Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 06:24:04AM +0200, Peter Mann wrote:
> > Who/what decides what packages go onto it?
>
> How about "Press any key if you want boot from CD" for about 3
> seconds ???
>
> This is IMHO good function, if I forget CD media in machine with bios setting
> for boot from cd-rom first - if I really need boot from cd, then i press
> some key ...
Er, my question wasn't about that...
> > I'm asking because some of the fairly popular programs that I use are
> > missing from it: zsh, elinks, joe -- none of these reasonably small packages
> > are on it, whereas there's atlas2-{base,3dnow} which are larger than all of
> > the three of those former combined!
>
> i need postfix on first cd (now missing on woody first cd)
You would be happy to know that...
% grep -i postfix sarge-i386-*.jigdo
sarge-i386-1.jigdo:p5PtirOXtl0YRaw1aKWTBg=Debian:pool/main/p/postfix/postfix_1.1.11.0-3_i386.deb
sarge-i386-3.jigdo:OVnNsnQulpdbCmj9e4F6BA=Debian:pool/main/p/postfix/postfix-tls_1.1.11.0-3_i386.deb
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Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 06:24:04AM +0200, Peter Mann wrote:
> > Who/what decides what packages go onto it?
>
> How about "Press any key if you want boot from CD" for about 3
> seconds ???
>
> This is IMHO good function, if I forget CD media in machine with bios setting
> for boot from cd-rom first - if I really need boot from cd, then i press
> some key ...
Er, my question wasn't about that...
> > I'm asking because some of the fairly popular programs that I use are
> > missing from it: zsh, elinks, joe -- none of these reasonably small packages
> > are on it, whereas there's atlas2-{base,3dnow} which are larger than all of
> > the three of those former combined!
>
> i need postfix on first cd (now missing on woody first cd)
You would be happy to know that...
% grep -i postfix sarge-i386-*.jigdo
sarge-i386-1.jigdo:p5PtirOXtl0YRaw1aKWTBg=Debian:pool/main/p/postfix/postfix_1.1.11.0-3_i386.deb
sarge-i386-3.jigdo:OVnNsnQulpdbCmj9e4F6BA=Debian:pool/main/p/postfix/postfix-tls_1.1.11.0-3_i386.deb
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Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:30:07PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> Who/what decides what packages go onto it?
How about "Press any key if you want boot from CD" for about 3
seconds ???
This is IMHO good function, if I forget CD media in machine with bios setting
for boot from cd-rom first - if I really need boot from cd, then i press
some key ...
> I'm asking because some of the fairly popular programs that I use are
> missing from it: zsh, elinks, joe -- none of these reasonably small packages
> are on it, whereas there's atlas2-{base,3dnow} which are larger than all of
> the three of those former combined!
i need postfix on first cd (now missing on woody first cd)
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Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:30:07PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> Who/what decides what packages go onto it?
How about "Press any key if you want boot from CD" for about 3
seconds ???
This is IMHO good function, if I forget CD media in machine with bios setting
for boot from cd-rom first - if I really need boot from cd, then i press
some key ...
> I'm asking because some of the fairly popular programs that I use are
> missing from it: zsh, elinks, joe -- none of these reasonably small packages
> are on it, whereas there's atlas2-{base,3dnow} which are larger than all of
> the three of those former combined!
i need postfix on first cd (now missing on woody first cd)
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Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
Le Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 12:31:43AM +0200, Santiago Garcia Mantinan écrivait: > BTW, I was wondering if we should also use SECURED=1 or not :-? Well, it doesn't seem necessary to me until apt has real support for checking the signatures. It also takes more space than needed. So leave it out for the moment. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
Le Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 12:31:43AM +0200, Santiago Garcia Mantinan écrivait: > BTW, I was wondering if we should also use SECURED=1 or not :-? Well, it doesn't seem necessary to me until apt has real support for checking the signatures. It also takes more space than needed. So leave it out for the moment. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 12:31:43AM +0200, Santiago Garcia Mantinan wrote: > > It doesn't "fail", it's probably just not used by the scripts run on > > gluck... Santiago could you please use exclude-sarge and > > unexclude-CD2-sarge in the build on gluck ? > > I have added that on the conf and have started rebuilding i386 cds right > now. Actually, the aspell-* list in exclude-sarge was incomplete. I've just committed the update, and will see how it goes (turns out I do have the 6GB necessary to do this on ftp.hr.d.o). > I wouldn't mind applying any patches on gluck to the usual builds, so if > Josip wants to commit them and drop me a note telling me to apply them or if > he wants to send me the patches diretly I'll gladly apply them. Just cvs update regularly I guess? I'll be committing stuff after I test it. I won't be able to actually burn it while on vacation, but I trust the sanity checks will prevent anything out of the ordinary from happenning. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
> It doesn't "fail", it's probably just not used by the scripts run on > gluck... Santiago could you please use exclude-sarge and > unexclude-CD2-sarge in the build on gluck ? I have added that on the conf and have started rebuilding i386 cds right now. BTW, I was wondering if we should also use SECURED=1 or not :-? > I'd be glad if you could make a real proposition (ie a patch) > of what to remove from CD1 and put on CD2, etc. I wouldn't mind applying any patches on gluck to the usual builds, so if Josip wants to commit them and drop me a note telling me to apply them or if he wants to send me the patches diretly I'll gladly apply them. Regards... -- Manty/BestiaTester -> http://manty.net
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 12:31:43AM +0200, Santiago Garcia Mantinan wrote: > > It doesn't "fail", it's probably just not used by the scripts run on > > gluck... Santiago could you please use exclude-sarge and > > unexclude-CD2-sarge in the build on gluck ? > > I have added that on the conf and have started rebuilding i386 cds right > now. Actually, the aspell-* list in exclude-sarge was incomplete. I've just committed the update, and will see how it goes (turns out I do have the 6GB necessary to do this on ftp.hr.d.o). > I wouldn't mind applying any patches on gluck to the usual builds, so if > Josip wants to commit them and drop me a note telling me to apply them or if > he wants to send me the patches diretly I'll gladly apply them. Just cvs update regularly I guess? I'll be committing stuff after I test it. I won't be able to actually burn it while on vacation, but I trust the sanity checks will prevent anything out of the ordinary from happenning. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
> It doesn't "fail", it's probably just not used by the scripts run on > gluck... Santiago could you please use exclude-sarge and > unexclude-CD2-sarge in the build on gluck ? I have added that on the conf and have started rebuilding i386 cds right now. BTW, I was wondering if we should also use SECURED=1 or not :-? > I'd be glad if you could make a real proposition (ie a patch) > of what to remove from CD1 and put on CD2, etc. I wouldn't mind applying any patches on gluck to the usual builds, so if Josip wants to commit them and drop me a note telling me to apply them or if he wants to send me the patches diretly I'll gladly apply them. Regards... -- Manty/BestiaTester -> http://manty.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:16:54PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > Also there are some real gems on the first CD: > > > > I'd be glad if you could make a real proposition (ie a patch) > > of what to remove from CD1 and put on CD2, etc. > > I was thinking of exactly the same, but I first need to set everything up > on my mirror machine to be able to test this. + '[' '!' -e cdrom-image.img ']' + '[' '!' -e cdrom-initrd.gz ']' + '[' '!' -e cdrom144-image.img ']' + '[' '!' -e cdrom144-initrd.gz ']' + '[' '!' -e net-image.img ']' + wget -q http://people.debian.org/~tfheen/d-i/images/daily/net-image.img make: *** [/bla/ftp.hr.debian.org/debian-cd/test/tmp/sarge-i386/bootable-stamp] Error 1 Where can this netboot .img be found? Tollef? (gotta hate wget's logging. #141323, #144076, #158642, ...) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:04:38PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Also there are some real gems on the first CD: > > I'd be glad if you could make a real proposition (ie a patch) > of what to remove from CD1 and put on CD2, etc. I was thinking of exactly the same, but I first need to set everything up on my mirror machine to be able to test this. The requirement of being able to write into the mirror sounds pretty stupid... I don't want to fuck up ftp.hr.d.o while blithely testing :) > Of course what this does mean is that the popularity contest has no > influence on CD1 but just on CD2/3-8 ... Not as far as I can see? And it would be a bad thing to strive for, really, because tasks aren't the end-all of package selection, far from it. > Anne Bezemer used to do that kind of work in the past, and there's a > kind of gap to fill there ... so if someone is willing to volunteer... I'll definitely see what I can do. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
Le Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:40:42AM +0200, Josip Rodin écrivait: > So atlas2* gets in because it's in some scientific task package, is that > what you're saying? yes. > And aterm, powershell, original-awk...? None of those > are nearly as popular as those three things I mentioned (standard popcon > disclaimers apply), and yet they all got onto the first CD. > > And judging by what you are saying, some of those things are simply buggy. > The exclude file tries to kill off a lot of the aspell-* packages and fails: It doesn't "fail", it's probably just not used by the scripts run on gluck... Santiago could you please use exclude-sarge and unexclude-CD2-sarge in the build on gluck ? > Also there are some real gems on the first CD: I'd be glad if you could make a real proposition (ie a patch) of what to remove from CD1 and put on CD2, etc. > (and yes, I realize that _some_ of the above is in tasks, but still) Anyway tasks don't fit together on the same CD, that's why we created two task file ... one for the "important" ones and the other ones for the less important one. Of course what this does mean is that the popularity contest has no influence on CD1 but just on CD2/3-8 ... Anne Bezemer used to do that kind of work in the past, and there's a kind of gap to fill there ... so if someone is willing to volunteer... Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:16:54PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > Also there are some real gems on the first CD: > > > > I'd be glad if you could make a real proposition (ie a patch) > > of what to remove from CD1 and put on CD2, etc. > > I was thinking of exactly the same, but I first need to set everything up > on my mirror machine to be able to test this. + '[' '!' -e cdrom-image.img ']' + '[' '!' -e cdrom-initrd.gz ']' + '[' '!' -e cdrom144-image.img ']' + '[' '!' -e cdrom144-initrd.gz ']' + '[' '!' -e net-image.img ']' + wget -q http://people.debian.org/~tfheen/d-i/images/daily/net-image.img make: *** [/bla/ftp.hr.debian.org/debian-cd/test/tmp/sarge-i386/bootable-stamp] Error 1 Where can this netboot .img be found? Tollef? (gotta hate wget's logging. #141323, #144076, #158642, ...) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:04:38PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Also there are some real gems on the first CD: > > I'd be glad if you could make a real proposition (ie a patch) > of what to remove from CD1 and put on CD2, etc. I was thinking of exactly the same, but I first need to set everything up on my mirror machine to be able to test this. The requirement of being able to write into the mirror sounds pretty stupid... I don't want to fuck up ftp.hr.d.o while blithely testing :) > Of course what this does mean is that the popularity contest has no > influence on CD1 but just on CD2/3-8 ... Not as far as I can see? And it would be a bad thing to strive for, really, because tasks aren't the end-all of package selection, far from it. > Anne Bezemer used to do that kind of work in the past, and there's a > kind of gap to fill there ... so if someone is willing to volunteer... I'll definitely see what I can do. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
Le Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 10:40:42AM +0200, Josip Rodin écrivait: > So atlas2* gets in because it's in some scientific task package, is that > what you're saying? yes. > And aterm, powershell, original-awk...? None of those > are nearly as popular as those three things I mentioned (standard popcon > disclaimers apply), and yet they all got onto the first CD. > > And judging by what you are saying, some of those things are simply buggy. > The exclude file tries to kill off a lot of the aspell-* packages and fails: It doesn't "fail", it's probably just not used by the scripts run on gluck... Santiago could you please use exclude-sarge and unexclude-CD2-sarge in the build on gluck ? > Also there are some real gems on the first CD: I'd be glad if you could make a real proposition (ie a patch) of what to remove from CD1 and put on CD2, etc. > (and yes, I realize that _some_ of the above is in tasks, but still) Anyway tasks don't fit together on the same CD, that's why we created two task file ... one for the "important" ones and the other ones for the less important one. Of course what this does mean is that the popularity contest has no influence on CD1 but just on CD2/3-8 ... Anne Bezemer used to do that kind of work in the past, and there's a kind of gap to fill there ... so if someone is willing to volunteer... Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:40:20AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > I burned a sarge-i386-1.iso the other day using Jigdo from gluck. > > Who/what decides what packages go onto it? > > It's a complex algorithm. :) Basically, just check tasks/Debian_sarge > as a starting point. > > We try to include on the first CD all packages listed in a "Task" > (tasks/task-essential-sarge, tasks/task-full-sarge), all > packages required by debootstrap (tasks/base-sarge), > and generally speaking the most common packages (as defined by the > popularity contest, tasks/popularity-contest-sarge). > > On the other hand we have an exclude mechanism because some packages > get included for other reasons (standard priority for example) and we > don't want them on the first CD (tasks/exclude-sarge) but they may > be reintegrated somewhere else (tasks/unexclude-CD2-sarge). Those two > "features" need some specific environment variables set at build time > and thus those files may have been not used to build the sarge image > available ... > > We also have a custom "must-have" list: tasks/forcd1 So atlas2* gets in because it's in some scientific task package, is that what you're saying? And aterm, powershell, original-awk...? None of those are nearly as popular as those three things I mentioned (standard popcon disclaimers apply), and yet they all got onto the first CD. And judging by what you are saying, some of those things are simply buggy. The exclude file tries to kill off a lot of the aspell-* packages and fails: 1228 aspell-br 4328 aspell-en 9244 aspell-cy 12832 aspell-de 14608 aspell-da 17220 aspell-el 28612 aspell-bg Whereas, there's no kernel-source for 2.4 on the first CD. I mean, how could it possibly fit... :o) Also there are some real gems on the first CD: 87956 xserver-xfree86-dbg 15440 kernel-source-2.2.20 5427 syslinux 6744 python2.2 5148 python2.1 5012 xspecs 3718 stl-manual 3364 zmailer 3056 xvfb 3012 multi-gnome-terminal-doc 1424 smail (the point with python* is that there shouldn't be two of them, of course) (and yes, I realize that _some_ of the above is in tasks, but still) I got bored at this point... but there's smaller stuff that's so amazingly niche that I'm almost impressed, like "cronosii", "cmail" or "vserver", just to name a few. Note also that the popularity-contest data in CVS is 9 months old. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. Please Cc: replies to me.
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
Le Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:30:07PM +0200, Josip Rodin écrivait: > Hi, > > I burned a sarge-i386-1.iso the other day using Jigdo from gluck. > Who/what decides what packages go onto it? It's a complex algorithm. :) Basically, just check tasks/Debian_sarge as a starting point. We try to include on the first CD all packages listed in a "Task" (tasks/task-essential-sarge, tasks/task-full-sarge), all packages required by debootstrap (tasks/base-sarge), and generally speaking the most common packages (as defined by the popularity contest, tasks/popularity-contest-sarge). On the other hand we have an exclude mechanism because some packages get included for other reasons (standard priority for example) and we don't want them on the first CD (tasks/exclude-sarge) but they may be reintegrated somewhere else (tasks/unexclude-CD2-sarge). Those two "features" need some specific environment variables set at build time and thus those files may have been not used to build the sarge image available ... We also have a custom "must-have" list: tasks/forcd1 Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 08:40:20AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > I burned a sarge-i386-1.iso the other day using Jigdo from gluck. > > Who/what decides what packages go onto it? > > It's a complex algorithm. :) Basically, just check tasks/Debian_sarge > as a starting point. > > We try to include on the first CD all packages listed in a "Task" > (tasks/task-essential-sarge, tasks/task-full-sarge), all > packages required by debootstrap (tasks/base-sarge), > and generally speaking the most common packages (as defined by the > popularity contest, tasks/popularity-contest-sarge). > > On the other hand we have an exclude mechanism because some packages > get included for other reasons (standard priority for example) and we > don't want them on the first CD (tasks/exclude-sarge) but they may > be reintegrated somewhere else (tasks/unexclude-CD2-sarge). Those two > "features" need some specific environment variables set at build time > and thus those files may have been not used to build the sarge image > available ... > > We also have a custom "must-have" list: tasks/forcd1 So atlas2* gets in because it's in some scientific task package, is that what you're saying? And aterm, powershell, original-awk...? None of those are nearly as popular as those three things I mentioned (standard popcon disclaimers apply), and yet they all got onto the first CD. And judging by what you are saying, some of those things are simply buggy. The exclude file tries to kill off a lot of the aspell-* packages and fails: 1228 aspell-br 4328 aspell-en 9244 aspell-cy 12832 aspell-de 14608 aspell-da 17220 aspell-el 28612 aspell-bg Whereas, there's no kernel-source for 2.4 on the first CD. I mean, how could it possibly fit... :o) Also there are some real gems on the first CD: 87956 xserver-xfree86-dbg 15440 kernel-source-2.2.20 5427 syslinux 6744 python2.2 5148 python2.1 5012 xspecs 3718 stl-manual 3364 zmailer 3056 xvfb 3012 multi-gnome-terminal-doc 1424 smail (the point with python* is that there shouldn't be two of them, of course) (and yes, I realize that _some_ of the above is in tasks, but still) I got bored at this point... but there's smaller stuff that's so amazingly niche that I'm almost impressed, like "cronosii", "cmail" or "vserver", just to name a few. Note also that the popularity-contest data in CVS is 9 months old. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. Please Cc: replies to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: contents of the first sarge CD image
Le Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:30:07PM +0200, Josip Rodin écrivait: > Hi, > > I burned a sarge-i386-1.iso the other day using Jigdo from gluck. > Who/what decides what packages go onto it? It's a complex algorithm. :) Basically, just check tasks/Debian_sarge as a starting point. We try to include on the first CD all packages listed in a "Task" (tasks/task-essential-sarge, tasks/task-full-sarge), all packages required by debootstrap (tasks/base-sarge), and generally speaking the most common packages (as defined by the popularity contest, tasks/popularity-contest-sarge). On the other hand we have an exclude mechanism because some packages get included for other reasons (standard priority for example) and we don't want them on the first CD (tasks/exclude-sarge) but they may be reintegrated somewhere else (tasks/unexclude-CD2-sarge). Those two "features" need some specific environment variables set at build time and thus those files may have been not used to build the sarge image available ... We also have a custom "must-have" list: tasks/forcd1 Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog -+- http://www.ouaza.com Formation Linux et logiciel libre : http://www.logidee.com Earn money with free software: http://www.geniustrader.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
