Bug#572382: cdimage.debian.org: 5.0.4 CD/DVD missing for arch not amd64/i386

2010-03-03 Thread Simon Paillard
Package: cdimage.debian.org

Hi,

Based on a report from Chatchai Jantaraprim on debian-mirr...@lists.d.o.

On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 11:03:26AM +0700, Chatchai Jantaraprim wrote:
 Does the contents there up-to-date? For example
 http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-bd/
 
 the MD5SUMS show
   e76da6232af0a566fed8a56801816305  debian-504-i386-BD-1.iso
 
 but debian-504-i386-BD-1.iso is not there.

BD-1-iso is a bad example, as BluRay is not provided on purpose on
cdimage.debian.org.

 Other architectures seem to have more problems.
 Alpha iso-cd MD5SUMS list 29 iso cds, but only 3 isos are there.

All arch but amd64 and i386 only provide the first DVD and first 3 CD
(except powerpc with more 6 CD):
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/powerpc/iso-dvd/ provides only
the first DVD.

Not that I am convinced debian-504-powerpc-CD-31.iso is useful to many
people, but as cdimage.d.o is the reference and people really need
offline media, it should certainly be made available. (or modify
debian.org/CD/ to stop saying cdimage.d.o is a reference place do
download files).

Workaround: use mirrors which generates images themselves, from jigdo
files: e.g. http://debian.advalem.net/debian-cd/

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Re: Bug#572382: cdimage.debian.org: 5.0.4 CD/DVD missing for arch not amd64/i386

2010-03-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 03 March 2010, Simon Paillard wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 11:03:26AM +0700, Chatchai Jantaraprim wrote:
  Does the contents there up-to-date? For example
  http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-bd/

All the missing images are not included *as ISOs* on purpose. Simply 
because they are very seldomly used and together would take up huge 
amounts of space on the mirrors.

For all missing images jigdo files are provided instead. Using the jigdo 
files is not a workaround, it is the only supported method for downloading 
these images.

If you don't want to download them using jigdo, you can check if a CD 
vendor sells them.

Cheers,
FJP


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Re: Bug#572382: cdimage.debian.org: 5.0.4 CD/DVD missing for arch not amd64/i386

2010-03-03 Thread Chatchai Jantaraprim
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 10:35:10PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
 On Wednesday 03 March 2010, Simon Paillard wrote:
  On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 11:03:26AM +0700, Chatchai Jantaraprim wrote:
   Does the contents there up-to-date? For example
   http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-bd/
 
 All the missing images are not included *as ISOs* on purpose. Simply 
 because they are very seldomly used and together would take up huge 
 amounts of space on the mirrors.

Umm... may be I mis-interpreted the contents of MD5SUMS and SHA1SUMS as 

There are all of these ISO files here, which have these sums
values that should be checked after these ISOs downloaded, before
they get burned into CD/DVD/BD.

So it might be my ignorant, but should there be something such as
README file explain to those who looking for ISO files from
debian-cd mirrors that they won't see those ISOs here, and what
they should do to if they really want to get one.

May be a README file at top level of debian-cd/?

Cheers,
cj

 
 For all missing images jigdo files are provided instead. Using the jigdo 
 files is not a workaround, it is the only supported method for downloading 
 these images.
 
 If you don't want to download them using jigdo, you can check if a CD 
 vendor sells them.
 
 Cheers,
 FJP
 
 
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Re: Bug#572382: cdimage.debian.org: 5.0.4 CD/DVD missing for arch not amd64/i386

2010-03-03 Thread Chatchai Jantaraprim
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 12:57:25PM +0700, Chatchai Jantaraprim wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 10:35:10PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
  On Wednesday 03 March 2010, Simon Paillard wrote:
   On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 11:03:26AM +0700, Chatchai Jantaraprim wrote:
Does the contents there up-to-date? For example
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-bd/
  
  All the missing images are not included *as ISOs* on purpose. Simply 
  because they are very seldomly used and together would take up huge 
  amounts of space on the mirrors.
 
   Umm... may be I mis-interpreted the contents of MD5SUMS and SHA1SUMS as 
 
   There are all of these ISO files here, which have these sums
   values that should be checked after these ISOs downloaded, before
   they get burned into CD/DVD/BD.
 
   So it might be my ignorant, but should there be something such as

Ahh, yes, my ignorant. I just found explaination in 

http://www.debian.org/CD/

Download CD/DVD images using HTTP or FTP. Due to space and bandwidth
 constraints, only very few mirrors are able to supply direct HTTP/FTP
 download links. These sites may use bandwidth throttling, downloads
 can be quite slow. Please use jigdo or bittorrent instead. DVD images
 are only available for some architectures and not on all mirrors.

But not everyone get download URL from there when they want debian
ISO images. So I think that README file in debian-cd/ mirror should
be there for explain this to users.

Cheers,
cj


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