Bug#988696: installation-reports: No network management in LXDE task
Hi, Andreas Tille wrote (Fri, 2 Jul 2021 10:28:07 +0200): > Hi, > > I have tried > > > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/bullseye_di_rc2-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-blsy-DI-rc2-amd64-lxde+nonfree.iso > > for another installation - but network-manager keeps on missing. This is > true for the generic Debian text installer as well as the installer from > Live system. I consider it an important thing to fix for the upcoming > release. I don't see your point here. network-manager does not get installed, yes. But connman-gtk does, right? (as evaluated before) BTW: installing via live system (Calamaris installer) is a completely different thing, compared to the debian-installer. Holger -- Holger Wansing PGP-Fingerprint: 496A C6E8 1442 4B34 8508 3529 59F1 87CA 156E B076
Bug#988696: installation-reports: No network management in LXDE task
Hi, On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 10:53:09AM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: > > I don't see your point here. > network-manager does not get installed, yes. > But connman-gtk does, right? (as evaluated before) My point is that I as a user do not find any icon in the tray to bring up a network connection. I need to admit I'm not an lxde user and install these machines for others (who also have no Linux experience). I know network-manager and once the app is started I can easily bring up the network. So please change my bug report into: No idea how to configure network easily after fresh lxde install. > BTW: installing via live system (Calamaris installer) is a completely > different thing, compared to the debian-installer. Yes, that's clear. However, I guess also the lxde metapackage is involved here. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Bug#988696: installation-reports: No network management in LXDE task
Hi, I have tried https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/bullseye_di_rc2-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-blsy-DI-rc2-amd64-lxde+nonfree.iso for another installation - but network-manager keeps on missing. This is true for the generic Debian text installer as well as the installer from Live system. I consider it an important thing to fix for the upcoming release. Kind regards Andreas. On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 09:00:55PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: > Control: reassign -1 lxde > > > Hi, > > Andreas Tille wrote (Tue, 18 May 2021 10:37:12 +0200): > > I decided for the LXDE task (and unselected Gnome). This ends up with > > no network management on the rebootet system. My solution was wo > > plug-in the installation USB stick and install network-manager (+ > > network-manager-gnome) and all its dependencies manually. This problem > > is not only valid for this box. I have installed three laptops in a row > > and its always the same. My suggestion is to simply add network-manager > > to the LXDE task. > > The LXDE metapackage has a Recommends on > connman-gtk | network-manager-gnome > so connman-gtk should be installed, when choosing the LXDE task. > > And I verified that it gets installed (here). > > I guess, your problem was, that connman-gtk is not being started automatically > when rebooting after installation, so you don't find anything related to > network configuration in the system tray (as you might be used to). > Starting connman-gtk from the menu works though (under 'LXDE menu' -> > Settings -> > Connman Settings). > > So, as a possible way to get around this, LXDE people might want to think > about > adding connman-gtk into "Autostart" under 'LXDE menu' -> Settings -> Default > applications for LXSession, so that network management tool is automatically > started and accessible to the user (and user are aware of such tool)... > > Many people will most probably want to use network management tool on desktop > systems. > > > Re-assigning to lxde people. > > Holger > > > > -- > Holger Wansing > PGP-Fingerprint: 496A C6E8 1442 4B34 8508 3529 59F1 87CA 156E B076 > -- http://fam-tille.de
Bug#988696: installation-reports: No network management in LXDE task
Thank you everyone for the analysis. Will check how to make it work correctly, let fix it on the next upload.
Bug#988696: installation-reports: No network management in LXDE task
Control: reassign -1 lxde Hi, Andreas Tille wrote (Tue, 18 May 2021 10:37:12 +0200): > I decided for the LXDE task (and unselected Gnome). This ends up with > no network management on the rebootet system. My solution was wo > plug-in the installation USB stick and install network-manager (+ > network-manager-gnome) and all its dependencies manually. This problem > is not only valid for this box. I have installed three laptops in a row > and its always the same. My suggestion is to simply add network-manager > to the LXDE task. The LXDE metapackage has a Recommends on connman-gtk | network-manager-gnome so connman-gtk should be installed, when choosing the LXDE task. And I verified that it gets installed (here). I guess, your problem was, that connman-gtk is not being started automatically when rebooting after installation, so you don't find anything related to network configuration in the system tray (as you might be used to). Starting connman-gtk from the menu works though (under 'LXDE menu' -> Settings -> Connman Settings). So, as a possible way to get around this, LXDE people might want to think about adding connman-gtk into "Autostart" under 'LXDE menu' -> Settings -> Default applications for LXSession, so that network management tool is automatically started and accessible to the user (and user are aware of such tool)... Many people will most probably want to use network management tool on desktop systems. Re-assigning to lxde people. Holger -- Holger Wansing PGP-Fingerprint: 496A C6E8 1442 4B34 8508 3529 59F1 87CA 156E B076
Bug#988696: installation-reports: No network management in LXDE task
Hi Holger, On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 09:00:55PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: > Control: reassign -1 lxde > > Andreas Tille wrote (Tue, 18 May 2021 10:37:12 +0200): > > I decided for the LXDE task (and unselected Gnome). This ends up with > > no network management on the rebootet system. My solution was wo > > plug-in the installation USB stick and install network-manager (+ > > network-manager-gnome) and all its dependencies manually. This problem > > is not only valid for this box. I have installed three laptops in a row > > and its always the same. My suggestion is to simply add network-manager > > to the LXDE task. > > The LXDE metapackage has a Recommends on > connman-gtk | network-manager-gnome > so connman-gtk should be installed, when choosing the LXDE task. I admit I do not know connman-gtk. I'm generally not an LXDE user and may be an experienced user of this environment will expect connman-gtk to be installed. But any (LXDE) newcommer is wondering where to configure the network if there is no visible icon to do so. BTW, I just installed another laptop and for whatever reason I lost network connection after I added the Debian Mirror. The installation from USB stick continued smoothly without network. That's possibly the best solution since possibly connman-gtk was not on that stick and thus network-manager-gnome ended up in the installation which even remembered the configured network connection. ;-) > And I verified that it gets installed (here). > > I guess, your problem was, that connman-gtk is not being started automatically > when rebooting after installation, so you don't find anything related to > network configuration in the system tray (as you might be used to). > Starting connman-gtk from the menu works though (under 'LXDE menu' -> > Settings -> > Connman Settings). OK, fine for me. As I said I've found my way, but a newcomer might just stumble upon this. > So, as a possible way to get around this, LXDE people might want to think > about > adding connman-gtk into "Autostart" under 'LXDE menu' -> Settings -> Default > applications for LXSession, so that network management tool is automatically > started and accessible to the user (and user are aware of such tool)... Sounds like a very sensible solution to me. > Many people will most probably want to use network management tool on desktop > systems. +1 > Re-assigning to lxde people. Thanks a lot Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Bug#988696: installation-reports: No network management in LXDE task
Package: installation-reports Severity: normal (Please provide enough information to help the Debian maintainers evaluate the report efficiently - e.g., by filling in the sections below.) Boot method: USB Image version: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/bullseye_di_rc1+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/firmware-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-DVD-1.iso Date: Machine: Lenovo X240 Partitions: Base System Installation Checklist: [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it Initial boot: [x] Detect network card:[x] Configure network: [x] Detect media: [x] Load installer modules: [x] Clock/timezone setup: [x] User/password setup:[x] Detect hard drives: [x] Partition hard drives: [x] Install base system:[x] Install tasks: [x] Install boot loader:[x] Overall install:[x] Comments/Problems: I decided for the LXDE task (and unselected Gnome). This ends up with no network management on the rebootet system. My solution was wo plug-in the installation USB stick and install network-manager (+ network-manager-gnome) and all its dependencies manually. This problem is not only valid for this box. I have installed three laptops in a row and its always the same. My suggestion is to simply add network-manager to the LXDE task. Please make sure that any installation logs that you think would be useful are attached to this report. Please compress large files using gzip. -- Package-specific info:
