Re: Live 5.0.0 i386 is maybe not i386
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:57:08AM +0100, Richard Atterer wrote: So unfortunately the standard Debian installer is not the right choice for you. Try a distribution specialized for low-spec machines, e.g. http://damnsmalllinux.org/! Once installed, you may be able to convert it into a normal Debian installation. You can, but it is quite a lot of work[1] to get to a *pure* Debian system. It is not called damnsmalllinux for nothing. :) It was a while ago when I did it. (It was based on Sarge.) -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 16479 2006-02-28 10:03 /usr/share/doc/dsl/getting_started.html Mmmm ... still got gremlins. chr...@box:~$ ls -al /opt/ total 32 drwxrwsr-x 6 root staff 4096 2007-12-22 02:49 . drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2008-09-29 02:23 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 root staff0 2004-08-10 16:54 .backup_device drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 2004-11-17 18:39 .firefox_plugins drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2004-11-13 06:32 apsfilter lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 12 2007-09-21 18:16 monkey - monkey-0.9.1 drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2005-05-18 07:14 monkey-0.9.1 -rwxrwxr-x 1 root root 213 2005-07-01 09:53 powerdown.sh -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2003-12-14 01:24 printcap drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2004-11-13 06:32 samba -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 17 2008-10-24 18:24 timezone [1] For one thing, they have a lot of customised config files and just blindly replacing them is not recommended. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Live 5.0.0 i386 is maybe not i386
Gary Lawrence Murphy ga...@teledyn.com writes: I don't know if the mailing list accepts outside submissions; this address is listed on the CD page as the primary contact so here goes... I just downloaded http://debian.yorku.ca/debian-cd/5.0.0-live/i386/iso-cd/ and tried an install on a 1998-vintage Compaq Presario 1210; the Live boot fails on loading the Linux kernel, citing an invalid instruction error -- if I'm not mistaken, invalid instruction could only happen if the kernel or some module of the kernel is NOT i386 yes, it is a pretty esoteric error, but an error nonetheless, no? Debian has dropped support for i386 some time ago and now only supports i486 upwards. So the name is a bit of a misnomer but it is historical. MfG Goswin PS: Try sarge or older. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Live 5.0.0 i386 is maybe not i386
[CCd to -release - is the release manual up to date?] Hi Gary, On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:29:46PM -0400, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: I just downloaded http://debian.yorku.ca/debian-cd/5.0.0-live/i386/iso-cd/ and tried an install on a 1998-vintage Compaq Presario 1210; the Live boot fails on loading the Linux kernel, citing an invalid instruction error That is some really ancient hardware! :-o -- if I'm not mistaken, invalid instruction could only happen if the kernel or some module of the kernel is NOT i386 My guess is that the error happens because of changes to the i386 instruction set that were added since the non-MMX Pentium in your machine came out. In Debian 3.1, we enabled the generation of optimized code which made newer machines faster, but at the same time caused really old machines to stop working with Debian. This page claims that things should still work with your CPU, but maybe it is out of date::-/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#id2841088 Even if this had not been done, installation might still have failed on that machine because the Debian installer needs quite a bit of RAM. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en claims 44 MB, but again I think the figure is actually higher today. So unfortunately the standard Debian installer is not the right choice for you. Try a distribution specialized for low-spec machines, e.g. http://damnsmalllinux.org/! Once installed, you may be able to convert it into a normal Debian installation. Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | GnuPG key: 888354F7 | \/¯| http://atterer.net | 08A9 7B7D 3D13 3EF2 3D25 D157 79E6 F6DC 8883 54F7 ¯ '` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Live 5.0.0 i386 is maybe not i386
On Sunday 15 March 2009, Richard Atterer wrote: Even if this had not been done, installation might still have failed on that machine because the Debian installer needs quite a bit of RAM. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en claims 44 MB, but again I think the figure is actually higher today. No, that figure is still correct. You can even install on systems with as little as 24MB using the regular installer if you know what you're doing. But the *live CD* is NOT Debian Installer!!! The live CD does need a *lot* more memory than the regular installer and may also be using a different kernel. You may have better luck trying the regular installer. Note also that the live CD is (currently) not covered at all by the installation guide. Cheers, FJP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Live 5.0.0 i386 is maybe not i386
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:37:09AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: But the *live CD* is NOT Debian Installer!!! Oh, of course, thanks for clarifying! How could I miss that in the original post... %-/ Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | GnuPG key: 888354F7 | \/¯| http://atterer.net | 08A9 7B7D 3D13 3EF2 3D25 D157 79E6 F6DC 8883 54F7 ¯ '` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Live 5.0.0 i386 is maybe not i386
Richard Frans, thanks for the info -- yes, it is pretty old hardware, but the Internet does record success with it using Debian, only I expect that means I will need to find a comparable vintage debian ;) I've been going down the list of old-hardware distros at distrowatch, 6 so far, 5 have failed to boot, one (puppy which is also deb) worked once but wouldn't go subsequent trials. It's a machine given free for my 9 year old to use, so if it works, great, otherwise it's landfill :) the caution about live-cds is also a point taken -- I was /hoping/ I might find a live-CD that would at least demonstrate that all the hardware was supported before I wipe the existing Win98 and end up with a boat-anchor. thanks gain; my quest continues! -- Gary Lawrence Murphy garym at teledyn.com = Alice laughed: There's no use trying, one can't believe impossible things. I daresay you haven't had much practice, said the Queen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Live 5.0.0 i386 is maybe not i386
I don't know if the mailing list accepts outside submissions; this address is listed on the CD page as the primary contact so here goes... I just downloaded http://debian.yorku.ca/debian-cd/5.0.0-live/i386/iso-cd/ and tried an install on a 1998-vintage Compaq Presario 1210; the Live boot fails on loading the Linux kernel, citing an invalid instruction error -- if I'm not mistaken, invalid instruction could only happen if the kernel or some module of the kernel is NOT i386 yes, it is a pretty esoteric error, but an error nonetheless, no? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy garym at teledyn.com = Alice laughed: There's no use trying, one can't believe impossible things. I daresay you haven't had much practice, said the Queen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
