Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
On 22-02-14 00:55, Jude DaShiell wrote: Not entirely sure, what's my best bet for installing a readline package that is likely to work? As long as I don't know what exactly it is supposed to be doing, I don't know. Seems like readline is provided as library by libreadline6, but maybe in your case you need libreadline5? Hard to tell really, as long as we are not down to the real problem. On my system, both are installed. Paul signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
Not entirely sure, what's my best bet for installing a readline package that is likely to work? On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Paul Gevers wrote: On 26-01-14 19:28, Geoff Shang wrote: It seems to happen when working in more primitive environments with no readline. Triggered by the mail of Jude, do you confirm that installing readline prevents this bug from happening? Than indeed adding that as a dependency would solve your issue. Paul jude jdash...@shellworld.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
If that missing dependency is undocumented and also not an mandatory automatic install with another package that needs a fix or two. If anyone can test this on a machine with an ensonicq (I think 1370) sound card if this bug can't be reproduced, pulseaudio is at least participating and may be doing more than that. Intel sound cards and pulseaudio don't get along well and until I learned that, I couldn't figure out how pulseaudio routinely failed yet speakup came up working. The amd64k machine I have unfortunately has one of the intel junk cards. On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Paul Gevers wrote: On 02-02-14 11:29, Geoff Shang wrote: IMHO, tryign to work around the bug isn't the right approach. A bug that will crash the entire system hard needs to be treated as a bug that needs to be fixed. I agree with you. But a missing dependency can also very well be a bug, so I wasn't trying to work around the bug. But indeed, bringing a system completely to a halt does hardly look like a missing dependency issue. Paul jude jdash...@shellworld.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
On 26-01-14 19:28, Geoff Shang wrote: It seems to happen when working in more primitive environments with no readline. Triggered by the mail of Jude, do you confirm that installing readline prevents this bug from happening? Than indeed adding that as a dependency would solve your issue. Paul signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
On 01-02-14 22:12, Jude DaShiell wrote: I understand this bug existed not much prior to the present kernel version from what I read on the spea...@linux-speakup.org mailing list so this bug was carried into this kernel version from at least one earlier version. Do you have an URL or message-id to the discussion that you mean? Does this now agree or disagree with my hypothesis? Paul signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Paul Gevers wrote: On 26-01-14 19:28, Geoff Shang wrote: It seems to happen when working in more primitive environments with no readline. Triggered by the mail of Jude, do you confirm that installing readline prevents this bug from happening? Than indeed adding that as a dependency would solve your issue. No it doesn't. Just because readline is installed, it doesn't mean that everything you run wil use it. Apart from my `cat` example which crashes reliably even with readline6 installed, there are commands which don't use readline (e.g. at) where I believe it will occur. right now I'm not in a position to test it. IMHO, tryign to work around the bug isn't the right approach. A bug that will crash the entire system hard needs to be treated as a bug that needs to be fixed. Geoff. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
On 02-02-14 11:29, Geoff Shang wrote: IMHO, tryign to work around the bug isn't the right approach. A bug that will crash the entire system hard needs to be treated as a bug that needs to be fixed. I agree with you. But a missing dependency can also very well be a bug, so I wasn't trying to work around the bug. But indeed, bringing a system completely to a halt does hardly look like a missing dependency issue. Paul signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
This disagrees with your hypothesis I'll look for a msgid I may not have archived that issue of the digest. Squeeze and wheezy were mentioned in that message and I've been running Jessie/sid for quite a while. The motherboard I have in this amd athelon k8 is a southbridge model not a more recent northbridge model, I only know this since the builder of this computer comes over and cleans it out with compressed air every so often and he checked out the hardware in it for me. On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Paul Gevers wrote: On 01-02-14 22:12, Jude DaShiell wrote: I understand this bug existed not much prior to the present kernel version from what I read on the spea...@linux-speakup.org mailing list so this bug was carried into this kernel version from at least one earlier version. Do you have an URL or message-id to the discussion that you mean? Does this now agree or disagree with my hypothesis? Paul jude jdash...@shellworld.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
I haven't got a msgid for that message. On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Paul Gevers wrote: On 01-02-14 22:12, Jude DaShiell wrote: I understand this bug existed not much prior to the present kernel version from what I read on the spea...@linux-speakup.org mailing list so this bug was carried into this kernel version from at least one earlier version. Do you have an URL or message-id to the discussion that you mean? Does this now agree or disagree with my hypothesis? Paul jude jdash...@shellworld.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#735202: Info received (Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian)
I tried rlfe package and ledit package to get readline functionality into the bash shell and neither package had any positive effect on this bug situation. I don't know if a missing readline in a bash shell is causing this to happen or not but if so, neither of these packages will do the job by themselves. On Sun, 2 Feb 2014, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this Bug report. This is an automatically generated reply to let you know your message has been received. Your message is being forwarded to the package maintainers and other interested parties for their attention; they will reply in due course. Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): Debian Accessibility Team debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org If you wish to submit further information on this problem, please send it to 735...@bugs.debian.org. Please do not send mail to ow...@bugs.debian.org unless you wish to report a problem with the Bug-tracking system. jude jdash...@shellworld.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
I understand this bug existed not much prior to the present kernel version from what I read on the spea...@linux-speakup.org mailing list so this bug was carried into this kernel version from at least one earlier version. On Sat, 25 Jan 2014, Paul Gevers wrote: On 24-01-14 22:24, Jude DaShiell wrote: jude@d-216-36-20-9:~$ uname -a Linux d-216-36-20-9 3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2 (2013-12-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux I am fully guessing here, but my hypothesis is that the bug is caused by the new kernel version scheme, which dropped the patch version, ie. 3.12 i.s.o 3.12.0. I don't know where this would come into play though. Paul jude jdash...@shellworld.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
If I run cpanp on this amd64 Athelon k8 machine, I hear readline is enabled. If some other readline package or packages need installing so bash uses readline automatically and those packages aren't on this machine and working I think those packages need to be made speakup dependencies for future versions of speakup. On Sun, 26 Jan 2014, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, this may not be the same bug, but there has been a long-standing Speakup bug that locks up the machine. I've seen it as early as Squeeze but it may have been there earlier (I don't remember). Whether or not it crashes seems to depend on your environment at the time. Pasting to a regular bash prompt and into most applications works just fine. It seems to happen when working in more primitive environments with no readline. Here's a sure-fire way to reproduce it: 1. cut anything to the clipboard. 2. Run the command: cat This should open stdin for input. 3. Paste. 4. Crash! AFAIK, this locks the kernel and only a power cycle will fix it. As noted previously, this only affects local sessions - even running an ssh to localhost and doing the above will not reproduce it. I've observed on several machines running both Squeeze and Wheezy. Geoff. jude jdash...@shellworld.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
On 24-01-14 22:24, Jude DaShiell wrote: jude@d-216-36-20-9:~$ uname -a Linux d-216-36-20-9 3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2 (2013-12-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux I am fully guessing here, but my hypothesis is that the bug is caused by the new kernel version scheme, which dropped the patch version, ie. 3.12 i.s.o 3.12.0. I don't know where this would come into play though. Paul signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
Hi, this may not be the same bug, but there has been a long-standing Speakup bug that locks up the machine. I've seen it as early as Squeeze but it may have been there earlier (I don't remember). Whether or not it crashes seems to depend on your environment at the time. Pasting to a regular bash prompt and into most applications works just fine. It seems to happen when working in more primitive environments with no readline. Here's a sure-fire way to reproduce it: 1. cut anything to the clipboard. 2. Run the command: cat This should open stdin for input. 3. Paste. 4. Crash! AFAIK, this locks the kernel and only a power cycle will fix it. As noted previously, this only affects local sessions - even running an ssh to localhost and doing the above will not reproduce it. I've observed on several machines running both Squeeze and Wheezy. Geoff. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
Hi Jude I think your issue is recorded in bug 735202 [1]. Could you verify the kernel number for me by running uname -a Paul [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735202 For the record, this mail was sent to debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2014/01/msg00107.html On 24-01-14 11:05, Jude DaShiell wrote: I am running debian_version: jessie/sid on an amd64 athelon k8 machine and using speakup and speakup_soft for speech. I would have used reportbug to report this problem however after running dpkg-reconfig --priority=low exim4-config and answering all of the questions to get exim4 set up some problem exists that prevents this machine from sending email. If I don't have text in the speakup clipboard as a result of any operation and hit the speakup paste key combination, sometimes that crashes debian and someimes speakup says paste. Whenever I have text in the speakup clipboard as a result of a speakup mark operation followed by a speakup cut operation and then I hit the speakup paste operation combination of keys debian crashes. A debian crash consists of loosing speakup and this also renders all keyboard command combinations useless. The only way I get control restored is to power off the computer with an emergency power down with the power button on the computer then reboot the machine. I have this debian installation up to date and one of those updates was a speakup update in a kernel that got distributed that caused this problem. Between the time this installation had been done originally and now, speakup must have been updated at least once since it didn't do this with a paste operation just after original installation. Those on the linux-speakup list think I'm running wheezy which has this problem when it has it because its version of speakup in the kernel is not up to date, but this is not the case. I don't know if jessie/sid shares that same status as does wheezy. jude jdash...@shellworld.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
Script started on Fri 24 Jan 2014 04:35:50 PM EST jude@d-216-36-20-9:~$ uname -a Linux d-216-36-20-9 3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2 (2013-12-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux jude@d-216-36-20-9:~$ exit Script done on Fri 24 Jan 2014 04:36:11 PM EST On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Paul Gevers wrote: Hi Jude I think your issue is recorded in bug 735202 [1]. Could you verify the kernel number for me by running uname -a Paul [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735202 For the record, this mail was sent to debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2014/01/msg00107.html On 24-01-14 11:05, Jude DaShiell wrote: I am running debian_version: jessie/sid on an amd64 athelon k8 machine and using speakup and speakup_soft for speech. I would have used reportbug to report this problem however after running dpkg-reconfig --priority=low exim4-config and answering all of the questions to get exim4 set up some problem exists that prevents this machine from sending email. If I don't have text in the speakup clipboard as a result of any operation and hit the speakup paste key combination, sometimes that crashes debian and someimes speakup says paste. Whenever I have text in the speakup clipboard as a result of a speakup mark operation followed by a speakup cut operation and then I hit the speakup paste operation combination of keys debian crashes. A debian crash consists of loosing speakup and this also renders all keyboard command combinations useless. The only way I get control restored is to power off the computer with an emergency power down with the power button on the computer then reboot the machine. I have this debian installation up to date and one of those updates was a speakup update in a kernel that got distributed that caused this problem. Between the time this installation had been done originally and now, speakup must have been updated at least once since it didn't do this with a paste operation just after original installation. Those on the linux-speakup list think I'm running wheezy which has this problem when it has it because its version of speakup in the kernel is not up to date, but this is not the case. I don't know if jessie/sid shares that same status as does wheezy. jude jdash...@shellworld.net jude jdash...@shellworld.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#735202: speakup crashes debian
Hi, I sent you a typescript file with the command and its output as you requested earlier today. On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Paul Gevers wrote: Hi Jude I think your issue is recorded in bug 735202 [1]. Could you verify the kernel number for me by running uname -a Paul [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735202 For the record, this mail was sent to debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2014/01/msg00107.html On 24-01-14 11:05, Jude DaShiell wrote: I am running debian_version: jessie/sid on an amd64 athelon k8 machine and using speakup and speakup_soft for speech. I would have used reportbug to report this problem however after running dpkg-reconfig --priority=low exim4-config and answering all of the questions to get exim4 set up some problem exists that prevents this machine from sending email. If I don't have text in the speakup clipboard as a result of any operation and hit the speakup paste key combination, sometimes that crashes debian and someimes speakup says paste. Whenever I have text in the speakup clipboard as a result of a speakup mark operation followed by a speakup cut operation and then I hit the speakup paste operation combination of keys debian crashes. A debian crash consists of loosing speakup and this also renders all keyboard command combinations useless. The only way I get control restored is to power off the computer with an emergency power down with the power button on the computer then reboot the machine. I have this debian installation up to date and one of those updates was a speakup update in a kernel that got distributed that caused this problem. Between the time this installation had been done originally and now, speakup must have been updated at least once since it didn't do this with a paste operation just after original installation. Those on the linux-speakup list think I'm running wheezy which has this problem when it has it because its version of speakup in the kernel is not up to date, but this is not the case. I don't know if jessie/sid shares that same status as does wheezy. jude jdash...@shellworld.net jude jdash...@shellworld.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
