Bug#361846: [Pkg-openldap-devel] Bug#361846: non-free license for core.schema

2006-10-12 Thread Torsten Landschoff
Hi *, 

On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 11:29:51AM -0700, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote:
 If this file is a non-copyrightable interface definition, the bug here is
 the presence of a copyright notice and license statement where there
 should be none.
 
 ITS#4693 in the OpenLDAP ITS system.

In the logs for that issue, Kurt commented that OpenLDAP is not going to
change that as it is in line with their policy - to quote the license of 
the origin of everything. 

I do not feel that we (the Debian maintainers) should remove that
copyright notice, but I think it would be okay to clarify the relevance 
of that license. 

From the license of the RFC:

## others, and derivative works that comment on or otherwise explain it
## or assist in its implementation may be prepared, copied, published
## and distributed, in whole or in part, without restriction of any
## kind, provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph are
## included on all such copies and derivative works.  However, this

From that I read that we actually have to include that license.
Therefore I'd like to propose to add something along the lines of:


# The definitions in this file are derived from internet RFCs which 
# are made available by the Internet Society under the following 
# license:

## This document and translations of it may be copied and furnished to
## others, and derivative works that comment on or otherwise explain it


Which also is not as easy to follow as I'd like it to be. Other
suggestions, comments?

Greetings

Torsten


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Bug#361846: non-free license for core.schema

2006-10-02 Thread Steve Langasek
severity 361846 important
retitle 361846 invalid assertion of copyright on contents of core.schema
thanks

 Plus, this is an interface specification if I've ever seen one, and
 interface specifications are not copyrightable under US law.

I agree, but was hesitant to assert this without some corroboration.

If this file is a non-copyrightable interface definition, the bug here is
the presence of a copyright notice and license statement where there should
be none.

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Bug#361846: non-free license for core.schema

2006-04-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Package: openldap2.2
Severity: serious

The license for the file core.schema says:

## Portions Copyright (C) The Internet Society (1997-2003).
## All Rights Reserved.
##
## This document and translations of it may be copied and furnished to
## others, and derivative works that comment on or otherwise explain it
## or assist in its implementation may be prepared, copied, published
## and distributed, in whole or in part, without restriction of any
## kind, provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph are
## included on all such copies and derivative works.  However, this
## document itself may not be modified in any way, such as by removing
## the copyright notice or references to the Internet Society or other
## Internet organizations, except as needed for the purpose of
## developing Internet standards in which case the procedures for
## copyrights defined in the Internet Standards process must be
## followed, or as required to translate it into languages other than
## English.
##
## The limited permissions granted above are perpetual and will not be
## revoked by the Internet Society or its successors or assigns.
##
## This document and the information contained herein is provided on an
## AS IS basis and THE INTERNET SOCIETY AND THE INTERNET ENGINEERING
## TASK FORCE DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING
## BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY THAT THE USE OF THE INFORMATION
## HEREIN WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY RIGHTS OR ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
## MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

The ftpmasters have recently rejected a package that contains another
schema file with identical license text, and there was no obvious
opposition to that decision on Debian legal [0], so the current
understanding seems to be that this license is not free.

I don't necessarily agree with all that, but this bug can serve as an
incentive to getting this issue resolved.

[0]  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/04/threads.html


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Bug#361846: non-free license for core.schema

2006-04-10 Thread Noèl Köthe
Am Montag, den 10.04.2006, 19:39 +0200 schrieb Peter Eisentraut:

 The ftpmasters have recently rejected a package that contains another
 schema file with identical license text, and there was no obvious
 opposition to that decision on Debian legal [0], so the current
 understanding seems to be that this license is not free.

 [0]  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/04/threads.html

http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/04/msg00051.html ff.

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Bug#361846: non-free license for core.schema

2006-04-10 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 08:16:46PM +0200, Noèl Köthe wrote:
  The ftpmasters have recently rejected a package that contains another
  schema file with identical license text, and there was no obvious
  opposition to that decision on Debian legal [0], so the current
  understanding seems to be that this license is not free.
 
  [0]  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/04/threads.html
 
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/04/msg00051.html ff.

That whole discussion is silly. I am not a lawyer but I for me it looks 
like you are not allowed to modify the RFC document which is fine in
this context. It's just that we use the schema documented in the RFC. 

Greetings

Torsten


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Bug#361846: non-free license for core.schema

2006-04-10 Thread Noèl Köthe
Am Montag, den 10.04.2006, 21:19 +0200 schrieb Torsten Landschoff:

   The ftpmasters have recently rejected a package that contains another
   schema file with identical license text, and there was no obvious
   opposition to that decision on Debian legal [0], so the current
   understanding seems to be that this license is not free.
  
   [0]  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/04/threads.html
  
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/04/msg00051.html ff.
 
 That whole discussion is silly. I am not a lawyer but I for me it looks 
 like you are not allowed to modify the RFC document which is fine in
 this context. It's just that we use the schema documented in the RFC. 

We tried to clarify this point on debian-legal without success.
The same license was rejected by ftp-master so there is something wrong
which we want to document.

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Bug#361846: non-free license for core.schema

2006-04-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 09:19:31PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 08:16:46PM +0200, Noèl Köthe wrote:
   The ftpmasters have recently rejected a package that contains another
   schema file with identical license text, and there was no obvious
   opposition to that decision on Debian legal [0], so the current
   understanding seems to be that this license is not free.

   [0]  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/04/threads.html

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/04/msg00051.html ff.

 That whole discussion is silly. I am not a lawyer but I for me it looks 
 like you are not allowed to modify the RFC document which is fine in
 this context. It's just that we use the schema documented in the RFC. 

Which means we should be shipping a functional schema, but not the
copyrighted RFC.

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