Bug#630453: the tutorial's license don't pass the free island test

2011-06-15 Thread Kicad

Hi

it's requested has been replaced with it's strongly encouraged.

You can find copies of the modified document here:
http://www.iridec.com.au/Kicad/KiCad_Tutorial_2011.pdf
http://www.iridec.com.au/Kicad/KiCad_Tutorial_2011.odt

Regards,
David

On 16/06/2011 7:20 AM, Georges Khaznadar wrote:

Hello David,

thank you for your fast response!

You probably have heard of the Debian guidelines about free software
(DFSG), they try to define most clearly the frontier between free and
non-free software.

In real life, things are not either black or white: black and white are
united by a continuous series of grey tones.

The desert island test is one of the touchstones we use to decide
whether something is free or non-free. Here is a simple version of this
test: please imagine that you live in a desert island, and that you got
the software X, possibly enclosed in a floating bottle. Then you examine
the software, and the license says that you must communicate with its
author to be authorized to use this software (for any usage which is
possible in the case of free software: running it, reading its source,
modifying it). If the license compells you to communicate with the
author, it is no more DFSG-free.

You license still contains one phrase which does not pass this test:

   If you're considering making a derived work other than a translation,
   it's requested that you discuss your plans with the current
   maintainer.

The words it's requested are compelling. Hence this tutorial falls
into the category of non-DFSG-free documents.

Please consider some rewording, for example:
s/it's requested that you/you are strongly encouraged to/

For how many people would the modified version of the licence change
their behavior? I believe that there are plenty of people who do not
take serously the licenses: those won't read your license, either in its
compelling form or in its milder form. However which such a rewording,
your license would definitely belong to the category of FDSG-free
documents.

Timo, Berndt, what is your mind about this?

Best regards,   Georges.


Kicad a écrit :

Hi,

I have deleted the offending line from the current version of the
document, which was updated this year. Does this resolve the issue?

You can find copies of the modified document here:
http://www.iridec.com.au/Kicad/KiCad_Tutorial_2011.pdf
http://www.iridec.com.au/Kicad/KiCad_Tutorial_2011.odt

Kind Regards,
David

On 15/06/2011 7:24 AM, Georges Khaznadar wrote:

Hi,

thank you for your fast reply Timo. Let us wait some time for David's
response.

Best regards,   Georges.

Timo Juhani Lindfors a écrit :

Hi,

Georges Khaznadargeorges.khazna...@free.fr   writes:

is it possible to have a single source package, giving two output packages
in different sections like main and non-free?

my idea is that it is not allowed,

this is not possible indeed since non-free stuff is not ok in the source
package either.


so I should withdraw the conflicting
file from kicad's source, to build a package kicad-X.XX+dfsg, and upload
a package kicad-tutorial to the NEW queue.

Sounds possible. I would rather see the license fixed though. I already
started updating the tutorial with screenshots from a more recent kicad
before I noticed the first page banner.

-Timo





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Bug#630453: the tutorial's license don't pass the free island test

2011-06-14 Thread Kicad

Hi,

I have deleted the offending line from the current version of the 
document, which was updated this year. Does this resolve the issue?


You can find copies of the modified document here:
http://www.iridec.com.au/Kicad/KiCad_Tutorial_2011.pdf
http://www.iridec.com.au/Kicad/KiCad_Tutorial_2011.odt

Kind Regards,
David

On 15/06/2011 7:24 AM, Georges Khaznadar wrote:

Hi,

thank you for your fast reply Timo. Let us wait some time for David's
response.

Best regards,   Georges.

Timo Juhani Lindfors a écrit :

Hi,

Georges Khaznadargeorges.khazna...@free.fr  writes:

is it possible to have a single source package, giving two output packages
in different sections like main and non-free?

my idea is that it is not allowed,

this is not possible indeed since non-free stuff is not ok in the source
package either.


so I should withdraw the conflicting
file from kicad's source, to build a package kicad-X.XX+dfsg, and upload
a package kicad-tutorial to the NEW queue.

Sounds possible. I would rather see the license fixed though. I already
started updating the tutorial with screenshots from a more recent kicad
before I noticed the first page banner.

-Timo





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