Re: Bug#543256: tasksel maintainer's perspective
On Thursday 27 August 2009, Joey Hess wrote: So, that change was made in tasksel three months ago, near to the start what was, AFAIK at the time, a 1.5 year release cycle. This was done in full knowledge that enabling recommends would take some time to sort So why did you not inform the d-cd team of that change then? And you also know that historically such issues have in general not been sorted out by d-cd maintainers proper, but more by people like you and me who's primary concern was D-I. out, including getting debian-cd to disable NORECOMMENDS and maybe handle recommends more intelligently; dealing with demotion of unnecessary recommends; and dealing with any size increase issues. If the current release timeframe[1] is not long enough to sort these issues out, perhaps the release team should be told about that. Or perhaps someone will want to revert this -- but you get to own all the issues of the installer not installing recommends while maintainers assume it will. Right, so basically you're saying that you no longer want to explicitly list desired Recommends in tasksel and have decided to do that by simply dumping the problem on another team, while actively working to increase the problem. IMO tasksel is a much more logical place for it. Oddly it didn't seem to be treated as a big deal by a lot of people when it happened to stable CD1. :-/ Agreed. I've been very disappointed with the very long time it took to fix that simple issue. You'll have noticed that I jumped in straight away to help resolve the issue after you filed the BR as I do feel CD1 is important. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#543256: tasksel maintainer's perspective
I don't appreciate the confrontational tone Frans is using in this thread, and so will not be continuing to follow it. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#543256: tasksel maintainer's perspective
On Wednesday 26 August 2009, Frans Pop wrote: I also worry what the change will mean for the total size of the various desktop installs. Is the 3GB check still enough? Somehow I doubt it. Installing GNOME desktop currently requires 3.2GB. That's including the package cache. After 'aptitude clean, 2.4GB remains used. For comparison, the same numbers for Lenny are 2.5GB and 1.8GB. I had recommends disabled, and at first I thought maybe tasksel was overriding that option. But I checked and that 's not the case. So I really shudder to think what the installed size would have been if I'd not disabled Recommends (with packages like gnome-office still missing). /me is not at all amused -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#543256: tasksel maintainer's perspective
So, that change was made in tasksel three months ago, near to the start what was, AFAIK at the time, a 1.5 year release cycle. This was done in full knowledge that enabling recommends would take some time to sort out, including getting debian-cd to disable NORECOMMENDS and maybe handle recommends more intelligently; dealing with demotion of unnecessary recommends; and dealing with any size increase issues. If the current release timeframe[1] is not long enough to sort these issues out, perhaps the release team should be told about that. Or perhaps someone will want to revert this -- but you get to own all the issues of the installer not installing recommends while maintainers assume it will. Frans Pop wrote: Losing network-manager-gnome from CD1 seems like a fairly major issue to me. Oddly it didn't seem to be treated as a big deal by a lot of people when it happened to stable CD1. :-/ [users disabling recommends] IMO maintainers of desktop tasks do *not* have to worry about this. But they clearly do: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=22;att=0;bug=542095 | In the end this is possible, and you’re not the first one to ask, but | then we’ll get bug reports from stupid users asking why this or that | functionality doesn’t work, while Recommends have not been installed. -- see shy jo [1] Is anyone even knows that that is anymore. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
