Re: About 1st debian CD
Le Fri, May 03, 2002 at 02:57:57PM -0500, Chris Lawrence écrivait: 2. (To whomever is responsible for these images:) You probably should update your copy of debian-cd from CVS and remove base-woody from the task file you are using. This will eliminate a lot of stuff that's allegedly base but unimportant. Pick a 2.2 and a 2.4 kernel image and put them in your task file. Hey, certainly not ... base-woody is what debootstrap needs to be able to install a new system. If you remove base-woody, you can't guarantee that the install will go ok. I'm sure you meant task-woody instead. What needs to be done, is that someone should come up with a new tasks/exclude-woody tasks/unexclude-CD2-woody ... the first one would be used to remove the cruft from CD1, while the other to add back the files that should be on the CDs but not on CD1. Maybe this could be sorted out by reordering the packages in tasks-woody too ... i don't know which is best. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/~raphael/ Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About 1st debian CD
On Sat, 4 May 2002, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Please commit your task-woody on the CVS, and also commit the exclude-woody and unexclude-CD2-woody ... thanks ! I am doing another rebuild at the moment with a few improvements. At this stage it seems that tex, fortran and i18n will be on CD2. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 025 267 9420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - preferred. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sell GNU/Linux GNU/Hurd CDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About 1st debian CD
Hi again, I'm talking about semi-official (?) prerelease CD's from: http://cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/ (pre2) and from: http://cdimage.debian.org/pre-release-jigdo/ (pre1, See http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/18/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2002/debian-cd-200204/msg00435.html) Now I see pre3 in http://cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/ and there is anarchy in 1st CD too :( for example now mc-common and gmc are included in 1st CD, but there is no mc package and no xserver (now xfonts-75dpi are included in first CD, this is good, but all kernel-images-2.4.16 are still in 1st CD and maybe because of this full x-window-system does not fit in 1st CD) See list of packages, included in 1st CD on http://cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/3.0-pre3/jigdo/i386/woody-i386-1_NONUS.jigdo (this is gzipped text file) Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In previous prelelease (debian-30pre1-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso) almost all x-window-system packages were in the 1st CD, why in pre2 most X packages are moved in second CD ? 1. What CD images are you referring to? The ones on ftp.fsn.hu are unofficial, as are any other CD images floating around on the net. OK, I think that full x-window-system is most important (the majority of games, junior and science packages are not usefull without full x-window-system (xserver-xfree86, xserver-common, xfonts-base, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, maybe xfonts-*-transcoded, etc) Philip Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the tip about the kernel images, this could mean that all of games, junior and science will end up on the first CD. I don't know about true Depend (I've not tested, because my debian system is full of packages and I don't know how to make a test without reinstaling OS. Maybe we just need to set the priorities differently for which packages to go on which CD. Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that actually true do the Depend or are you just saying that most people won't have much use for abiword if they don't have an xserver on the same machine. Sorry, I did some manual tests of second CD (with mc) and didn't find any packages that really Depends on packages not from first or second CDs :( Maybe this is my mistake ? We need to do some automated test to ensure. second CD contains packages, that depends on other packages that are not in the first and second CD's and so on :( Could you cite some examples please. Mantas K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About 1st debian CD
Le Sat, May 04, 2002 at 04:09:33PM +, Mantas K. écrivait: Sorry, I did some manual tests of second CD (with mc) and didn't find any packages that really Depends on packages not from first or second CDs :( Maybe this is my mistake ? Well, debian-cd will never include a package without its dependencies. So theoretically, you can't find such a package. However it's true that some indirect (ie not codified via Depends field) depends may be wrong. For example, you may have an X app on CD1 which depends on xlib6g but without any xserver on that CD. This needs to be taken care of manually. Thanks to Philip Charles, this has been done now. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://strasbourg.linuxfr.org/~raphael/ Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About 1st debian CD
On May 03, Mantas K. wrote: I think 1st debian CD is very important for all users, especially for beginners and should not contain duplicates like now: See for example /pool/main/k - there are about 130MB of various kernel-images: /kernel-image-2.2.20-i386 - ~9MB /kernel-image-2.2.20-reiserfs-i386 - ~2MB /kernel-image-2.2.20-udma100-ext3-i386- ~5MB /kernel-image-2.4.16-i386 - ~58MB !!! /kernel-image-2.4.18-i386 - ~52MB /kernel-image-2.4.18-i386bf - ~6MB Who needs 130MB of various kernel-images in 1st CD ??? I understand - kernel 2.2.20 and 2.2.18 are really usefull, but what about 2.4.16 ? How many users will use kernel-image-2.4.16-i386 when there are newer version - kernel-image-2.4.18-i386 ? We shoult remove ar least kernel-image-2.4.16-i386, then x-window-system (xserver-xfree86, xserver-common, xfonts-base, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi) will fit in 1st CD without problems. In previous prelelease (debian-30pre1-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso) almost all x-window-system packages were in the 1st CD, why in pre2 most X packages are moved in second CD ? 1. What CD images are you referring to? The ones on ftp.fsn.hu are unofficial, as are any other CD images floating around on the net. 2. (To whomever is responsible for these images:) You probably should update your copy of debian-cd from CVS and remove base-woody from the task file you are using. This will eliminate a lot of stuff that's allegedly base but unimportant. Pick a 2.2 and a 2.4 kernel image and put them in your task file. Woody CD 1 should be fairly complete with minimal hassle, at least for all ISO-8859-* languages. (The cjk tasks bring in a lot of extra stuff, so it might be worthwhile to have a separate Woody CJK cd that has cjk tasks on it.) Hope this helps some. Chris -- Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.lordsutch.com/chris/ Instructor and Ph.D. Candidate, Political Science, Univ. of Mississippi 208 Deupree Hall - 662-915-5765 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About 1st debian CD
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Chris Lawrence wrote: Who needs 130MB of various kernel-images in 1st CD ??? I understand - kernel 2.2.20 and 2.2.18 are really usefull, but what about 2.4.16 ? How many users will use kernel-image-2.4.16-i386 when there are newer version - kernel-image-2.4.18-i386 ? We shoult remove ar least kernel-image-2.4.16-i386, then x-window-system (xserver-xfree86, xserver-common, xfonts-base, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi) will fit in 1st CD without problems. In previous prelelease (debian-30pre1-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso) almost all x-window-system packages were in the 1st CD, why in pre2 most X packages are moved in second CD ? 1. What CD images are you referring to? The ones on ftp.fsn.hu are unofficial, as are any other CD images floating around on the net. They are probably using an unmodified late version of debian-cd, see below. 2. (To whomever is responsible for these images:) You probably should update your copy of debian-cd from CVS and remove base-woody from the task file you are using. This will eliminate a lot of stuff that's allegedly base but unimportant. Pick a 2.2 and a 2.4 kernel image and put them in your task file. Having looked at base-woody this would make little difference as the kernel images are not in this list. I suspect that this list is redundant as the packages listed would be included on the first CD regardless. The way around this would be to EXCLUDE selected kernel-images and UNEXCLUDE2 this list of images for CD2. Woody CD 1 should be fairly complete with minimal hassle, at least for all ISO-8859-* languages. (The cjk tasks bring in a lot of extra stuff, so it might be worthwhile to have a separate Woody CJK cd that has cjk tasks on it.) Through careful ordering of the packages in task-woody I have managed to get most of the packages mentioned in the tasks onto the first CD. The exceptions are i18n, games, junior, science and fortran-dev. The official task-woody list has been sorted alphabetically which creates a shambles of the first two CDs. The script I use, cat task.list | while read LINE; do \ apt-cache dumpavail | grep-dctrl -F Task $LINE -n -s Package;done \ ./tasks/task-woody task.list lists the tasks in the order I want them on the CDs, task-woody now lists the packages needed for each task in the same order as task.list. This list is _not_ sorted. Thanks for the tip about the kernel images, this could mean that all of games, junior and science will end up on the first CD. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 025 267 9420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - preferred. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sell GNU/Linux GNU/Hurd CDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
