Bug#892738: consolekit: consolekit removal causes a regression

[Michael Biebl]

On Sat,  7 Apr 2018 12:13:03 +0200 (CEST) har...@a-little-linux-box.at
wrote:
> Dear Robert, Steve and Michael,
> 
> how do you think about adding https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2 to 
> the archive as a maintained alternative to consolekit?

Looking into packaging elogind might be a more promising approach.

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Bug#892738: consolekit: consolekit removal causes a regression

[harald]

Dear Robert, Steve and Michael,

how do you think about adding https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2 to the 
archive as a maintained alternative to consolekit?

Kind regards
Harald Jenny

Bug#892738: consolekit: consolekit removal causes a regression

[Michael Biebl]

Am 18.03.2018 um 01:03 schrieb Michael Biebl:
> Am 17.03.2018 um 18:33 schrieb Benedikt Spranger:
>> On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 03:02:19 +0100
>> Michael Biebl  wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 12:51:35 +0100 Benedikt Spranger
>>>  wrote:
 Package: consolekit
 Version: 0.4.6-6
 Severity: serious

 Dear Maintainer,

 please readd consolekit to the archive. Without consolekit the
 dependency to libpam-systemd as alternative to consolekit forces me
 to install systemd without any further benefit.

 Since my systems works fine before (and till now, since consolekit
 0.4.6-6 is installed) the removal of consolekit from the archive
 causes a regression. As my understanding of init system
 dependencies this is a serious bug, since it forces a dependency to
 a special system init system without any need.   
>>>
>>> This is incorrect. The removal of consolekit does not enforce a switch
>>> to a different init system. You are probably mistaking systemd with
>>> systemd-sysv. Please read the package descriptions carefully.
>>
>> Please read the bug report carefully. I do not claim it forces me to
>> use, it forces me to *install* systemd due to libpam-systemd as
>> alternative to consolekit. So it forces me to *install* a different
>> init system:
> 
> You said, it "forces a dependency to a special init system".
> And this is simply wrong.
> You are mixing up systemd as init system with systemd-logind here.
> systemd-logind is a maintained alternative to consolekit.
> consolekit is dead upstream, unmaintained and has many design flaws.
> That it breaks certain setups like in #92 was just the last straw
> that broke the camels back.
> 
> Keep in mind, I'm the former maintainer of consolekit, so I very much
> know about its shortcomings.

This was the last commit ever done to consolekit upstream
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/ConsoleKit/commit/?id=af75e100dc4d4fac2e1633aa134e40e390d38918
(2013)

It's been dormant for much longer before that. Active maintenance stop
much earlier, around 2011.


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Bug#892738: consolekit: consolekit removal causes a regression

[Michael Biebl]

Am 17.03.2018 um 18:33 schrieb Benedikt Spranger:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 03:02:19 +0100
> Michael Biebl  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 12:51:35 +0100 Benedikt Spranger
>>  wrote:
>>> Package: consolekit
>>> Version: 0.4.6-6
>>> Severity: serious
>>>
>>> Dear Maintainer,
>>>
>>> please readd consolekit to the archive. Without consolekit the
>>> dependency to libpam-systemd as alternative to consolekit forces me
>>> to install systemd without any further benefit.
>>>
>>> Since my systems works fine before (and till now, since consolekit
>>> 0.4.6-6 is installed) the removal of consolekit from the archive
>>> causes a regression. As my understanding of init system
>>> dependencies this is a serious bug, since it forces a dependency to
>>> a special system init system without any need.   
>>
>> This is incorrect. The removal of consolekit does not enforce a switch
>> to a different init system. You are probably mistaking systemd with
>> systemd-sysv. Please read the package descriptions carefully.
> 
> Please read the bug report carefully. I do not claim it forces me to
> use, it forces me to *install* systemd due to libpam-systemd as
> alternative to consolekit. So it forces me to *install* a different
> init system:

You said, it "forces a dependency to a special init system".
And this is simply wrong.
You are mixing up systemd as init system with systemd-logind here.
systemd-logind is a maintained alternative to consolekit.
consolekit is dead upstream, unmaintained and has many design flaws.
That it breaks certain setups like in #92 was just the last straw
that broke the camels back.

Keep in mind, I'm the former maintainer of consolekit, so I very much
know about its shortcomings.

Hope that clarifies.

Michael


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Bug#892738: consolekit: consolekit removal causes a regression

[Benedikt Spranger]

On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 03:02:19 +0100
Michael Biebl  wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 12:51:35 +0100 Benedikt Spranger
>  wrote:
> > Package: consolekit
> > Version: 0.4.6-6
> > Severity: serious
> > 
> > Dear Maintainer,
> > 
> > please readd consolekit to the archive. Without consolekit the
> > dependency to libpam-systemd as alternative to consolekit forces me
> > to install systemd without any further benefit.
> > 
> > Since my systems works fine before (and till now, since consolekit
> > 0.4.6-6 is installed) the removal of consolekit from the archive
> > causes a regression. As my understanding of init system
> > dependencies this is a serious bug, since it forces a dependency to
> > a special system init system without any need.   
> 
> This is incorrect. The removal of consolekit does not enforce a switch
> to a different init system. You are probably mistaking systemd with
> systemd-sysv. Please read the package descriptions carefully.

Please read the bug report carefully. I do not claim it forces me to
use, it forces me to *install* systemd due to libpam-systemd as
alternative to consolekit. So it forces me to *install* a different
init system:

$ LANG=C apt-cache depends libpam-systemd
libpam-systemd
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libpam0g
  Depends: systemd
systemd:arm64
systemd:i386
  Depends: libpam-runtime
  Depends: dbus
dbus:arm64
dbus:i386
 |Depends: systemd-shim
  Depends: systemd-sysv
systemd-sysv:arm64
systemd-sysv:i386

Therefore it force me to install systemd directly or through the
systemd-sysv dependency. There was *NO* need to install systemd on my
system before:
$ LANG=C dpkg -l "systemd*"
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|
Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   Version  Architecture Description
+++-==---=
un  systemd  (no description available)
un  systemd-sysv (no description available)

As I stated before:
"Without consolekit the dependency to libpam-systemd as alternative to
consolekit forces me to install systemd without any further benefit."

As on request I reread the Bug report that causes the consolekit
removal:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=92

My quick summery:
Device did not work with consolekit, but libpam-systemd.
Solution: remove consolekit.
Briliant!

BTW: yubikey works fine here.

Regards
Bene


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Bug#892738: consolekit: consolekit removal causes a regression

[Michael Biebl]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 12:51:35 +0100 Benedikt Spranger
 wrote:
> Package: consolekit
> Version: 0.4.6-6
> Severity: serious
> 
> Dear Maintainer,
> 
> please readd consolekit to the archive. Without consolekit the
> dependency to libpam-systemd as alternative to consolekit forces me to
> install systemd without any further benefit.
> 
> Since my systems works fine before (and till now, since consolekit
> 0.4.6-6 is installed) the removal of consolekit from the archive causes
> a regression. As my understanding of init system dependencies this is a
> serious bug, since it forces a dependency to a special system init
> system without any need. 

This is incorrect. The removal of consolekit does not enforce a switch
to a different init system. You are probably mistaking systemd with
systemd-sysv. Please read the package descriptions carefully.

So please readd consolekit to the archive.

Since this bug report is based on a false premise, I'm closing it.
Please read why consolekit was removed from Linux-architectures in the
first place.



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> notfound 892738 0.4.6-6
Bug #892738 [consolekit] consolekit: consolekit removal causes a regression
No longer marked as found in versions consolekit/0.4.6-6.
> found 892738 0.4.6-6.1
Bug #892738 [consolekit] consolekit: consolekit removal causes a regression
Marked as found in versions consolekit/0.4.6-6.1.
> thanks
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Bug#892738: consolekit: consolekit removal causes a regression

[Benedikt Spranger]

notfound 892738 0.4.6-6
found 892738 0.4.6-6.1

thanks

Dear Maintainer,

correct the complained version from 0.4.6-6 to 0.4.6-6.1, since 0.4.6-6
is OK, and due to https://tracker.debian.org/news/928882 add the NMU
uploader to CC.

Sincerly yours
Bene

Bug#892738: consolekit: consolekit removal causes a regression

[Benedikt Spranger]

Package: consolekit
Version: 0.4.6-6
Severity: serious

Dear Maintainer,

please readd consolekit to the archive. Without consolekit the
dependency to libpam-systemd as alternative to consolekit forces me to
install systemd without any further benefit.

Since my systems works fine before (and till now, since consolekit
0.4.6-6 is installed) the removal of consolekit from the archive causes
a regression. As my understanding of init system dependencies this is a
serious bug, since it forces a dependency to a special system init
system without any need. So please readd consolekit to the archive.

Sincerly yours
Bene

-- System Information:
Debian Release: buster/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386, arm64

Kernel: Linux 4.15.0-1-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE=de_DE.\
UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: sysvinit (via /sbin/init)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Versions of packages consolekit depends on:
ii  dbus   1.12.6-2
ii  libacl12.2.52-3+b1
ii  libc6  2.27-1
ii  libck-connector0   0.4.6-6
ii  libdbus-1-31.12.6-2
ii  libdbus-glib-1-2   0.110-2
ii  libglib2.0-0   2.54.3-2
ii  libpolkit-gobject-1-0  0.105-18
ii  libudev1   237-4
ii  libx11-6   2:1.6.4-3
ii  zlib1g 1:1.2.8.dfsg-5

Versions of packages consolekit recommends:
pn  libpam-ck-connector  

consolekit suggests no packages.

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