Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Kurt Roeckx wrote: I had some problems with mail getting to me. Things are now slowly being processed. I can't really follow everything that's happened with this. Ahh, OK, thanks for clarifying this. cdd-dev would get a Depends on apt. I'm perfectly happy with that. I would consider that part of the bug to be serious. It's just downloading Packages files, while I thought it was actually downloading .deb's file. I clearly didn't properly read the build log. I don't have a problem with this part anymore. But I would like to suggest you use whatever is currently on the system (in /var/lib/apt/lists/). I don't see why you need to download it again. Well, it is not necessarily the Packages file of the system you are using to build the package. For instance if you are building in pbuilder you have proably the list of packages in unstable. If you want to have the control file builded to add only Recommends to packages that are available in testing (which makes perfectly sense and is used in this way) - you need to download a packages file from testing. I think someone also cloned it to say it doesn't work if there is no network. That's probably a bug in cdd-dev then, and would also be serious. OK. You need network to download something - but I partly agree with you that this is not really a good solution. I worked over last weekend on the issue you raised and found a solution that solves this problem in so far, that the information we need is stored in the debian-edu package source before the package is builded and there will be no need for download any more. The current solution has the side effect that we might produce architecture any packages that Recommend packages which are avialbale in i386. This will most probably lead to bugs package recommends packages not available for this architecture sooner or later. In case it will be later I have a longer term plan how to fix this. In case it is sooner we have to live with these not so serious bug to fix the serious one reportet by you. I have a problem with package that leave things behind after they've been removed and purged, or have build something. But I can't say that this is considered to be RC. OK. This problem will automatically vanish anyway. Using the Packages file from the system would also solve that problem. It would not have solved this but that's no matter any more. Thanks for your input Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 04:21:17PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: Petter and me tried to clarify this also as a feature and not a bug. So I would regard this point as void and would like to close the bug. If you don't think so please speak up now. It doesnt seem to work, according to the original bug report... Well, the original reporter raised three different points in his bug report (filed three times :-() and I wonder which point he regards as grave and especially why. If the reporter does not answer questistions about his report I would downgrade and set moreinfo tag at least. I had some problems with mail getting to me. Things are now slowly being processed. I can't really follow everything that's happened with this. From what I understand so far: cdd-dev would get a Depends on apt. I'm perfectly happy with that. I would consider that part of the bug to be serious. It's just downloading Packages files, while I thought it was actually downloading .deb's file. I clearly didn't properly read the build log. I don't have a problem with this part anymore. But I would like to suggest you use whatever is currently on the system (in /var/lib/apt/lists/). I don't see why you need to download it again. I think someone also cloned it to say it doesn't work if there is no network. That's probably a bug in cdd-dev then, and would also be serious. I have a problem with package that leave things behind after they've been removed and purged, or have build something. But I can't say that this is considered to be RC. Using the Packages file from the system would also solve that problem. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: clone 467650 -1 Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself. Bug 467650 cloned as bug 468345. clone 467650 -2 Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself. Bug 467650 cloned as bug 468346. retitle 467650 missing build-dependency on apt Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself. Changed Bug title to `missing build-dependency on apt' from `debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.'. retitle -1 network check broken, fails to build without network Bug#468345: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself. Changed Bug title to `network check broken, fails to build without network' from `debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.'. retitle -2 doesnt clean up properly after build Bug#468346: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself. Changed Bug title to `doesnt clean up properly after build' from `debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.'. severity -1 important Bug#468345: network check broken, fails to build without network Severity set to `important' from `grave' severity -2 normal Bug#468346: doesnt clean up properly after build Severity set to `normal' from `grave' reassign -2 cdd-dev Bug#468346: doesnt clean up properly after build Bug reassigned from package `debian-edu' to `cdd-dev'. thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Kurt Roeckx] It seems that apt downloads things from a debian mirror and puts it in ../tmp. Yes. It is part of the purpose of the package. So I would not regard this as bug but a feature, right. There are a few problems with this: - It's missing a build dependency on apt, which isn't part of essential + build essential. Good point. Need to be fixed. I added the following changelog to cdd package: * Add Depends: apt-get to cdd-dev package Closes: #467650 I would like to reassign this bug to cdd-dev package and close it with an upload. Kurt, does this fit your point of view of the problem? - Since you download things, the sources aren't available for it, so I don't see how you comply with the DFSG. (Or I have no idea why you download things.) Petter and me tried to clarify this also as a feature and not a bug. So I would regard this point as void and would like to close the bug. If you don't think so please speak up now. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#467650: Processed: Re: Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
Uhmm, Kurt could you please do us a favour and do not file the same bug three times and instead respond to the requests for clarification? As I said in my last comment to #467650 I would like to reassign the problem to cdd-dev and close the bug by with the apt-get dependency. If you don't agree please add some more detailed explanation what exactly your problem is. Kind regards Andreas. On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: clone 467650 -1 Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself. Bug 467650 cloned as bug 468345. clone 467650 -2 Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself. Bug 467650 cloned as bug 468346. retitle 467650 missing build-dependency on apt Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself. Changed Bug title to `missing build-dependency on apt' from `debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.'. retitle -1 network check broken, fails to build without network Bug#468345: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself. Changed Bug title to `network check broken, fails to build without network' from `debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.'. retitle -2 doesnt clean up properly after build Bug#468346: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself. Changed Bug title to `doesnt clean up properly after build' from `debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.'. severity -1 important Bug#468345: network check broken, fails to build without network Severity set to `important' from `grave' severity -2 normal Bug#468346: doesnt clean up properly after build Severity set to `normal' from `grave' reassign -2 cdd-dev Bug#468346: doesnt clean up properly after build Bug reassigned from package `debian-edu' to `cdd-dev'. thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#467650: Processed: Re: Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
Hi Andreas, On Thursday 28 February 2008 14:54, Andreas Tille wrote: Uhmm, Kurt could you please do us a favour... I cloned the bug, Kurt didnt do it :) As I said in my last comment to #467650 I would like to reassign the problem to cdd-dev and close the bug by with the apt-get dependency. If you don't agree please add some more detailed explanation what exactly your problem is. As I read the bug report, there were three issues. As some were easier to fix than others, I decided to clone the bug to reflect this. Otherwise I feared the most critical issue would be fixed and the rest forgotten (as its a pretty easy thing to add a build-depends :) And as easy as it is to clone bug, it's easy to close them :-) regards, Holger pgpZYQRY4N6na.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Holger Levsen wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2008 14:46, Andreas Tille wrote: I would like to reassign this bug to cdd-dev package and close it with an upload. You dont _have to_ reassign to close the bug with an upload :-) Hmmm, once I tried without reassigning and got a message that I would try to close bug that belongs to a different package which is not possible. I would regard this as a reasonable measure to prevent closing bugs unintentionally because of typos. Did this changed in the last time? Petter and me tried to clarify this also as a feature and not a bug. So I would regard this point as void and would like to close the bug. If you don't think so please speak up now. It doesnt seem to work, according to the original bug report... Well, the original reporter raised three different points in his bug report (filed three times :-() and I wonder which point he regards as grave and especially why. If the reporter does not answer questistions about his report I would downgrade and set moreinfo tag at least. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#467650: Processed: Re: Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Holger Levsen wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2008 14:54, Andreas Tille wrote: Uhmm, Kurt could you please do us a favour... I cloned the bug, Kurt didnt do it :) Ahhh, sorry Kurt. Blame my ignorance for bothering you for this thing. ;-) As I read the bug report, there were three issues. As some were easier to fix than others, I decided to clone the bug to reflect this. Otherwise I feared the most critical issue would be fixed and the rest forgotten (as its a pretty easy thing to add a build-depends :) And as easy as it is to clone bug, it's easy to close them :-) Well, #467650 should be against cdd-dev and it is in fact fixed on my local hard-disk. If cdd-dev depends from apt-get this problem is very easy to solve. Also #468346 would be very easy to solve - we would just loose a feature which is seldomly used. The third bug #468345 is the hard part. I would see a solution but I wonder whether it is _really_ a bug. The solution would be to sync Packages.gz files into our SVN and just provide a copy of the Packages.gz files at build time inside the debian-edu source tarball - or at least a stripped down version. I gained some experience to read out Packages files when building the tasks web pages and thus I see a chance to strip down Packages.gz to the essence we need. Hmmm, thinking twice about it we could perhaps do even better and do not create the debian/control file at package building time but do this when building the debian-edu source tarball. I have to sleep about this. So there are chances to fix this - but I'm not convinced that this is a real bug. I'm keen on hearing comments from Kurt. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#468347: Processed: Re: Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
Hi, On Thursday 28 February 2008 16:34, Andreas Tille wrote: Well, #467650 should be against cdd-dev and it is in fact fixed on my local hard-disk. If cdd-dev depends from apt-get this problem is very easy to solve. Cheers. Also #468346 would be very easy to solve - we would just loose a feature which is seldomly used. You need to be able to build without network. Otherwise the source package doesnt contain all the sources needed to build the binary - DFSG violation. Hmmm, thinking twice about it we could perhaps do even better and do not create the debian/control file at package building time but do this when building the debian-edu source tarball. I have to sleep about this. So there are chances to fix this - but I'm not convinced that this is a real bug. I'm keen on hearing comments from Kurt. Sounds good to me. Sleep well :) regards, Holger pgpT7WFJEuyDh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:46:59PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: There are a few problems with this: - It's missing a build dependency on apt, which isn't part of essential + build essential. Good point. Need to be fixed. Yes it should. IMHO the simplest solution would be to make cdd-dev dependant from apt. On the other hand - why isn't apt not part of essential? Because it's not. What is part of essential is dpkg. - Since you download things, the sources aren't available for it, so I don't see how you comply with the DFSG. (Or I have no idea why you download things.) The package check if there is net, and if there is net it download the list of packages available from the debian repository of choice and uses this information to filter the priority of the list of wanted packages to generate tasksel tasks and meta packages (packages with only dependencies). As the list of available packages differ over time, as well as differ from architecture to architecture, the generated package lists are supposed to reflect this. It is the purpose of this package. I fail to see the actual conflict with DSFG. Kurt, could you please specify the point you have in mind that conflicts? I hope this is not the point why you tagged the bug grave because I do not see a good chance to change this. From that description I have to wonder why you need to download all those .deb files. Can't you do the same thing with just the Packages file? Since it doesn't actually seem to be doing much with the .deb's it downloads, I don't see a problem anymore. - Since it's not put in the build dir, it doesn't get cleaned up. This should be fixed too. Well, if we would fix it we will have to refuse the option to profit from this cache if you work offline. This is no big loss, but putting it outside the build dir was intended for exactly the purpose to have it not cleaned up. I admit that it is not really a clean solution. We might think about reading an environment variable, say OFFLINE=yes and keep the cache if this is set, while removeing it otherwise. This should be done in cdd-dev package. Putting it in some arbitrary path isn't very useful. If all packages start to write to ../tmp and store something there, sooner or later things will break. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On the other hand - why isn't apt not part of essential? Because it's not. What is part of essential is dpkg. Well, I'm aware of the current state - I just was wondering whether apt should not become a part of essential. This is just a question which is not at all related to your bug report. From that description I have to wonder why you need to download all those .deb files. Can't you do the same thing with just the Packages file? There are no packages downloaded at all. Only packages files are parsed for the availablity of packages in a certain distribution. Putting it in some arbitrary path isn't very useful. If all packages start to write to ../tmp and store something there, sooner or later things will break. Well, I doubt that so many packages have good reasons to do so. I would not really call it a clean solution but fail to see the danger of breaking anything serious. On the other hand if we follow my plan for building the control file I posted in the last mail the problem will vanish at the build machine because the temporary directory (if needed) will stay on the machine where the source package is assembled. So the build machine stays clean. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
Package: debian-edu Version: 0.826 Severity: grave Hi, It seems that apt downloads things from a debian mirror and puts it in ../tmp. There are a few problems with this: - It's missing a build dependency on apt, which isn't part of essential + build essential. - Since you download things, the sources aren't available for it, so I don't see how you comply with the DFSG. (Or I have no idea why you download things.) - Since it's not put in the build dir, it doesn't get cleaned up. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
[Kurt Roeckx] It seems that apt downloads things from a debian mirror and puts it in ../tmp. Yes. It is part of the purpose of the package. There are a few problems with this: - It's missing a build dependency on apt, which isn't part of essential + build essential. Good point. Need to be fixed. - Since you download things, the sources aren't available for it, so I don't see how you comply with the DFSG. (Or I have no idea why you download things.) The package check if there is net, and if there is net it download the list of packages available from the debian repository of choice and uses this information to filter the priority of the list of wanted packages to generate tasksel tasks and meta packages (packages with only dependencies). As the list of available packages differ over time, as well as differ from architecture to architecture, the generated package lists are supposed to reflect this. It is the purpose of this package. If there is no net, it uses the package lists it generated the last time it was built. At least that is the intention. Not sure if it has been tested the last few years. :) - Since it's not put in the build dir, it doesn't get cleaned up. This should be fixed too. Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#467650: debian-edu: Downloads things, does not clean up after itself.
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: There are a few problems with this: - It's missing a build dependency on apt, which isn't part of essential + build essential. Good point. Need to be fixed. Yes it should. IMHO the simplest solution would be to make cdd-dev dependant from apt. On the other hand - why isn't apt not part of essential? - Since you download things, the sources aren't available for it, so I don't see how you comply with the DFSG. (Or I have no idea why you download things.) The package check if there is net, and if there is net it download the list of packages available from the debian repository of choice and uses this information to filter the priority of the list of wanted packages to generate tasksel tasks and meta packages (packages with only dependencies). As the list of available packages differ over time, as well as differ from architecture to architecture, the generated package lists are supposed to reflect this. It is the purpose of this package. I fail to see the actual conflict with DSFG. Kurt, could you please specify the point you have in mind that conflicts? I hope this is not the point why you tagged the bug grave because I do not see a good chance to change this. - Since it's not put in the build dir, it doesn't get cleaned up. This should be fixed too. Well, if we would fix it we will have to refuse the option to profit from this cache if you work offline. This is no big loss, but putting it outside the build dir was intended for exactly the purpose to have it not cleaned up. I admit that it is not really a clean solution. We might think about reading an environment variable, say OFFLINE=yes and keep the cache if this is set, while removeing it otherwise. This should be done in cdd-dev package. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
