Bug#507706: Missing sources for d-i components/kernel of etch-n-half images

2019-03-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
reopen 507706
thanks

doesn't matter if debian supports etch or not; the images with missing
sources are still distributed from cdimage.debian.org:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso

Regards,
Daniel



Bug#497471: sarge images have syslinux binaries without source

2019-03-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
reopen 497471
thanks

it doesn't matter if debian supports sarge or
not; the images with missing sources are still distributed from
cdimage.debian.org:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0-i386-netinst.iso

Regards,
Daniel



Re: About modifying live-images

2015-04-29 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 04/29/15 02:32, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> When I saw things like out-of-date graphics a few days before the release and 
> no apparent
> urgency for fixes

Since I personally don't remember to have heard or seen anything from
you in the whole jessie release cycle wrt/ debian-live, I don't know on
what you base your impression on.

Anyhow, just to be perfectly clear (and in the following I'm not
speaking about changing a splash or not, but in general): if debian-cd
would build live images diverting from the official live-* config or
tools, we would not support such images and fall back to build them
ourselfs again. Instead, let me point this out again, please commit
directly to debian-next branches (which are world-writable as documented
in live-manual). There's no reason not to do "upstream first", that way
you get a both review/feedback/improvement of the change and an ACK from us.

> I'll submit bugs with patches in the next few days as I have time,
> don't worry.

As far as i know, no override should be needed if using the latest 4.x
releases of live-*.

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About modifying live-images

2015-04-27 Thread Daniel Baumann
Steve,

I'm rather unhappy about seeing local modifications done on top of
live-images here:

http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debian-cd/pettersson-live.git/tree/available/run-30live-build

please don't do that and either tell us about things you find out, or
even commit them directly to the debian-next branch of live-images in
the first place (that branch is world-writable, see live-manual for
instructions).

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Bug#751730: please use syslinux-utils instead of isolinux for isohybird

2014-06-15 Thread Daniel Baumann
Package: debian-cd

Previously, for syslinux 6 the isohybrid{,pl} programs where availabe
within the isolinux package, however, since these programs are usable on
all architectures even if the bootloader isn't available, they have been
moved to the package syslinux-utils which will be available on all
architectures.

Please update your build-depends/depends to reflect that.

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Bug#746746: syslinux 6.x to unstable on 2014-05-17

2014-05-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
now that the last revision of syslinux left NEW i would like to upload
syslinux 6.x to unstable in two weeks (2104-04-17).

however, syslinux 6.x has a few incompatible changes:

  * upstream: with the addition of efi support, syslinux modules are
now stored in a different location, e.g:

  /usr/lib/syslinux/vesamenu.c32 ->
  /usr/lib/syslinux/modules/bios/vesamenu.c32

  * upstream: since syslinux 5.x, some bootloaders need additional
loader files (ldlinux.*) to be copied to the medium.

for syslinux/extlinux this is already handled automatically,
for the 'manual' bootloaders (isolinux/pxelinux), this needs to
be done manually.

  * upstream: since syslinux 5.x, modules have dependencies, e.g:

  using vesamenu.c32, you also need libutil.c32 and libcom32.c32

for more information, see:
http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Library_modules

  * debian: with the addition of efi support, syslinux bootloaders
are packaged separately, e.g.:

isolinux.bin is in isolinux, pxelinux is in pxelinux, etc.

packages re-using the syslinux bootloaders should depend on
these individual bootloader packages.

the following packages are affected, i've send patches accordingly:

  * debian-cd: #746746
  * debian-installer: #746743
  * ipxe: #746747
  * libguestfs: #746748
  * refit: #746749
  * unetbootin: #746751

  * live-build: will do myself
  * syslinux-themes-debian: is orphaned; will take care of that

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Bug#746746: syslinux 6.x

2014-05-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
Package: debian-cd
Version: 3.1.14

Updating debian-cd to syslinux 6.x (except tools/which-deb).

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Author: Daniel Baumann 
Description: Update debian-cd to syslinux 6.x (except for tools/which_deb).

diff -Naurp debian-cd.orig/debian/control debian-cd/debian/control
--- debian-cd.orig/debian/control
+++ debian-cd/debian/control
@@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ Vcs-Browser: http://anonscm.debian.org/g
 Package: debian-cd
 Architecture: all
 Depends: ${misc:Depends}, curl, perl, dpkg-dev, cpp, libdigest-md5-perl, libdigest-sha-perl, tofrodos, apt (>= 0.3.11.1), make, xorriso | genisoimage, lynx-cur | lynx, grep-dctrl, bc, libcompress-zlib-perl, bzip2, libdpkg-perl
-Recommends: hfsutils, netpbm, syslinux-common, mtools, dosfstools
+Recommends: hfsutils, netpbm, isolinux, syslinux-common, mtools, dosfstools
 Description: Tools for building (Official) Debian CD set
  Debian-cd is the official tool for building Debian CD set since the potato
  release. It was formerly called YACS (for Yet Another CD Script).
diff -Naurp debian-cd.orig/tools/boot/jessie/boot-x86 debian-cd/tools/boot/jessie/boot-x86
--- debian-cd.orig/tools/boot/jessie/boot-x86
+++ debian-cd/tools/boot/jessie/boot-x86
@@ -196,7 +196,7 @@ if [ -n "$ARCHIVE_EXTRACTED_SOURCES" ];
 	find_pkg_file syslinux source >> $CDDIR/../$N.pkgs_extracted
 fi
 
-add_mkisofs_opt $CDDIR/../$N.mkisofs_opts "-isohybrid-mbr syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/isohdpfx.bin"
+add_mkisofs_opt $CDDIR/../$N.mkisofs_opts "-isohybrid-mbr syslinux/usr/lib/ISOLINUX/isohdpfx.bin"
 
 # In case of a multi-arch CD the script will be called two times. The
 # first time the isolinux dir gets set up for single arch; if it is
@@ -269,13 +269,11 @@ if [ -e boot$N/win32-loader.ini ]; then
 	fi
 fi
 
-cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/isolinux.bin boot$N/isolinux/
-cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/vesamenu.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
-if [ -e $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/ldlinux.c32 ]; then
-	cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/ldlinux.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
-	cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/libcom32.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
-	cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/libutil.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
-fi
+cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/ISOLINUX/isolinux.bin boot$N/isolinux/
+cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/bios/vesamenu.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
+cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/bios/ldlinux.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
+cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/bios/libcom32.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
+cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/bios/libutil.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
 
 if [ -z "$MULTIARCH" ]; then
 	# Set up isolinux dir for only the current arch
diff -Naurp debian-cd.orig/tools/boot/jessie/x86-desktop.sh debian-cd/tools/boot/jessie/x86-desktop.sh
--- debian-cd.orig/tools/boot/jessie/x86-desktop.sh
+++ debian-cd/tools/boot/jessie/x86-desktop.sh
@@ -15,7 +15,7 @@ di_syslinux_version() {
 # with vesamenu. Instead, add special default label to automatically
 # select i386/amd64 if user hits enter from help screens.
 multiarch_workaround() {
-	cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/ifcpu64.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
+	cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/modules/bios/ifcpu64.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
 	sed -i "/^default install/ s/^/#/" \
 		boot$N/isolinux/txt.cfg || true
 	sed -i "/^default64 amd64-install/ s/^/#/" \


Bug#507706: Missing sources for d-i components/kernel of etch-n-half images

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Baumann
reopen 507706
thanks

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso
[...]

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Bug#497471: sarge images have syslinux binaries without source

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Baumann
reopen 497471
thanks

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0-i386-netinst.iso
[...]

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Bug#699884: debian-cd: 2013-02-04 i386 weekly builds are unable to boot

2013-02-06 Thread Daniel Baumann

tag 699884 patch
thanks

you might want to apply the following patch on debian-cd.

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index 0acd4f3..f8410b1 100644
--- a/tools/boot/wheezy/boot-x86
+++ b/tools/boot/wheezy/boot-x86
@@ -274,6 +274,11 @@ fi
 
 cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/isolinux.bin boot$N/isolinux/
 cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/vesamenu.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
+if [ -e $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/ldlinux.c32 ]; then
+	cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/ldlinux.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
+	cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/libcom32.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
+	cp -f $CDDIR/../syslinux/usr/lib/syslinux/libutil.c32 boot$N/isolinux/
+fi
 
 if [ -z "$MULTIARCH" ]; then
 	# Set up isolinux dir for only the current arch


Re: debian-cd BoF at DebConf

2012-07-18 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 07/18/2012 06:19 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> [ Please note the cross-post and Reply-To ]

as usual.. if you cc everyone it would be nice to not always forget
debian-live@l.d.o *sigh*.

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Bug#497471: sarge images have syslinux binaries without source

2012-07-08 Thread Daniel Baumann
reopen 497471
thanks

first, please do cc bug submitters if you care for an answer, the bts
does not notify submitters when you write to a bug.

second, reopening the bug: it doesn't matter if debian supports sarge or
not; the images with missing sources are still distributed from
cdimage.debian.org.

and finally, i'm afraid i do not have any copy of 2.04 of syslinux.

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Bug#507706: closed by Colin Tuckley (Re: Missing sources for d-i components/kernel of etch-n-half images)

2012-07-05 Thread Daniel Baumann
reopen 507706
thanks

Colin Tuckley  wrote:
> Closing since this bug refers to an obsolete release which is now out of
> support.

doesn't matter if debian supports etch or not; the images with missing
sources are still distributed from cdimage.debian.org, hence reopening.

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Re: Live 6.0.4 torrents are down

2012-04-15 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 04/16/2012 02:03 AM, d...@ctcweb.net wrote:
> The debian bittorrent tracker isn't serving the Live 6.0.4 torrents. Who
> can fix that?

debian-cd@lists.debian.org operates the bt tracker, we can't do anything
about it.

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Re: Possible to make jigdo images out of the debian-live CD/DVD's ?

2011-09-07 Thread Daniel Baumann

On 09/07/2011 04:44 AM, shirish शिरीष wrote:

   Is it possible to make jigdo images out of the Debian-Live CD/DVD's
[1] similar to ones that are made for the debian-release [2] ?


no, see the debian-live ml archives for details.

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Re: Point release schedule

2011-09-05 Thread Daniel Baumann

On 09/05/2011 11:25 AM, Philipp Kern wrote:

That said, we saw that discussed on #d-live for the 6.0.1 point release and you
basically said that point releases are a no brainer and started only once the
mirrors are updated.  Furthermore you said this is usually on the next day
anyway.


you concluded wrong then, i suggest you re-read the logs.

to reiterate: while it's not important for us at which exact day and 
time the point release happens (since we can only start building it once 
the mirrors already have it), we sure would like to know in advance the 
rough estimated date (hence the request to be CC'ed for *informational 
purpose*) so that we can make plans, e.g. for fixing things in lb stable 
branch like we always do.


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Re: Point release schedule

2011-09-05 Thread Daniel Baumann

On 09/04/2011 06:14 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:

so apparently September is a very bad month to get CDs done.  I'm hereby
proposing the following with the hope that we can do it that way:

  * Lenny: October 1st
  * Squeeze: October 8th


you forgot, once again, to cc d-live@l.d.o.


Can we do that, pretty please?  :)


works for mee too.

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Re: Live CD signed by private key

2011-03-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 03/14/2011 05:50 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Both is probably best, to be honest. If we just do release builds,
> then there's more of a chance of things breaking due to lack of
> testing.

if you want to have snapshots there, then there should be some mechanism
to reboot and reset the container easily for us; builds from time to
time kills the host os (because packages break the chroot).

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Re: Live CD signed by private key

2011-03-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 03/14/2011 04:54 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> I'd also like to have a chat with you again at some point
> about running the live builds on pettersson too.

which ones, release or snapshots?

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Re: Live CD signed by private key

2011-03-07 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 03/07/2011 09:14 PM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> During CeBIT some (well, two or three) visitors wondered, why the Live
> CDs are signed by a private key, and not with the regular CD signing key
> (or any other generic key).  As I don't know it, I hereby bring that
> question to your attention.

because i don't have access to that key and steve didn't resign it i guess.

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Bug#605616: cdimage.d.o has broken 5.0.7-live mirror

2010-12-08 Thread Daniel Baumann

i've rsynced the whole thing and checked the checksums, it should be ok.

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Bug#605616: cdimage.d.o has broken 5.0.7-live mirror

2010-12-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Package: cdimage.debian.org
Severity: serious

cdimage.d.o mirrors live images from live.d.n. however, for the 5.0.7
release, all *.img files mirrored on cdimage.d.o are broken (size 20
instead of several hundreds of megabytes), apparently the mirroring
process was corrupted somehow.

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Bug#603554: update isolinux theme for squeeze

2010-11-15 Thread Daniel Baumann
Package: debian-cd
Severity: serious

please update isolinux theme for squeeze (space fun).

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Re: still no torrents for debian-live 5.0.5

2010-07-13 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 07/13/2010 10:29 AM, Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
> Done!

thank you, guys.

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Re: still no torrents for debian-live 5.0.5

2010-07-12 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 07/12/2010 11:30 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> I'm assuming that you'd like them making for *.iso, *.img, *.tar.gz and
> *.squashfs ?

assuming that the ressources are not infinite, i would only create
torrents for the isos and the usb-hdd images.

Thanks,
Daniel

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still no torrents for debian-live 5.0.5

2010-07-12 Thread Daniel Baumann
Hi,

as Steve wrote[0], he's in charge for creating the torrents, so that
Matthias[1] can seed them.

I said[2] I'm going to send a mail to the list for 5.0.5 to let people
now that they should create the torrents, that was before Steve said
he's in charge.

When I send the 'please sync 5.0.5-live images from live.d.n to
cdimage.d.o' mail to Steve on 2010-06-29, I assumed that he would create
the torrents after the sync was done. He didn't, so I've asked back
(Matthias was in the CC). I've got no reaction to that mail whatsoever :/

So I'm back here: Could the person in charge for creating the torrents
please create the torrents for 5.0.5-live, so that Matthias can seed them?

The ones for 5.0.5 (regular d-i) were instantly there, just as everytime
they get created so promptly when there's a new point release, so i
don't think there should be any problems in doing the ones for live
images too.

If there are problems, please let me know.

Regards,
Daniel

[0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2010/05/msg00020.html
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2010/05/msg00018.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2010/05/msg00019.html

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Re: Debian live can't be downloaded by bittorrent (while .torrent files are online)

2010-05-31 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 05/31/2010 08:28 PM, Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
> Well, I was going to do that now, but there appears not to be any
> torrents made for the -live images, at least I can't find any.

as said, whoever is in charge of creating the torrents didn't do it. i
don't know who that is, and it didn't happen. but i assume that this
person is reading debian...@l.d.o, so for the next point release, we
will hopefully have official torrents back.

for the current one, a brave user stepped ahead and filled the gap a few
days ago (which is what we're currently linking to from live.debian.net).

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Re: Debian live can't be downloaded by bittorrent (while .torrent files are online)

2010-05-31 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 05/31/2010 10:36 AM, Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
> Well, I enable new ones in the tracker and seeder whenever notified
> about them, but I haven't seen anything the last few months until this
> email.

i was under the impression that when i'm notifying steve to sync new
point-releases images to cdimage.d.o, that the person doing the torrents
would either be notified/triggered/$whatever automatically about it.
appears to not work like that, my fault which i'm sorry about. in
future, i'll drop a mail to debian...@l.d.o about it.

would be very nice to have torrents available all the time, for the
current live images.

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Re: Debian live can't be downloaded by bittorrent (while .torrent files are online)

2010-05-29 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 03/09/2010 07:35 PM, Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
> As far as I know, there aren't any debian-live torrents. If there are,
> we (cdimage.d.o team) haven't been notified about them.

for 500 there were official torrents available.

apparently, whoever of the cdimage.d.o team was in charge for that, did
not continue to maintain torrents for point releases. even bug reports
are completely unanswered, e.g. #518724. this is very sad :(

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Re: [Fwd: Upcoming Lenny Point Release]

2009-06-15 Thread Daniel Baumann
Luk Claes wrote:
> we intend to do a Lenny Point Release on Saturday, June 20th.

I'm leaving in the night of the 20th for two weeks to brazil; for
debian-live, the point release needs to have hit at least one mirror in
order to produce the updated images from.

If the point release hits the mirror in the early morning of the 20th, i
can still make it. otherwise, i'll try to do it the weekend afterwards
through remote access, if possible, otherwise when i'm back home on
2009-07-06.

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Re: Dealing better with CD releases

2009-04-16 Thread Daniel Baumann
Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
>> We then prune most of the old ISO images so we don't waste too much
>> space - older images can be recreated in the future using jigdo if
>> necessary.
> 
>  To the best of my knowledge that would depend on snapshot.debian.net
> being functional because once we release we also prune out the old
> packages that would be required to build the old images.

nope; that's what e.g.
http://us.cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/*/snapshot/ is for.

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Re: Release update: deep freeze, planned dates, and remaining bugs

2009-02-08 Thread Daniel Baumann
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Cool. I'll be doing builds during Saturday; let's co-ordinate as we go
> so that we can release as quickly as possible.

i'll be online the whole weekend, so best would be if someone would ping
me on irc when i can start the builds. once they are finished, i'll let
steve know where to sync them like i did the last times.

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Re: Release update: deep freeze, planned dates, and remaining bugs

2009-02-07 Thread Daniel Baumann
Luk Claes wrote:
> Just to clarify: we've checked with key people if the date would be ok
> and if they could coordinate with the people actually doing things.

for the records: since from an organizational point of view, the
live-team does not fit (resp. was not allowed/welcomed to fit) under
another umbrella, you do have to contact us directly and not through
someone 'above'.

>>   a) having network access to a mirror that has lenny final through http
> 
> Does that mean lenny has to be stable already or would lenny (testing)
> not changing anymore be enough?

live images do contain in their default builds, for convencience
reasons, the apt indices (/var/lib/apt/lists/*). this allows, that a
user can install a package in a running live system without needing to
do an apt-update.

given that we're using the codenames everwhere and not the suite names,
we could build the live images even against an unreleased lenny mirror.

however, for cosmetic reasons, it would be nicer to build them against
final lenny. otherwise the release files on lenny final images would
claim it's testing (without any other technical consequence) which feels
 akward.

> Anyway, if you need/want to build the images after the actual release
> that will mean earliest Saturday afternoon and more probably Saturday
> evening/Sunday.

that would be nice.

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Re: Debian Live

2009-02-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
W. Martin Borgert wrote:
> Can somebody update/correct the Debian live paragraph in the
> release notes, please? See #493931. Currently it says:
> 
> 
> Debian Live-CD
> TODO: What's the state?
> 
> With &releasename; Debian presents an official Debian live
> CD.Live CD Please look at
> http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD"/> and  url="http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive"/> for further information.
> 
> 

I suggest to replace it with the following:


Debian Live

With &releasename; Debian presents official Live systems for the amd64
and i386 architectures.


A Debian Live system is a Debian system that can be booted directly from
removable media (CD-ROMs, DVDs, USB keys) from another computer over the
network without the need of installation. The images were produced by a
tool named http://packages.debian.org/live-helper";>live-helper, which
allows to easily create own custom live images. More information about
the Debian Live project can be found at http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/"; />.



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Re: Release update: deep freeze, planned dates, and remaining bugs

2009-02-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Adeodato Simó wrote:
> The weekend of February 14th is going to be our tentative target for
> release. We've checked with all the involved teams (which are many!),
> and the date works for all of them.

you forgot debian-l...@lists.debian.org. remember that producing final
live images requires:

  a) having network access to a mirror that has lenny final through http

  b) me having about 8 to 12 hours of time to actually put all the
 images and flavours together.

  c) let sledge mirror them to cdimage.debian.org (it's about ~50gb)

thank you for your cooperation.

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Re: Bug#512398: debian-installer: Debian Install CD should have an skip CD-boot option as for example in SuSE

2009-01-21 Thread Daniel Baumann
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Definitely. I think it's far too late to be making changes at this
> level for Lenny.

jup; just making sure that if you would change it, it wouldn't get
forgotton in live-helper.

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Bug#512398: debian-installer: Debian Install CD should have an skip CD-boot option as for example in SuSE

2009-01-20 Thread Daniel Baumann
and make sure that you'll decide asap if you want to do that for lenny
or not, in case you do, i'll have to update the stuff in live-helper as
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Bug#497471: request for "lenny-ignore" tag for #497471

2008-12-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> At least, our official page [1] thinks different.

because it doesn't distinguish between package related bugs and
infrastructure related bugs, that's left up to the attentive reader.

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Bug#497471: request for "lenny-ignore" tag for #497471

2008-12-14 Thread Daniel Baumann
Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> Please take a look on bug #497471. This bug is related to sarge images on
> cdimage.debian.org, and I believe it is not blocker for Lenny.

first of all, there's no point for a lenny-ignore tag as the bug only
affects sarge images. lenny-ignore tags are only used for bugs that are
present in lenny.

second, serious bugs against cdimage.d.o do *per se* not block a release
anyway.

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Bug#497471: sarge images have syslinux binaries without source

2008-12-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
Hi,

any progress on this?

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Bug#507706: Missing sources for d-i components/kernel of etch-n-half images

2008-12-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
Package: cdimage.debian.org
Severity: serious

Hi,

unfortunately, a similar issue as with #497471 arised.

for 4.0r4, the debian-installer was built with the same etch-n-half
kernel images that are available in the archive and thus also in the
source images.

for 4.0r5 this changed - it is now using a kernel (lenny 2.6.26) that is
*not* in the archive of etch and thus did not make it automatically in
the source images.

it could be argued about if source-distribution for the etch-n-half d-i
kernel is considered fulfiled by the fact that *for that very moment*
the sources for that kernel are present in the lenny archive (i think
it's not arguable, but IANAL).

in the case it will be considered as source distribution, the
etch-n-half images do lack a written offer attached where that
particular missing pieces compared to the source images of 4.0r5 can be
optained from, and is therefore a GPL violation.

in the case it will not be considered as source distribution (which is
my point of view on that matter), it's GPL violation anyway.

unrelated to which case will be considered, it's also a debian policy
violation since debian wants to only distribute self-contained
distributions, means binaries and sources together in order to also
remove them at the same time, and not having to keep sources arround.

apart from the missing kernel sources, i *think* also the sources for
the lenny d-i components (which is what is beeing used in the
etch-n-half d-i initrd) itself are missing, but havent checked that yet.

Regards,
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Re: Bits from the Debian CD team

2008-10-15 Thread Daniel Baumann
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Daniel Baumann nd the rest of the debian-live team are also working on
> official live images that we'll release with Lenny for the first
> time. I've got some ideas of what he's planning in terms of options,
> but I'll let him tell you in more detail (nudge, nudge *grin*).

we'll be following up on that soon with more details, beta2 release
(unfortunately with some weeks delay) scheduled for beginning of next week.

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Bug#497270: debian-cd: includes embedded copies of bootloaders

2008-09-16 Thread Daniel Baumann
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Fixed in svn, ready for upload soon. Current daily/weekly builds will
> already do the right thing.

nice, thanks.

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Re: debimg 0.0.4 released

2008-09-11 Thread Daniel Baumann
Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> If you want to reply, you may want to move the discussion to
> debian-legal, since this is off-topic here.

you may take it up with ftp-masters then, they do interprete this
authoritatively within Debian (whose argumentation is the same as mine
in this point), not -legal.

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Re: debimg 0.0.4 released

2008-09-11 Thread Daniel Baumann
Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> DISTRIBUTION OF DEBIMG TEMPORARILY STOPPED.
> MAY BE CONTINUED IN A CORRECT WAY LATER.

thanks. feel free to let me know if you need help in future about the
subject.

> In my opinion the copyright file provided with the package does not
> specify a specific license version.

you're wrong on that one, it does.

> Instead, it is "licensed under the
> GPL", which means version 1, 2 or 3. Simply referring to a specific file
> name is in my eyes no legally correct restriction.

that's wrong, sorry.

additionally, it's common understanding that unless you explicitly
express that something is licensed under 'GPL $version, or later', it's
only distributable under 'GPL $version'. or in other words, in genereal
you are, unless explicitly expressed otherwise, not allowed to choose
the version of the license.

> Using machine-interpretable copyright can help.

as said in the previous mail, this only affects older syslinux version
before 3.70; current ones are using also GPL-2+ for debian/* and use
machine interpretable format for debian/copyright.

> Since the syslinux source code is licensed under GPL-2+, the resulting
> binary is GPL-2+.

nope; see previous mail: you need to provide sources for the resulting
binary, whereas 'source' means what is defined as source in the GPL. the
GPL defines source as actual source code *including* all build
systems/scripts that were used to build the binary. as you have used the
binary from the debian package, you also need to ship the debian/* in
your source.

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Re: debimg 0.0.4 released

2008-09-10 Thread Daniel Baumann
nul, debian-cd does it
wrong too.

Unrelated to that: Even if it would, it's fundamenally broken since it
does not list which tarball uses which syslinux version (and not all
tarballs are using a binary from 3.36+dfsg-1).

Following on to your reply[2], you also pointed to the following
explicationary paragraph of clause 3:

| If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering
| access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent
| access to copy the source code from the same place counts as
| distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not
| compelled to copy the source along with the object code.

This just allows you to split binaries and sources into individual
packages or tarballs, it doesn't have to be all in one fat tarball;
nothing more.

*Iff* you could choose to distribute syslinux binaries build from the
Debian source packages of syslinux under GPL3, you would also gain the
additional right that you not even don't require to put all sources and
binaries into one package/tarball (as GPL2 already grants you, quoted
above), but also, as you correctly referenced in your reply[2] to
additionally distribute the sources on a different network server than
the binaries. Therefore, snapshot.debian.net would qualify as a valid
source distribution point, but *only* in this case.

However, you cannot distribute the debian sources under GPL3, since
everything before version 3.70+dfsg-1 has licensed its debian/* under
GPL2 only, not GPL2+. This makes using syslinux under GPL3 impossible if
you build the binaries from the debian package, as the build system and
the sources itself need to be compatible wrt/ source distribution (or in
other words: you cannot apply GPL3 clause 6, paragraph d to the debian/*
 files of the syslinux source package, and thus not apply it to it as a
whole).

Unrelated to that: For future usage (any version later than
3.70+dfsg-1), you will be able to choose GPL3. But if you indeed choose
to distribute under GPL3, you need to clearly mark it that you do so,
both in the debimg tarballs, and you should also first get the
acknowledge from the alioth admins regarding reasons already listed in
commentary to GPL2 clause 3, paragraph b).

SOLUTION


To resolv the situation, the best would be, if you:

  * either remove debimg_0.0.1.tar.gz completely if you're unable to
provide sources under clause 3, paragraph a),

  * or upload the sources to an additional tarball to accompany
debimg_0.0.1.tar.gz in case you have the matching sources.

Repackaging debimg_0.0.1.tar.gz wouldn't be neat, since
first you're changing released tarballs, and second it would be
legally cleaner to just deliver source code (lately) for
debimg_0.0.1.tar.gz, rather than stopping to distribute
debimg_0.0.1.tar.gz without ever had provided sources for it, and at
the same time to start distributing a new tarball
(debimg_0.0.1+fixed.tar.gz or similar).

Regards,
Daniel

[0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2008/09/msg00016.html
[1] https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=jak%40jak-linux.org
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2008/09/msg00015.html

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Bug#497270: debian-cd: includes embedded copies of bootloaders

2008-09-04 Thread Daniel Baumann
Daniel Baumann wrote:
> (i'll never embedded any isolinux binaries into syslinux, so
> I'm depending on that the one in the archive is working).

s/syslinux/live-helper/

another fyi: the call[0] for testers on syslinux 3.71+dfsg-3 was
successfull, except Intel based iMacs (which is not a regression, they
don't work with syslinux 3.63 either) every previously failing machine
types appear to work again.

Therefore, I'm confident about releasing lenny for both debian and
debian-live with syslinux 3.71. Hopefully, you'll also switch to 3.71 in
debian-cd soon.

Regards,
Daniel

[0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2008/09/msg00046.html

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Re: debimg 0.0.4 released

2008-09-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
Daniel Baumann wrote:
> Julian Andres Klode wrote:
>> Like debian-cd the tarball includes the isolinux.bin file taken from the
>> Debian package. (In this case version 3.61+dfsg-1)
> 
> note that the GPL 2b) doesn't apply to official debian packages.
> official debian packages do have stronger source requirements.
> 
> however, since your package is unofficial and not in the archive, you
> can go that route (but be aware of the consequences: you need to
> *ensure* that you have the sources yourself and can distribute it up to
> three years after you have stopped to distribute that very binary).
> 
>> Excerpt of GPL 2:
>>   If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering
>>   access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent
>>   access to copy the source code from the same place counts as
>>   distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not
>>   compelled to copy the source along with the object code.
> 
> this is clause 2c) which does not apply. you need to comply to 2b).

freudian typo: s|2b|3b|g and s|2c|3c|g.

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Re: debimg 0.0.4 released

2008-09-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> Like debian-cd the tarball includes the isolinux.bin file taken from the
> Debian package. (In this case version 3.61+dfsg-1)

note that the GPL 2b) doesn't apply to official debian packages.
official debian packages do have stronger source requirements.

however, since your package is unofficial and not in the archive, you
can go that route (but be aware of the consequences: you need to
*ensure* that you have the sources yourself and can distribute it up to
three years after you have stopped to distribute that very binary).

> Excerpt of GPL 2:
>   If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering
>   access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent
>   access to copy the source code from the same place counts as
>   distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not
>   compelled to copy the source along with the object code.

this is clause 2c) which does not apply. you need to comply to 2b).

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Bug#497270: debian-cd: includes embedded copies of bootloaders

2008-09-03 Thread Daniel Baumann
fyi: qemu issue has been fixed by upstream in 3.72pre1, fix included in
unstable 3.71-3. 3.71-4 in NEW is splittet into syslinux (arch) and
syslinux-common (indep).

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Bug#497270: debian-cd: includes embedded copies of bootloaders

2008-09-02 Thread Daniel Baumann
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Would it be enough to put the sources of that specific version of syslinux
> somewhere on cdimage.debian.org and document that ?

for this bug, no.

first, debian source packages must contain all sources needed to produce
debian binary packages, you cannot out-source parts of the source to a
different location.

second, debian binary packages and debian source packages must be in
sync, which wouldn't be the case if you out-source parts of it.

however, for the sarge release (#497471), you could put a source tarball
contain the sources for that syslinux version into the same directory as
the source-iso images are kept; that way mirrors should pick it up
automatically.

> Once that this is done, we can reduce the severity of this bug to
> wishlist.

wishlist ist imho too low, at least normal or rather important would be
more approriate, given that debian-cd would, even if it includes the
tarball with the syslinux sources in the debian source package of
debian-cd itself, still create incomplete source images. which is quite
an important mis-feature of a cdimage creation software.

you need to fix that for lenny to, in case you decide to keep using
emebedded syslinux binaries.


completely unrelated to that: if syslinux upstream cannot fix the
regressions in time, the last resort solution is to go back to 3.63 for
unstable (i'll never embedded any isolinux binaries into syslinux, so
I'm depending on that the one in the archive is working).

also completely unrelated, but while we are at it, the next upload of
syslinux will be splittet into syslinux (arch) and syslinux-common
(indep), so that the pure bootloader files can be access/installed on
any arch.

> I somewhat agree that we should extract what we need from the syslinux
> package itself but it's not something that is very practical to implement
> and IIRC we had quite some history with syslinux being broken in a few
> cases that justified to keep control over what syslinux version we were
> using.

i personally don't agree with this. a major reason for why we have the
current regressions in syslinux comes from exactely that fact that
cdimage software like debian-cd do not use the version from the archive,
otherwise we would have had reports months ago and would have had time
to fix it. now it's almost impossible to bisect between 3.63 and 3.71,
calling for testers and confirming this on all the affected different
hardware out there (which i don't have access to myself).

however, your call.

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Re: debimg 0.0.4 released

2008-09-02 Thread Daniel Baumann
Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> Tarball: <http://alioth.debian.org/~jak-guest/debimg_0.0.4.tar.gz>

this tarball also includes syslinux without sources, and is thus
violating the GPL. please either remove it, or include syslinux sources
/for hat specific/ version of syslinux you are using.

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Re: Bug#497462: cdimage.d.o distributes images without source

2008-09-02 Thread Daniel Baumann
Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
>> You can happily remove this very old, and no longer useful, images.
> 
> Done, deleted.

good; let's close the bug then.

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Bug#497462: cdimage.d.o distributes images without source

2008-09-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Package: cdimage.debian.org
Severity: serious

Hi,

the following images are not accompanied with sources:

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/misc/debian-kde4beta4-live-cd-amd64.iso
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/misc/debian-kde4beta4-live-cd-i386.iso

Those need either to be removed, or (at least for the GPL licensed
components) contain a note where I can request its sources.

Regards,
Daniel

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Bug#497270: debian-cd: includes embedded copies of bootloaders

2008-08-31 Thread Daniel Baumann
Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> Bug#496869 is a release blocker. We don't want to produce d-i images
> that do not work on some machines.

agreed, but that's not the point. to fulfil the license /for that
specific version/ of syslinux embedded in debian-cd, you need to include
the sources of /that specific version/ of syslinux.

all sources of debian packages are available in
git://git.debian.net/git/syslinux.git and debian binary/source packages
on http://daniel.debian.net/packages/syslinux/.

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Bug#497270: debian-cd: includes embedded copies of bootloaders

2008-08-31 Thread Daniel Baumann
unblock 497270 by 496869
thanks

Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> At least the embedded copy works on all machines. The version in the
> archive has problems with QEMU and Intel Macs (see bug#496869).

...which is an entirely different problem and has nothing to do with the
legal promplem to comply with the syslinux license (GPL-2+).

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Bug#497270: debian-cd: includes embedded copies of bootloaders

2008-08-31 Thread Daniel Baumann
Package: debian-cd
Severity: serious

Hi,

debian-cd includes (at least) syslinux binaries without source.

debian-cd should take the syslinux binaries out of the archive when
building images.

Regards,
Daniel

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Re: [RFC] Debian Installer Lenny Beta2 - Pending stuff and timeline

2008-05-04 Thread Daniel Baumann
Otavio Salvador wrote:
>  - current 2.6.25 status
>. currently too young to know about stability
>. still not ready for d-i usage (lacks l-m-e)

'still' not ready? ftr: linux-kbuild-2.6 left NEW just on saturday;
modules can't be uploaded without this prior beeing in the archive.. and
as always.. i'm uploading new conglomeration packages once that has
happened, which is.. now.

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Re: Live cd root password

2008-01-10 Thread Daniel Baumann
Bryan and Jill Taylor wrote:
> I would like to know the root password for the live cd

there is none.

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ#head-da35f51e4a39f2bdefd85e7cae8b0e90b550d923

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