months, I have now merged that MR and added a link to the 
already mentioned doc at
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports

Tagging this bug as pending


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Bug#954460: remove mentions of "volatile" repo from sources.list

[Samuel Henrique]

Hello Cyril,

> Would the following look like some reasonable middle ground?
>
>  1. Link to the wiki for the time being, getting rid of volatile, and
> pointing users without any IP restrictions to some documentation.
>  2. Get the ball rolling to update the devref.
>  3. Switch the link from the wiki to the devref once the latter is
> updated.

Yes, this seems like a good way to go, I will be able to work on this
during the weekend, to update the patch and submit the devref MR, if
you'd like to do it yourself before that, feel free to go ahead.

Thanks,


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Samuel Henrique 

Bug#954460: remove mentions of "volatile" repo from sources.list

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hello Samuel,

Samuel Henrique  (2020-03-31):
> Hello Cyril,
> 
> > I'm wondering whether we should have a pointer to some documentation
> > that would explain what that is. I seem to have this in my web browser
> > history;
> >
> >   https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/03/msg00010.html
> >
> > but there might better places, like this one?
> >
> >   https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates
> 
> I like your suggestion, this is a good opportunity to link some
> documentation explaining a little bit of how updates are done for
> stable releases.

OK, great.

> I would be reluctant to add any reference to the wiki at all because
> it has some ip addresses blacklisted and I remember having multiple
> cases of Brazilian users being unable to access it because they were
> under a blacklisted shared public ip.
> The debian-reference[0] seems like a good thing to point to instead,
> although not explaining "-updates" as well as the wiki, maybe that
> could be changed,
> 
> What are your thoughts?
> 
> [0]https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports

Would the following look like some reasonable middle ground?

 1. Link to the wiki for the time being, getting rid of volatile, and
pointing users without any IP restrictions to some documentation.
 2. Get the ball rolling to update the devref.
 3. Switch the link from the wiki to the devref once the latter is
updated.


Cheers,
-- 
Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant


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Bug#954460: remove mentions of "volatile" repo from sources.list

[Samuel Henrique]

Hello Cyril,

> I'm wondering whether we should have a pointer to some documentation
> that would explain what that is. I seem to have this in my web browser
> history;
>
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/03/msg00010.html
>
> but there might better places, like this one?
>
>   https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates

I like your suggestion, this is a good opportunity to link some
documentation explaining a little bit of how updates are done for
stable releases.

I would be reluctant to add any reference to the wiki at all because
it has some ip addresses blacklisted and I remember having multiple
cases of Brazilian users being unable to access it because they were
under a blacklisted shared public ip.
The debian-reference[0] seems like a good thing to point to instead,
although not explaining "-updates" as well as the wiki, maybe that
could be changed,

What are your thoughts?

[0]https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports

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Samuel Henrique 

Bug#954460: remove mentions of "volatile" repo from sources.list

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi Samuel,

Samuel Henrique  (2020-03-21):
> Package: apt-setup
> Severity: wishlist
> Tags: patch
> 
> Forwarding MR from salsa here:
> 
> I just found out that volatile is still mentioned in sources.list,
> which I consider outdated and confusing for the end user. This MR
> changes the wording of the comment in the sources.list to address
> that.
> 
> Please feel free to change the wording as you find appropriate.
> 
> https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/apt-setup/-/merge_requests/3
> 
> patch:
> https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/apt-setup/-/merge_requests/3/diffs?commit_id=8de2bfd444c383867f31680de2b9dadbf61e601b

Thanks for spotting this (very vaguely :D) obsolete comment. It seems
to echo my pu/remove-comment-about-volatile branch from September. ;)

I'm wondering whether we should have a pointer to some documentation
that would explain what that is. I seem to have this in my web browser
history;

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/03/msg00010.html

but there might better places, like this one?

  https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates

Looping in debian-release@, in case they want to comment.


Cheers,
-- 
Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant


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Bug#954460: remove mentions of "volatile" repo from sources.list

[Samuel Henrique]

Package: apt-setup
Severity: wishlist
Tags: patch

Forwarding MR from salsa here:

I just found out that volatile is still mentioned in sources.list,
which I consider outdated and confusing for the end user. This MR
changes the wording of the comment in the sources.list to address
that.

Please feel free to change the wording as you find appropriate.

https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/apt-setup/-/merge_requests/3

patch:
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/apt-setup/-/merge_requests/3/diffs?commit_id=8de2bfd444c383867f31680de2b9dadbf61e601b

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