Bug#982468: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#982468: fonts-noto-color-emoji: U+1F52B PISTOL shows a water-spraying toy instead
On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Adam Borowski wrote: > I'm thinking, what if we had a separate package with a fontconfig override > that corrects this glyph? I am not interested in that. This package is offered to Debian users for interoperable human communication among people running a variety of systems. I don't see a benefit in offering this (rare) variation to Debian (and derivatives) only since most emoji users do not run Debian-based systems. If this isn't satisfactory, you'll need to try to get changes made upstream. You could ask Unicode to add a new glyph for when a water pistol just isn't adequate. (But you might not want to tell the maintainers their opinions are "nasty" or assume that the status quo is just a US viewpoint.) Thanks, Jeremy Bicha
Bug#982468: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#982468: fonts-noto-color-emoji: U+1F52B PISTOL shows a water-spraying toy instead
On Sat, May 08, 2021 at 09:03:10AM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > I am closing this bug. See James' previous message here for more details. > > In this case, what is actually implemented and used by the major > platforms (messaging apps, browsers, and operating systems) is more > relevant than the written standard. Perpetuating a violation is not right. Especially, when this is done for nasty political reasons (a particular sect of US politics). > If the conflict between the written standard and the implementation > bothers you, you could try working with Unicode to update the > standard. The current standard looks good as-is. On the other hand, it would be good to introduce a "water pistol" character to solve the issue at hand. > Because interoperability with non-Debian-based platforms is such an > essential feature of the Debian fonts-noto-color-emoji package, we > will not attempt to diverge this particular emoji from the upstream > maintainers. What solution would you propose then? I'm thinking, what if we had a separate package with a fontconfig override that corrects this glyph? Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ A true bird-watcher waves his tail while doing so. ⠈⠳⣄
Bug#982468: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Bug#982468: fonts-noto-color-emoji: U+1F52B PISTOL shows a water-spraying toy instead
For a little more context, see discussion at https://github.com/googlefonts/noto-emoji/pull/213. In particular note that this design upstream (i.e. in Noto) is actually motivated by a need to be consistent with Apple, which made the change from pistol to water gun about two years earlier. In this case Apple has effectively dictated their own standard that contradicts Unicode, and forced other platforms to follow. Practically all actively-maintained emoji fonts are using a water gun glyph for U+1F52B at this point: https://emojipedia.org/pistol/. Anyways, what did you hope to accomplish by filing this bug against a Debian package? Is Debian going to start designing its own hotfix glyphs? If not, you should try to get this fixed in Noto (unlikely, admittedly) or use a different font.
