Bug#982283: override: bsdmainutils:oldlibs/optional
* Chris Hofstaedtler [210214 23:12]: > Maybe bsdextrautils should be prio standard then? > (I don't know exactly how d-i decides what to install for > "standard system".) I just installed a new system with the daily d-i image, and bsdextrautils gets installed - transitively via man-db. For now there's nothing left to do, IMO. Chris
Bug#982283: override: bsdmainutils:oldlibs/optional
* Samuel Thibault [210211 00:56]: > As I mentioned previously in the bug, bsdutils (required) recommends > bsdextrautils, so for that part things don't change. > > For calendar and cal/ncal, the question indeed holds. For bsdmainutils > maintainers: I guess the goal of splitting them out of bsdmainutils was > precisely to not install them by default? There were two goals: 1) for bsdmainutils delegate most things to util-linux (for various reasons). This was done by moving the utilities to bsdextrautils (from util-linux). 2) util-linux has the goal of making users "not pay" for tools they do not need. That was achieved by putting the tools into bsdextrautils and not into, say, bsdutils. The idea was that the tools would still be there "on a normal install" (however that is defined, ...), but not on minimal installs. Maybe bsdextrautils should be prio standard then? (I don't know exactly how d-i decides what to install for "standard system".) Thanks, Chris
Bug#982283: override: bsdmainutils:oldlibs/optional
Samuel Thibault, le jeu. 11 févr. 2021 00:56:20 +0100, a ecrit: > As I mentioned previously in the bug, bsdutils (required) recommends > bsdextrautils, so for that part things don't change. Ah, no, the base install doesn't follow recommends, so bsdextrautils is not getting installed any more indeed. I have to say I didn't know about the tools it contains, except hexdump :) > For calendar and cal/ncal, the question indeed holds. For bsdmainutils > maintainers: I guess the goal of splitting them out of bsdmainutils was > precisely to not install them by default?
Bug#982283: override: bsdmainutils:oldlibs/optional
Sean Whitton, le mer. 10 févr. 2021 16:44:30 -0700, a ecrit: > On Thu 11 Feb 2021 at 12:21AM +01, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Sean Whitton, le lun. 08 févr. 2021 11:10:43 -0700, a ecrit: > >> On Mon 08 Feb 2021 at 10:19AM +01, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote: > >> > > >> > bsdmainutils has become a transitional package in bullseye. It would be > >> > great if we don't install it by default - right now its Priority: > >> > important. > >> > >> I'm happy to go right ahead and lower the priority of the package that's > >> only transitional, as it having a higher priority is not achieving > >> anything at all. > > > > Yes, please. > > Done. Thanks! > >> It seems appropriate to start a discussion on -devel about not > >> installing those various utils by default by not raising the priority of > >> the package they're not in, however? > > > > With the three "not" I didn't understand which way you wanted to mean > > something. > > Heh, sorry. It seems appropriate to start a discussion on -devel to see > if anyone thinks it's a problem for us to stop shipping those various > utils in the base install, which would be achieved by raising the > priority of the package which now contains them, in addition to lowering > the priority of this one. Ok now I understand, thanks :) As I mentioned previously in the bug, bsdutils (required) recommends bsdextrautils, so for that part things don't change. For calendar and cal/ncal, the question indeed holds. For bsdmainutils maintainers: I guess the goal of splitting them out of bsdmainutils was precisely to not install them by default? Samuel
Bug#982283: override: bsdmainutils:oldlibs/optional
Sean Whitton, le lun. 08 févr. 2021 11:10:43 -0700, a ecrit: > On Mon 08 Feb 2021 at 10:19AM +01, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote: > > Package: ftp.debian.org > > Severity: normal > > > > Hi, > > > > bsdmainutils has become a transitional package in bullseye. It would be > > great if we don't install it by default - right now its Priority: > > important. > > I'm happy to go right ahead and lower the priority of the package that's > only transitional, as it having a higher priority is not achieving > anything at all. Yes, please. > It seems appropriate to start a discussion on -devel about not > installing those various utils by default by not raising the priority of > the package they're not in, however? With the three "not" I didn't understand which way you wanted to mean something. Samuel
Bug#982283: override: bsdmainutils:oldlibs/optional
Hello, On Mon 08 Feb 2021 at 10:19AM +01, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote: > Package: ftp.debian.org > Severity: normal > > Hi, > > bsdmainutils has become a transitional package in bullseye. It would be > great if we don't install it by default - right now its Priority: > important. I'm happy to go right ahead and lower the priority of the package that's only transitional, as it having a higher priority is not achieving anything at all. It seems appropriate to start a discussion on -devel about not installing those various utils by default by not raising the priority of the package they're not in, however? -- Sean Whitton signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#982283: override: bsdmainutils:oldlibs/optional
Chris Hofstaedtler, le lun. 08 févr. 2021 10:19:38 +0100, a ecrit: > bsdmainutils has become a transitional package in bullseye. It would be > great if we don't install it by default - right now its Priority: > important. For information, bsdmainutils' packaging already sets the priority to oldlibs. > Changing this will probably make these utilities not available by > default: > > from package ncal: > cal > ncal > > from package bsdextrautils: > col > colcrt > colrm > column > hd > hexdump > look > ul > write bsdextrautils is recommended by bsdutils which has priority required, so that one will still get installed by default. Samuel
Bug#982283: override: bsdmainutils:oldlibs/optional
Package: ftp.debian.org Severity: normal Hi, bsdmainutils has become a transitional package in bullseye. It would be great if we don't install it by default - right now its Priority: important. Changing this will probably make these utilities not available by default: from package ncal: cal ncal from package bsdextrautils: col colcrt colrm column hd hexdump look ul write Personally I know I'll keep those installed on machines that I use "to type", but certainly not on servers. Thanks, Chris
