Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [ removing debian-devel which is not really necessary but added > debian-boot ] > > Quoting Goswin von Brederlow: > > Test and pre kernels could be kept in sid exclusively. > > They could, but for the moment they aren't and I have to live up with > that. :) > > > For non i386 the list of kernels differs widely between archs. > > Yes I address the problem only for i386. But I bet the problem is less > serious for other arches because they don't have so frequent uploads of > kernels, aren't they ? None have that many flavours and fewer versions too. > > The first CD should have only one version, the one used in D-I, but as > > many flavours as possible without overcrowding. All other versions > > could be on later CDs. People might want a 2.2.x kernel or need a > > 2.6.0 kernel for their hardware. > > debian-installer doesn't use 2.4.24 yet, does that mean that I broke > d-i by excluding the other kernels from the CDs ? Is that's true, > couldn't d-i be a bit more clueful and install the latest > kernel-image-2.4.x package that it finds ? > > Cheers, > -- > Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com > Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com > Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org D-I should preferably install the kernel image its booted with. We know that one works. I think its looking at uname to figure out the version to look for at runtime. MfG Goswin
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [ removing debian-devel which is not really necessary but added > debian-boot ] > > Quoting Goswin von Brederlow: > > Test and pre kernels could be kept in sid exclusively. > > They could, but for the moment they aren't and I have to live up with > that. :) > > > For non i386 the list of kernels differs widely between archs. > > Yes I address the problem only for i386. But I bet the problem is less > serious for other arches because they don't have so frequent uploads of > kernels, aren't they ? None have that many flavours and fewer versions too. > > The first CD should have only one version, the one used in D-I, but as > > many flavours as possible without overcrowding. All other versions > > could be on later CDs. People might want a 2.2.x kernel or need a > > 2.6.0 kernel for their hardware. > > debian-installer doesn't use 2.4.24 yet, does that mean that I broke > d-i by excluding the other kernels from the CDs ? Is that's true, > couldn't d-i be a bit more clueful and install the latest > kernel-image-2.4.x package that it finds ? > > Cheers, > -- > Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com > Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com > Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org D-I should preferably install the kernel image its booted with. We know that one works. I think its looking at uname to figure out the version to look for at runtime. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > debian-installer doesn't use 2.4.24 yet It does as of last Tuesday. > does that mean that I broke > d-i by excluding the other kernels from the CDs ? Is that's true, > couldn't d-i be a bit more clueful and install the latest > kernel-image-2.4.x package that it finds ? d-i is fairly robust in this area actually. It prefers to use kernel-image-2.4- and those always depend on the most recent image. If that's not available, it will instead use a hardcoded kernel version (currently 2.4.22-1-386, but I just changed it to 2.4.24-1-396), and if that is not available, it will use the most recent version of the kernel it can find. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > debian-installer doesn't use 2.4.24 yet It does as of last Tuesday. > does that mean that I broke > d-i by excluding the other kernels from the CDs ? Is that's true, > couldn't d-i be a bit more clueful and install the latest > kernel-image-2.4.x package that it finds ? d-i is fairly robust in this area actually. It prefers to use kernel-image-2.4- and those always depend on the most recent image. If that's not available, it will instead use a hardcoded kernel version (currently 2.4.22-1-386, but I just changed it to 2.4.24-1-396), and if that is not available, it will use the most recent version of the kernel it can find. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
[ removing debian-devel which is not really necessary but added debian-boot ] Quoting Goswin von Brederlow: > Test and pre kernels could be kept in sid exclusively. They could, but for the moment they aren't and I have to live up with that. :) > For non i386 the list of kernels differs widely between archs. Yes I address the problem only for i386. But I bet the problem is less serious for other arches because they don't have so frequent uploads of kernels, aren't they ? > The first CD should have only one version, the one used in D-I, but as > many flavours as possible without overcrowding. All other versions > could be on later CDs. People might want a 2.2.x kernel or need a > 2.6.0 kernel for their hardware. debian-installer doesn't use 2.4.24 yet, does that mean that I broke d-i by excluding the other kernels from the CDs ? Is that's true, couldn't d-i be a bit more clueful and install the latest kernel-image-2.4.x package that it finds ? Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
[ removing debian-devel which is not really necessary but added debian-boot ] Quoting Goswin von Brederlow: > Test and pre kernels could be kept in sid exclusively. They could, but for the moment they aren't and I have to live up with that. :) > For non i386 the list of kernels differs widely between archs. Yes I address the problem only for i386. But I bet the problem is less serious for other arches because they don't have so frequent uploads of kernels, aren't they ? > The first CD should have only one version, the one used in D-I, but as > many flavours as possible without overcrowding. All other versions > could be on later CDs. People might want a 2.2.x kernel or need a > 2.6.0 kernel for their hardware. debian-installer doesn't use 2.4.24 yet, does that mean that I broke d-i by excluding the other kernels from the CDs ? Is that's true, couldn't d-i be a bit more clueful and install the latest kernel-image-2.4.x package that it finds ? Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Quoting Adam Majer: > > I agree. This is crazzy. But how the heck do you get this? > > > > > kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs - ~22 Mb > > > kernel-image-2.4.22-i386 - ~78 Mb > > > [...] > > So even if you had 8 kernels, that would be 80M. To occupy most of the > > disk, I think you'll need more than 25 kernels.. > > We have many kernels, here's the list that I excluded yesterday evening: > kernel-image-2.6.0-test11-1-386 > kernel-image-2.6.0-test9-1-386 Test and pre kernels could be kept in sid exclusively. > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-386 > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-586tsc > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-686 > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-686-smp > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k6 > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7 > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7-smp kernel-source-2.4.20 is needed for m68k, keep that on some cd. And e.g. kernel-image-2.4.20-amiga. For non i386 the list of kernels differs widely between archs. > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-386 > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-586tsc > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-686 > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-686-smp > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k6 > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k7 > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k7-smp > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386 > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-586tsc > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686-smp > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k6 > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7-smp > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-386 > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-586tsc > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686 > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686-smp > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k6 > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7 > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7-smp > > That makes ~30 kernels. I kept 2.4.24* and 2.6.0-1*. > > > Anyway, the number of kernel on the CDs should be reduced anyway. > > We should only have the i386 version and let people build their > > own variants if they choose to (or DL from mirrors). > > No, IIRC debian-installer installs the good one depending on /proc/cpu. So > we'd better keep all the variants on the first CD. But we should definitely > stick to one version of the kernel. > > Cheers, The first CD should have only one version, the one used in D-I, but as many flavours as possible without overcrowding. All other versions could be on later CDs. People might want a 2.2.x kernel or need a 2.6.0 kernel for their hardware. MfG Goswin
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Quoting Adam Majer: > > I agree. This is crazzy. But how the heck do you get this? > > > > > kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs - ~22 Mb > > > kernel-image-2.4.22-i386 - ~78 Mb > > > [...] > > So even if you had 8 kernels, that would be 80M. To occupy most of the > > disk, I think you'll need more than 25 kernels.. > > We have many kernels, here's the list that I excluded yesterday evening: > kernel-image-2.6.0-test11-1-386 > kernel-image-2.6.0-test9-1-386 Test and pre kernels could be kept in sid exclusively. > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-386 > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-586tsc > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-686 > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-686-smp > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k6 > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7 > kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7-smp kernel-source-2.4.20 is needed for m68k, keep that on some cd. And e.g. kernel-image-2.4.20-amiga. For non i386 the list of kernels differs widely between archs. > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-386 > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-586tsc > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-686 > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-686-smp > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k6 > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k7 > kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k7-smp > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386 > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-586tsc > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686-smp > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k6 > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7-smp > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-386 > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-586tsc > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686 > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686-smp > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k6 > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7 > kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7-smp > > That makes ~30 kernels. I kept 2.4.24* and 2.6.0-1*. > > > Anyway, the number of kernel on the CDs should be reduced anyway. > > We should only have the i386 version and let people build their > > own variants if they choose to (or DL from mirrors). > > No, IIRC debian-installer installs the good one depending on /proc/cpu. So > we'd better keep all the variants on the first CD. But we should definitely > stick to one version of the kernel. > > Cheers, The first CD should have only one version, the one used in D-I, but as many flavours as possible without overcrowding. All other versions could be on later CDs. People might want a 2.2.x kernel or need a 2.6.0 kernel for their hardware. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 07:07:56AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Right, I noticed that yesterday evening as well. It has been a long time > since I last generated a few images myself... > > This I just corrected that by adding the corresponding kernel images to > the tasks/exclude-sarge file. I only kept 2.4.24-1 and 2.6.0-1 (2.6.1 > doesn't seem to be in testing yet). 2.6.1 is not in unstable yet, either. Really, these kernel images must be removed from the archive entirely, not just excluded from the CDs. Then the CD problem would solve itself. We cannot support these old kernels anyway. -- - mdz
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 07:07:56AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Right, I noticed that yesterday evening as well. It has been a long time > since I last generated a few images myself... > > This I just corrected that by adding the corresponding kernel images to > the tasks/exclude-sarge file. I only kept 2.4.24-1 and 2.6.0-1 (2.6.1 > doesn't seem to be in testing yet). 2.6.1 is not in unstable yet, either. Really, these kernel images must be removed from the archive entirely, not just excluded from the CDs. Then the CD problem would solve itself. We cannot support these old kernels anyway. -- - mdz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
Quoting Adam Majer: > I agree. This is crazzy. But how the heck do you get this? > > > kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs - ~22 Mb > > kernel-image-2.4.22-i386 - ~78 Mb > [...] > So even if you had 8 kernels, that would be 80M. To occupy most of the > disk, I think you'll need more than 25 kernels.. We have many kernels, here's the list that I excluded yesterday evening: kernel-image-2.6.0-test11-1-386 kernel-image-2.6.0-test9-1-386 kernel-image-2.4.20-3-386 kernel-image-2.4.20-3-586tsc kernel-image-2.4.20-3-686 kernel-image-2.4.20-3-686-smp kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k6 kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7 kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7-smp kernel-image-2.4.21-5-386 kernel-image-2.4.21-5-586tsc kernel-image-2.4.21-5-686 kernel-image-2.4.21-5-686-smp kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k6 kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k7 kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k7-smp kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386 kernel-image-2.4.22-1-586tsc kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686-smp kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k6 kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7-smp kernel-image-2.4.23-1-386 kernel-image-2.4.23-1-586tsc kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686 kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686-smp kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k6 kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7 kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7-smp That makes ~30 kernels. I kept 2.4.24* and 2.6.0-1*. > Anyway, the number of kernel on the CDs should be reduced anyway. > We should only have the i386 version and let people build their > own variants if they choose to (or DL from mirrors). No, IIRC debian-installer installs the good one depending on /proc/cpu. So we'd better keep all the variants on the first CD. But we should definitely stick to one version of the kernel. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
Quoting Adam Majer: > I agree. This is crazzy. But how the heck do you get this? > > > kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs - ~22 Mb > > kernel-image-2.4.22-i386 - ~78 Mb > [...] > So even if you had 8 kernels, that would be 80M. To occupy most of the > disk, I think you'll need more than 25 kernels.. We have many kernels, here's the list that I excluded yesterday evening: kernel-image-2.6.0-test11-1-386 kernel-image-2.6.0-test9-1-386 kernel-image-2.4.20-3-386 kernel-image-2.4.20-3-586tsc kernel-image-2.4.20-3-686 kernel-image-2.4.20-3-686-smp kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k6 kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7 kernel-image-2.4.20-3-k7-smp kernel-image-2.4.21-5-386 kernel-image-2.4.21-5-586tsc kernel-image-2.4.21-5-686 kernel-image-2.4.21-5-686-smp kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k6 kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k7 kernel-image-2.4.21-5-k7-smp kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386 kernel-image-2.4.22-1-586tsc kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686-smp kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k6 kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7-smp kernel-image-2.4.23-1-386 kernel-image-2.4.23-1-586tsc kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686 kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686-smp kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k6 kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7 kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7-smp That makes ~30 kernels. I kept 2.4.24* and 2.6.0-1*. > Anyway, the number of kernel on the CDs should be reduced anyway. > We should only have the i386 version and let people build their > own variants if they choose to (or DL from mirrors). No, IIRC debian-installer installs the good one depending on /proc/cpu. So we'd better keep all the variants on the first CD. But we should definitely stick to one version of the kernel. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 02:22:12AM +0200, AKL. Mantas Kriauciunas wrote: I agree. This is crazzy. But how the heck do you get this? > kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs - ~22 Mb > kernel-image-2.4.22-i386 - ~78 Mb I'm just looking at the 2.4.24-1-k7 Size: 11266 or 11M Installed size: 30508 kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs-386 (2.4.22-3-2) Size: 10480.5 or 10M Installed size: 27012 So even if you had 8 kernels, that would be 80M. To occupy most of the disk, I think you'll need more than 25 kernels.. Anyway, the number of kernel on the CDs should be reduced anyway. We should only have the i386 version and let people build their own variants if they choose to (or DL from mirrors). - Adam
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
Hi, Quoting AKL. Mantas Kriauciunas: > week I'm downloading first 3 CD's at work and upgrading my work and home > Linux system's. And I noticed, that there are fewer and fewer usefull > packages in first Debian CD's :( My patience is running out with latest > version of Official debian sarge CD's - now various kernel images uses > about 480 MB in first Sarge CD and about 100 Mb in second CD. Because of > this there are only 155 MB of other packages in first CD :( Right, I noticed that yesterday evening as well. It has been a long time since I last generated a few images myself... This I just corrected that by adding the corresponding kernel images to the tasks/exclude-sarge file. I only kept 2.4.24-1 and 2.6.0-1 (2.6.1 doesn't seem to be in testing yet). Please understand that the process of selecting which packages goes on which CD can't be 100% automatic thus humans have to show how things are going and give appropriate overrides/hints to debian-cd. Because of the kernel images CD image 1 had only 340 packages instead of about 1000... BTW, I also suggest to use NORECOMMENDS=1 because otherwise you get too many packages included just because of a Recommends on a virtual package (this includes all the packages that provide the given virtual package). There's no need to file a bug against debian-cd, the shortcoming is well known, but sending mails like the one you did does help when you notice that an override would be welcome. Manty, can you update debian-cd on gluck so that images are better ? Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 02:22:12AM +0200, AKL. Mantas Kriauciunas wrote: I agree. This is crazzy. But how the heck do you get this? > kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs - ~22 Mb > kernel-image-2.4.22-i386 - ~78 Mb I'm just looking at the 2.4.24-1-k7 Size: 11266 or 11M Installed size: 30508 kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs-386 (2.4.22-3-2) Size: 10480.5 or 10M Installed size: 27012 So even if you had 8 kernels, that would be 80M. To occupy most of the disk, I think you'll need more than 25 kernels.. Anyway, the number of kernel on the CDs should be reduced anyway. We should only have the i386 version and let people build their own variants if they choose to (or DL from mirrors). - Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(
Hi, Quoting AKL. Mantas Kriauciunas: > week I'm downloading first 3 CD's at work and upgrading my work and home > Linux system's. And I noticed, that there are fewer and fewer usefull > packages in first Debian CD's :( My patience is running out with latest > version of Official debian sarge CD's - now various kernel images uses > about 480 MB in first Sarge CD and about 100 Mb in second CD. Because of > this there are only 155 MB of other packages in first CD :( Right, I noticed that yesterday evening as well. It has been a long time since I last generated a few images myself... This I just corrected that by adding the corresponding kernel images to the tasks/exclude-sarge file. I only kept 2.4.24-1 and 2.6.0-1 (2.6.1 doesn't seem to be in testing yet). Please understand that the process of selecting which packages goes on which CD can't be 100% automatic thus humans have to show how things are going and give appropriate overrides/hints to debian-cd. Because of the kernel images CD image 1 had only 340 packages instead of about 1000... BTW, I also suggest to use NORECOMMENDS=1 because otherwise you get too many packages included just because of a Recommends on a virtual package (this includes all the packages that provide the given virtual package). There's no need to file a bug against debian-cd, the shortcoming is well known, but sending mails like the one you did does help when you notice that an override would be welcome. Manty, can you update debian-cd on gluck so that images are better ? Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
