Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 03:42:19PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 03:17:08PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 06:58:52PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I've added code into debian-cd to generate images with firmware on the first CD. Add FORCE_FIRMWARE=1 in CONF.sh. I've also tweaked the build scripts so that we'll start generating them. I can see that I've got all the firmware debs in /firmware in the ISO, but I don't see any feedback to suggest that the installer is picking up on them. Test images available at I haven't tested it but just from this short text you seem to be doing it wrong. Thanks for that helpful feedback. From memory you should add the debs to the normal repository structure on the CD under non-free and in the Release file specify that the CD carries main and non-free. Iirc you also need to list non-free in the DI info file but I'm not sure. Last time I did this was by hand and when lenny was frozen. DI then sees that you have both main and non-free on the CD and reads main/binary-arch/Packages and non-free/binary-arch/Packages and sees all the firmware debs (same for udebs). Try reading up-thread to see what Petter has implemented...? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Google-bait: http://www.debian.org/CD/free-linux-cd Debian does NOT ship free CDs. Please do NOT contact the mailing lists asking us to send them to you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100628212422.gd4...@einval.com
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 03:17:08PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 06:58:52PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I've added code into debian-cd to generate images with firmware on the first CD. Add FORCE_FIRMWARE=1 in CONF.sh. I've also tweaked the build scripts so that we'll start generating them. I can see that I've got all the firmware debs in /firmware in the ISO, but I don't see any feedback to suggest that the installer is picking up on them. Test images available at I haven't tested it but just from this short text you seem to be doing it wrong. From memory you should add the debs to the normal repository structure on the CD under non-free and in the Release file specify that the CD carries main and non-free. Iirc you also need to list non-free in the DI info file but I'm not sure. Last time I did this was by hand and when lenny was frozen. DI then sees that you have both main and non-free on the CD and reads main/binary-arch/Packages and non-free/binary-arch/Packages and sees all the firmware debs (same for udebs). MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874ogteuh0@frosties.localdomain
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
Stefano wrote: On Wed, Jun 09, 2010 at 01:16:27PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: ... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20100527-7/i386/iso-cd/firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso I used it to install a IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad R52 with Intel Wireless card and anything went right. I'll open an bug report with the installation report as soon I'll be back from holiday. Cool, thanks. * how to describe them in the README on the disc. For now I've added: This disc includes non-free firmware files to make installation easier on some systems. See http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for more details. I think it should be better: This disc includes non-free firmware to make installation easier on systems requiring proprietary but redistributable firmware. See http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for more details. Sounds good, taken. :-) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Because heaters aren't purple! -- Catherine Pitt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1oohbo-ei...@jack.mossbank.org.uk
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
Hi! * Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com [100609 14:16]: * how to describe them in the README on the disc. For now I've added: This disc includes non-free firmware files to make installation easier on some systems. See http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for more details. but I'm open to suggestions for something better. No responses yet. Anyone??? Sounds okay to me. Best Regards, Alexander signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 03:17:08PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 06:58:52PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I've added code into debian-cd to generate images with firmware on the first CD. Add FORCE_FIRMWARE=1 in CONF.sh. I've also tweaked the build scripts so that we'll start generating them. I can see that I've got all the firmware debs in /firmware in the ISO, but I don't see any feedback to suggest that the installer is picking up on them. Test images available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20100527-7/i386/iso-cd/firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20100527-7/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso in case anybody else wants to help testing them. I've still got a couple more things to decide about these new firmware-included images even once we've got these working: * where exactly to put them on cdimage (for now they're alongside the normal images) * how to describe them in the README on the disc. For now I've added: This disc includes non-free firmware files to make installation easier on some systems. See http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for more details. but I'm open to suggestions for something better. No responses yet. Anyone??? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com ...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user' as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver. -- Daniel Pead -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100609121627.gb6...@einval.com
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 06:58:52PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: Today I had a look at this issue, and tested a bit. A new package was just uploaded to unstable with the changes I believe we need in Debian Edu. I changed the hw-detect code that take care of the firmware loading, to see if the .deb file include a preinst, and run it if it exist. With the firmware-ipw2x00 package, the license question was displayed as it should and answering now causes the firmware package to be removed from d-i and the firmware not to be used. To allow firmware to be found also when it is on the installation CD or DVD, I added code to look in /cdrom/firmware/ for firmware (u)debs. It will not accept loose firmware files in this location, only packages. To test it, build your own CD with the firmware .debs symlinked from /firmware/ to /pool/. To allow firmware to be found when booting via PXE, it will also look in /firmware/ for (u)debs. To test this feature, the PXE initrd need to be repacked with the wanted firmware packages stored in /firmware/. If the firmware is in a .deb package, the same package will also be installed in /target/, and if preseeding of the license is allowed, the license question will not show up again (this is the case for firmware-ipw2x00). If preseeding isn't allowed, I believe dpkg will try to show the license again (and fail, because debconf forwarding is not set up in that part of the code). I guess we should solve that problem if we run into firmware .debs which do not allow preseeding. :) Give it a try, and let me know if it work for you. :) I've added code into debian-cd to generate images with firmware on the first CD. Add FORCE_FIRMWARE=1 in CONF.sh. I've also tweaked the build scripts so that we'll start generating them. I can see that I've got all the firmware debs in /firmware in the ISO, but I don't see any feedback to suggest that the installer is picking up on them. Test images available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20100527-7/i386/iso-cd/firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20100527-7/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso in case anybody else wants to help testing them. I've still got a couple more things to decide about these new firmware-included images even once we've got these working: * where exactly to put them on cdimage (for now they're alongside the normal images) * how to describe them in the README on the disc. For now I've added: This disc includes non-free firmware files to make installation easier on some systems. See http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for more details. but I'm open to suggestions for something better. Cheers, -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com You raise the blade, you make the change... You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100527141708.ga27...@einval.com
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
Today I had a look at this issue, and tested a bit. A new package was just uploaded to unstable with the changes I believe we need in Debian Edu. I changed the hw-detect code that take care of the firmware loading, to see if the .deb file include a preinst, and run it if it exist. With the firmware-ipw2x00 package, the license question was displayed as it should and answering now causes the firmware package to be removed from d-i and the firmware not to be used. To allow firmware to be found also when it is on the installation CD or DVD, I added code to look in /cdrom/firmware/ for firmware (u)debs. It will not accept loose firmware files in this location, only packages. To test it, build your own CD with the firmware .debs symlinked from /firmware/ to /pool/. To allow firmware to be found when booting via PXE, it will also look in /firmware/ for (u)debs. To test this feature, the PXE initrd need to be repacked with the wanted firmware packages stored in /firmware/. If the firmware is in a .deb package, the same package will also be installed in /target/, and if preseeding of the license is allowed, the license question will not show up again (this is the case for firmware-ipw2x00). If preseeding isn't allowed, I believe dpkg will try to show the license again (and fail, because debconf forwarding is not set up in that part of the code). I guess we should solve that problem if we run into firmware .debs which do not allow preseeding. :) Give it a try, and let me know if it work for you. :) Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2flpr0n27qr@login1.uio.no
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
[Petter Reinholdtsen] Yesterday, I figured out a workaround for this, and I wanted to share the solution with the rest of you, and ask if perhaps the default behaviour of debian-cd or d-i (hw-detect) should change to make this workaround unneeded. Further testing of this fix proved that it is insufficient. hw-detect call check-missing-firmware, which look on several devices (disk, USB sticks, floppies) for firmware, but fail to look on the CD itself. This, I must admit, is very sad. I had a look at the source of check-missing-firmware and saw it was looking in the firmware/ directory of several devices, and assumed it would also check the boot media, but no. :( Should hw-detect also look for firmware on the CD? Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100316104634.ga4...@login1.uio.no
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
Hi, On Dienstag, 16. März 2010, Frans Pop wrote: An additional issue with non-free firmware is that including it in the way you propose would (I think) mean it will get loaded without any prompting of the user, which may in some cases violate licence terms. i thought the same at first, but actually that's not the case. The user is still asked (by the package) if she wants to accept the licence. (As no preseeding takes place.) So there is only the issue of having the firmwares accessable in the first place, which should be preseeded/preseedable just like using non-free. cheers, Holger P.S.: should this be moved to a proper bug? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
[Frans Pop] I think the problem with that is that including the firmware on the CD in the first place is in contradiction with Debian's current policy not to include firmware in the distribution. The current firmware support is very explicitly limited to support loading from external media *prepared by the user*. Well, the use case I am working on would be identical for a user who prepared a CD or DVD, so I believe it should work the same way with CDs and USB sticks. :) An additional issue with non-free firmware is that including it in the way you propose would (I think) mean it will get loaded without any prompting of the user, which may in some cases violate licence terms. Perhaps. I have not gotten to a point where I can test what happen. I believe the .deb will be installed normally into /target/ and display the license question at that point, but do not know yet. :) I can see that others may want to do things differently, but I'm not sure how much we can/should support that in standard D-I functionality. I'm working on a patch for hw-detect. One option you have is to implement a custom, alternative version of 'mountmedia' for d-edu. Actually, something causes main-menu to crash if I adjust mountmedia to return CD devices too, so I suspect it is better to adjust check-missing-firmware to also look in /cdrom/firmware/ for debs. This is the approach I am testing at the moment. Anyone know how the PXE installation can be adjusted to load firmware automatically from the .debs? I want servers with network cards needing firmware to work with PXE installation. :) Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100316114835.gc4...@login1.uio.no
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
On Tuesday 16 March 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: On Dienstag, 16. März 2010, Frans Pop wrote: An additional issue with non-free firmware is that including it in the way you propose would (I think) mean it will get loaded without any prompting of the user, which may in some cases violate licence terms. i thought the same at first, but actually that's not the case. The user is still asked (by the package) if she wants to accept the licence. (As no preseeding takes place.) But that's only at the point where the package gets installed in the target system. And at that point the firmware is already in use. IMO a proper solution would ensure the licence dialog gets displayed before the firmware first gets loaded by the installer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003161350.45073.elen...@planet.nl
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
On Tuesday 16 March 2010, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: Actually, something causes main-menu to crash if I adjust mountmedia to return CD devices too, so I suspect it is better to adjust check-missing-firmware to also look in /cdrom/firmware/ for debs. Probably because the CD is already mounted and in use and mountmedia messes that up? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003161352.30877.elen...@planet.nl
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
[Holger Levsen] P.S.: should this be moved to a proper bug? Yes. Patch for hw-detect submitted in #574116. Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100316124952.ge4...@login1.uio.no
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
Frans Pop wrote: On Tuesday 16 March 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: On Dienstag, 16. März 2010, Frans Pop wrote: An additional issue with non-free firmware is that including it in the way you propose would (I think) mean it will get loaded without any prompting of the user, which may in some cases violate licence terms. i thought the same at first, but actually that's not the case. The user is still asked (by the package) if she wants to accept the licence. (As no preseeding takes place.) But that's only at the point where the package gets installed in the target system. And at that point the firmware is already in use. I checked, and the assumption that the firmware deb's debconf prompt is displayed seems to be untrue: hw-detect.post-base-installer.d/50install-firmware: for deb in /var/cache/firmware/*.deb; do if [ -f $deb ]; then cp -a $deb /target/tmp # TODO debconf passthrough if ! in-target dpkg -i /tmp/$(basename $deb); then # dpkg failed, force removal of package in-target dpkg --force-depends --remove $(deb_package $deb) || true fi in-target does not provide debconf passthrough, and apt-install cannot be used here. To use debconf passthrough here would require ripping the passthrough setup code out of debconf-apt-progress, It might be more expedient to make a pkgsel hook that uses apt-install to re-download and install the firmware debs. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
[Joey Hess] That source package does not contain all available firmware, FWIW. You're missing at least zd1211-firmware and atmel-firmware. debian-cd has a list in tasks/firmware. Btw, tasks/firmware refer to the non-existing package firmware-ipw3945. Did it change name, go away or is it planned introduced in the future? Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100315065237.gp11...@login2.uio.no
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
On Monday 15 March 2010, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: That source package does not contain all available firmware, FWIW. You're missing at least zd1211-firmware and atmel-firmware. debian-cd has a list in tasks/firmware. Btw, tasks/firmware refer to the non-existing package firmware-ipw3945. Did it change name, go away or is it planned introduced in the future? The answer to that question is simple enough to find with either a quick look at packages.d.o, or simply: $ rmadison firmware-ipw3945 firmware-ipw3945 |0.4 | etch-m68k/non-free | all firmware-ipw3945 | 0.4+etchnhalf.1 | oldstable/non-free | all The firmware task should probably be made release-specific... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003150834.41461.elen...@planet.nl
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
[Joey Hess] The problem with making hw-detect look in pool/ is that it does not know what debs contain firmware. It assumes there will not be too many debs in the places it looks, and so it examines them all, unpacking them to find ones that contain the firmware files. If it also looked in pool/, it would unpack every deb on the CD, which would be horribly slow. Right. Perhaps hw-detect should be told? A mechanism like the ones used by iceweasel plugins, adding information to the packages, might work. For example the gnash plugin contain this info: Xb-Npp-Applications: ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384,92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a,aa5ca914-c309-495d-91cf-3141bbb04115 Xb-Npp-MimeType: application/x-shockwave-flash Xb-Npp-Name: Gnash SWF Player Why not add the name of the firmware file included in the deb using a similar mechanism, and teach hw-detect to search for it? That source package does not contain all available firmware, FWIW. You're missing at least zd1211-firmware and atmel-firmware. debian-cd has a list in tasks/firmware. Thank you. I'll try to make sure we include the complete list on the Debian Edu CD and DVD. :) Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100314210147.go11...@login2.uio.no
