Bug#958455: From a minimum installation of Sid, metapackage enlightenment installs neither X nor a login manager. Debian Sid, 15 april 2020
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:06:29AM +, Daniel Tourde wrote: > Now I am not really sure I really grasp what you mean with 'Suggests'. Would > it be a message on the console saying "Well, if you need a login manager > please install now package 'x-display-manager'? That's an option Well, not quite. By default apt will just tell you that a package you're installing has suggested another. For example it might look like this: $ sudo apt install enlightenment Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: ... enlightenment ... (lots of stuff) Suggested packages: ... x-display-manager ... (potentially lots of stuff) The following NEW packages will be installed: ... enlightenment ... (lots of other stuff) 0 upgraded, 278 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 158 MB of archives. After this operation, 623 MB of additional disk space will be used. You would need to notice that x-display-manager is in the Suggested list, and then install it yourself. So I don't think this will really help. Alternatively, you can run `apt install --install-suggests` - but you need to know that you want the suggestions first. > The other option is to have a 'enlightenment-desktop' metapackage which > install enlightenment and a simple login-manager (even though it is not > EFL-based). Without a natural choice (ie, EFL-based or something), I don't want to add a metapackage just for this. A standalone window manager will usually need additional pieces anyhow - I don't think I can effectively curate that list for all users. Ross
Bug#958455: From a minimum installation of Sid, metapackage enlightenment installs neither X nor a login manager. Debian Sid, 15 april 2020
Hello Ross, Thank you for your quick reply. I am quite new to Debian, so this might explain why I misunderstood 'enlightenment' as a metapackage when it is as you said, in fact, the window manager in itself. Now I am not really sure I really grasp what you mean with 'Suggests'. Would it be a message on the console saying "Well, if you need a login manager please install now package 'x-display-manager'? That's an option The other option is to have a 'enlightenment-desktop' metapackage which install enlightenment and a simple login-manager (even though it is not EFL-based). To be honest, I have no preferences, as long as it feels simple and logical... ;) Best regards Daniel -Original Message- From: Ross Vandegrift Sent: den 23 april 2020 08:11 To: Daniel Tourde ; 958...@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#958455: From a minimum installation of Sid, metapackage enlightenment installs neither X nor a login manager. Debian Sid, 15 april 2020 Hi Daniel, On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 09:18:24AM +, Daniel Tourde wrote: > I was expecting to be welcomed by a login manager but it did not > happen 'automagically', so to say. I checked and noticed that neither > X nor a login manager were installed (as it happens with Gnome, KDE, > XFCE (I checked... ;) )). Can this be fixed? Currently, enlightenment is not a metapackge as your subject says - it's a binary package for the enlightenment window manager. I don't think it's appropriate to add a Depends or Recommends on a login manager, since it's reasonable to use without. At most it might make sense to add Suggests: x-display-manager. But apt does not install Suggests by default, so you'd still need to request it manually. Would this be an improvement? > I know that 'entrance' is not considered stable/mature at the moment > but I guess an another login manager could be installed anyway, one > that does not require way too many dependencies. If entrance (or some other EFL-based login manager) were mature, I'd be tempted to add an enlightenment-desktop metapackage. But I don't think this is likely. Ross
Bug#958455: From a minimum installation of Sid, metapackage enlightenment installs neither X nor a login manager. Debian Sid, 15 april 2020
Hi Daniel, On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 09:18:24AM +, Daniel Tourde wrote: > I was expecting to be welcomed by a login manager but it did not happen > 'automagically', so to say. I checked and noticed that neither X nor a login > manager were installed (as it happens with Gnome, KDE, XFCE (I checked... ;) > )). Can this be fixed? Currently, enlightenment is not a metapackge as your subject says - it's a binary package for the enlightenment window manager. I don't think it's appropriate to add a Depends or Recommends on a login manager, since it's reasonable to use without. At most it might make sense to add Suggests: x-display-manager. But apt does not install Suggests by default, so you'd still need to request it manually. Would this be an improvement? > I know that 'entrance' is not considered stable/mature at the moment but I > guess an another login manager could be installed anyway, one that does not > require way too many dependencies. If entrance (or some other EFL-based login manager) were mature, I'd be tempted to add an enlightenment-desktop metapackage. But I don't think this is likely. Ross
Bug#958455: From a minimum installation of Sid, metapackage enlightenment installs neither X nor a login manager. Debian Sid, 15 april 2020
Package: enlightenment Version: 0.23.1-5 Hello! I have installed Debian Sid using a minimum installation. Then I decided to install Enlightenment as a desktop environment by using 'apt install enlightenment'. Then I rebooted the machine. I was expecting to be welcomed by a login manager but it did not happen 'automagically', so to say. I checked and noticed that neither X nor a login manager were installed (as it happens with Gnome, KDE, XFCE (I checked... ;) )). Can this be fixed? I know that 'entrance' is not considered stable/mature at the moment but I guess an another login manager could be installed anyway, one that does not require way too many dependencies. Kind regards, Daniel
