Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[Jason]

同意合并.应该大部分人都可以看得懂简繁体,就像英文,好多人可能英文没有熟练到可以方便的参与英文的讨论,但看得懂,也获益不少.更何况,简繁之间应该没有这么大的差距.
既便有人不懂或不习惯,也可以完全不参与或不理会那部分信件.

Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[li ethan]

同意合并，这样更方便的在邮件列表上查找问题，毕竟不是论坛，碰到自己感兴趣的问题我想简体繁体都应该不是沟通的障碍，两岸的朋友也能更好的交换想法。

2008/5/19 Zhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> why, just so to have less users per list. if most users end up subscribe to
> all three, why not just merge them.
>
> 为什么，那样每个邮件列表上的人会更少。估计很多人会订阅两三个，为什么不直接合并。
>
> 不限语言？我希望中文列表上还是看中文好。英文勉强接受，至少大家懂。其它的还是不要了。
>
>
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:50:57 +0800, Yufeng Lan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>  同意，保持繁体的继续生存。
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 默认用utf8，不限语言，当然用户大部分是华人。
>> 其他保持原状不变，一国3码。
>>
>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>  Dear All,
>>>
>>> My opinion is to reopen [EMAIL PROTECTED] to use utf8 or
>>> to open another mailing list, named as
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Keep debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org and
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] for their local users.
>>> Then use traditional chinese in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> and use simplified chinese in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Use both of traditional and simplified chinese in
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> $4
>>>
>>> 2008/5/19 Rex Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>> > Hash: SHA1
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  This is interesting, this thread is probably one of the most active in
>>> >  last couple months. :-)
>>> >
>>> >  My option is to merge these two mailing list.
>>> >
>>> >  Even though the list is most helping Debian users solve their
>>> > problems, and users feel more comfortable when using the characters
>>> they
>>> > can read. But there are already many local user group[1] set up online
>>> > forum for helping out the users, which makes the mission of these two
>>> > mailing lists marginal.
>>> >
>>> >  Some people would say Debian is doing very good on supporting Chinese.
>>> > But it does not mean we can stop the mailing list. Still, there are
>>> many
>>> > decisions need to be made for the new packages and releases. And both
>>> > encodings/languages communities are sharing these results of these
>>> > decisions, since we are sharing the basically infrastructures for
>>> fonts,
>>> > input method, configurations.
>>> >
>>> >  The mailing list is the right place to submit Chinese-related
>>> > suggestions, which is the place that Debian Developers can discuss and
>>> > work together. A boundary of mailing encodings will make this kind of
>>> > discussions difficult. And most of the modern softwares support
>>> > big5/gb2312/unicode without problems, people can easily read the
>>> > messages or translate the encodings by themselves. There is not need to
>>> > split the mailing lists by encodings.
>>> >
>>> > best regards
>>> > - -Rex
>>> >
>>> > 1. http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=73
>>> >   http://www.debsir.org/
>>> >   http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/
>>> >   http://moto.debian.org.tw/
>>> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
>>> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
>>> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
>>> >
>>> > iD8DBQFIMP4YOl4Wbdx2/rkRAj7jAJ4y0kY+E6yvtuF7jlXi68+zD2MvhgCeM/cs
>>> > yhlu39HZHLJecoRuiEG5xTk=
>>> > =Csn6
>>> > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[Zhan]

why, just so to have less users per list. if most users end up subscribe  
to all three, why not just merge them.


为什么，那样每个邮件列表上的人会更少。估计很多人会订阅两三个，为什么不直接合并。

不限语言？我希望中文列表上还是看中文好。英文勉强接受，至少大家懂。其它的还是不要了。

On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:50:57 +0800, Yufeng Lan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


同意，保持繁体的继续生存。
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
默认用utf8，不限语言，当然用户大部分是华人。

其他保持原状不变，一国3码。

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dear All,

My opinion is to reopen [EMAIL PROTECTED] to use utf8 or
to open another mailing list, named as
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Keep debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for their local users.
Then use traditional chinese in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and use simplified chinese in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Use both of traditional and simplified chinese in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

$4

2008/5/19 Rex Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
>
>  This is interesting, this thread is probably one of the most active  
in

>  last couple months. :-)
>
>  My option is to merge these two mailing list.
>
>  Even though the list is most helping Debian users solve their
> problems, and users feel more comfortable when using the characters  
they

> can read. But there are already many local user group[1] set up online
> forum for helping out the users, which makes the mission of these two
> mailing lists marginal.
>
>  Some people would say Debian is doing very good on supporting  
Chinese.
> But it does not mean we can stop the mailing list. Still, there are  
many

> decisions need to be made for the new packages and releases. And both
> encodings/languages communities are sharing these results of these
> decisions, since we are sharing the basically infrastructures for  
fonts,

> input method, configurations.
>
>  The mailing list is the right place to submit Chinese-related
> suggestions, which is the place that Debian Developers can discuss and
> work together. A boundary of mailing encodings will make this kind of
> discussions difficult. And most of the modern softwares support
> big5/gb2312/unicode without problems, people can easily read the
> messages or translate the encodings by themselves. There is not need  
to

> split the mailing lists by encodings.
>
> best regards
> - -Rex
>
> 1. http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=73
>   http://www.debsir.org/
>   http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/
>   http://moto.debian.org.tw/
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
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>
> iD8DBQFIMP4YOl4Wbdx2/rkRAj7jAJ4y0kY+E6yvtuF7jlXi68+zD2MvhgCeM/cs
> yhlu39HZHLJecoRuiEG5xTk=
> =Csn6
> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
>


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Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[Zhan]

On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:36:00 +0800, ZhengPeng Hou  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hi all,
Why don't we have a vote?
Cheers
Zhengpeng Hou


I wouldn't think that will be fair, there are just not so many active big5  
users around； but their opinion should be respected non the less.


这不公平，big5编码的使用者虽然比较少，对这些用户有利才好。

But I do think merging two low volume mailing list is a good option.  
Reading another Chinese (yes, I mean people) shall be not a big problem  
and it's fun to "guess".


我觉得合并比较好。读懂另一个人的中文应该没问题。




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Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[SuperMMX]

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Hi, "Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :

On Mon, 19 May 2008 16:55:26 +0800
"Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear Zu,
> 
> 請您注意一下 li xin 直接寄給我的訊息 "问题不大啊~你可以只看繁体的，就和现在一样；简体你不习惯可以不看，如同这篇。"
> 這位朋友回了一封簡體郵件給我請我別看簡體信件~ 這個行為的本身不就是在強迫小弟看他寄過來的簡體信件了嗎? 跟所謂的 maillist 
> 的默認規則一點關係都沒有
> 小弟只是反應在閱讀簡體上有困難(並不是沒有能力閱讀), 反對 big5 與 gb 合併, 建議另開 utf8

这是对于邮件列表使用习惯不熟悉或者不注意所致。

现在的问题不在于 gb、big5 还是 utf-8，编码不是问题，问题是对于所有中文用户而言，
很多问题都是相通的，合并以后可以让大家更好地交流。

大家可以看看现在 -gb 和 -big5 每个月的流量[1]，-gb 每月有 200 封左右，-big5 在 2003 
年以后流量非常少，而且多是垃圾邮件。这说明真正使用 -big5 列表的人数是非常少的。在这种情况下，
流量再分不会有任何的好处，结果就是很多人会同时订阅多个列表。

阅读上的问题可以做选择性阅读，但我想大家在信息互通上应该问题都不大，也可以了解两岸之间对于自
由软件理解的差异。所以合并的利大于弊。

[1] http://lists.debian.org/stats/

- -- 
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Q. Why shoudn't I top post?
A. No.
Q Should I top post?

A: Because it destroys the flow of the conversation
Q: Why is it bad?
A: No, it's bad.
Q: Should I top post in replies to mailing lists? 
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Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[liuyun]

我订阅是gb，为什么还有繁体呢？我不愿意浪费时间看繁体，为什么要合并呢?

Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars)]

Dear Zu,

��您注意一下 li xin 直接寄�o我的��息 "问题不大啊~你可以只看繁体的，就和现在一样；简体你不习惯可以不看，如同这篇。"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 跟所�^的 maillist 的默�J���t一�c�P�S都�]有
小弟只是反��在���x���w上有困�y(�K不是�]有能力���x), 反�� big5 �c gb 合��, 建�h另�_ utf8

2008/5/19 Zu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 这个mail 
> list缺省是回复给上一个发信人的，如果点击"全部回复"，则会cc给@lists.debian.org。所以直接寄到个人邮箱（就是所谓的"强迫"）应该是这个maillist的默认规则，不是被强迫的。如果不希望这样，则可以选择退出邮件列表，或者让maillist的管理员修改一下规则，或者提前邮件里面声明一下
> "请不要直接给我回信，回信的时候把我的地址从收件人或者cc列表中删除" 了
>
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> 2008/5/19 Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> To li xin:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], 不好意思, 您都已��直接寄到小弟的信箱中了, 小弟只有被��迫���x���w的感�X, 
>> 您不直接寄到小弟的信箱中.
>> 若您是寄到 mailing list 上面那另���e~ 麻�┠��⒛�的言��及意��直接寄到 mailing list 上面好��? 
>> 好��大家知道您的意��及感受.
>>
>> 2008/5/19 li xin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> 问题不大啊~你可以只看繁体的，就和现在一样；简体你不习惯可以不看，如同这篇。
>>>
>>> 2008/5/19 Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 Hi All,

 小弟���T看繁�w字
 在���x���w字上有困�y
 因此反��合��

 2008/4/30 Kanru Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I think we should respect the opinions from who are actually using the
> lists, so I forward this mail to the lists.
>
> 2008/4/30 Andrew Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Dear folks,
>>
>>  Foka went on IRC and ask for merge debian-chinese-big5 and
>>  debian-chinese-gb into one mailing list. Please check the log for
>>  details or read these(I copied from my log) below:
>>
>>  01:56 < foka> 我最近有��想法：如果把 debian-chinese-big5 和
>>  debian-chinese-gb
>>   二合�橐唬�大家看法如何？ :-)
>>  01:57 < aguai> foka: 不懂？
>>  01:57 < paulliu> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:P
>>  01:57 < paulliu> aguai, 那是 mailing list
>>  01:58 < foka> paulliu, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UTF-8 年代了，也不再存在以前
>>   Big5、GB2312 �]件�y�a的���}了。
>>  01:58 < paulliu> 嗯, [EMAIL PROTECTED] big5 的意思是
>>  chinese-traditional
>>  01:59 < paulliu> �m然大家都是中��人...不�^繁�w跟���w..��是��有一些���x上
>>  的困�_..
>>  02:01 < paulliu> 不�^, debian-chinese-big5 �]有甚�N traffic 就是了..
>>  02:01 < paulliu> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  02:01 < paulliu> 我是�X得, 繁�w中文跟���w中文, 有�r是��分�_的...
>>  02:02 < foka> 其��整�w�碚f��好；我�J�R好多台���淼呐笥眩�很快熟�R���w字
>>  了。大��朋友看繁�w字，倒也不是���}，只是��不出�矶�已。
>>  02:02 < paulliu> 是可以看的懂, 但是我自己的是...偶��要猜...
>>  02:03 < foka> paulliu, 呵呵，正好互相�W��。 :-)
>>  02:03 < paulliu> 也�S���w中文猜中意思的�C率是 9x%, 日文�h字 4x%..
>>
>>  Debian do have lists for different languages. I think it's easier for
>>  support our users. Cause they can use their mother language to ask
>>  question and got answer by the mother language. We have separately lists
>>  because long time ago, we have encoding difference problem on big5 and
>>  gb2312, so that we have two lists for Chinese.
>>
>>  But my opinion now Debian is a global community, it is not specfic for
>>  any nation or racism. Who use traditional or simplified Chinese are
>>  equal participant.
>>
>>  But everyone can has opinion. Paulliu said that traditional and
>>  simplified Chinese are all Chinese, which I agreed. And Paulliu also
>>  think traditional and simplified Chinese should be separate.
>>
>>  However the point I concerned is our users support and free software
>>  community.
>>
>>  So I'd like to ask, what's you guys' opinion:
>>  Does our community only limited in Taiwan or China?
>>  Do you guys agree people from over the world can be also part of Debian
>>  community?
>>  You guys prefer to do the user support together or separately, and why?
>>
>>  Please give your valuable opinion.
>>
>>  Kindest regards,
>>
>>  -Andrew
>>
>
>
>
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>

>>>
>>
>

Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[Mickey Fox]

My opinion is to merge these two mailing list.

2008/4/30, Kanru Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I think we should respect the opinions from who are actually using the
> lists, so I forward this mail to the lists.
>
> 2008/4/30 Andrew Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Dear folks,
> >
> >  Foka went on IRC and ask for merge debian-chinese-big5 and
> >  debian-chinese-gb into one mailing list. Please check the log for
> >  details or read these(I copied from my log) below:
> >
> >  01:56 < foka> 我最近有��想法：如果把 debian-chinese-big5 和
> >  debian-chinese-gb
> >   二合�橐唬�大家看法如何？ :-)
> >  01:57 < aguai> foka: 不懂？
> >  01:57 < paulliu> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:P
> >  01:57 < paulliu> aguai, 那是 mailing list
> >  01:58 < foka> paulliu, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UTF-8 年代了，也不再存在以前
> >   Big5、GB2312 �]件�y�a的���}了。
> >  01:58 < paulliu> 嗯, [EMAIL PROTECTED] big5 的意思是
> >  chinese-traditional
> >  01:59 < paulliu> �m然大家都是中��人...不�^繁�w跟���w..��是��有一些���x上
> >  的困�_..
> >  02:01 < paulliu> 不�^, debian-chinese-big5 �]有甚�N traffic 就是了..
> >  02:01 < paulliu> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  02:01 < paulliu> 我是�X得, 繁�w中文跟���w中文, 有�r是��分�_的...
> >  02:02 < foka> 其��整�w�碚f��好；我�J�R好多台���淼呐笥眩�很快熟�R���w字
> >  了。大��朋友看繁�w字，倒也不是���}，只是��不出�矶�已。
> >  02:02 < paulliu> 是可以看的懂, 但是我自己的是...偶��要猜...
> >  02:03 < foka> paulliu, 呵呵，正好互相�W��。 :-)
> >  02:03 < paulliu> 也�S���w中文猜中意思的�C率是 9x%, 日文�h字 4x%..
> >
> >  Debian do have lists for different languages. I think it's easier for
> >  support our users. Cause they can use their mother language to ask
> >  question and got answer by the mother language. We have separately lists
> >  because long time ago, we have encoding difference problem on big5 and
> >  gb2312, so that we have two lists for Chinese.
> >
> >  But my opinion now Debian is a global community, it is not specfic for
> >  any nation or racism. Who use traditional or simplified Chinese are
> >  equal participant.
> >
> >  But everyone can has opinion. Paulliu said that traditional and
> >  simplified Chinese are all Chinese, which I agreed. And Paulliu also
> >  think traditional and simplified Chinese should be separate.
> >
> >  However the point I concerned is our users support and free software
> >  community.
> >
> >  So I'd like to ask, what's you guys' opinion:
> >  Does our community only limited in Taiwan or China?
> >  Do you guys agree people from over the world can be also part of Debian
> >  community?
> >  You guys prefer to do the user support together or separately, and why?
> >
> >  Please give your valuable opinion.
> >
> >  Kindest regards,
> >
> >  -Andrew
> >
>
>
>
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Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[Yufeng Lan]

同意，保持繁体的继续生存。
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 默认用utf8，不限语言，当然用户大部分是华人。
其他保持原状不变，一国3码。

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> My opinion is to reopen [EMAIL PROTECTED] to use utf8 or
> to open another mailing list, named as
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Keep debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org and
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] for their local users.
> Then use traditional chinese in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> and use simplified chinese in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Use both of traditional and simplified chinese in
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> $4
>
> 2008/5/19 Rex Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> >
> >  This is interesting, this thread is probably one of the most active in
> >  last couple months. :-)
> >
> >  My option is to merge these two mailing list.
> >
> >  Even though the list is most helping Debian users solve their
> > problems, and users feel more comfortable when using the characters they
> > can read. But there are already many local user group[1] set up online
> > forum for helping out the users, which makes the mission of these two
> > mailing lists marginal.
> >
> >  Some people would say Debian is doing very good on supporting Chinese.
> > But it does not mean we can stop the mailing list. Still, there are many
> > decisions need to be made for the new packages and releases. And both
> > encodings/languages communities are sharing these results of these
> > decisions, since we are sharing the basically infrastructures for fonts,
> > input method, configurations.
> >
> >  The mailing list is the right place to submit Chinese-related
> > suggestions, which is the place that Debian Developers can discuss and
> > work together. A boundary of mailing encodings will make this kind of
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> > split the mailing lists by encodings.
> >
> > best regards
> > - -Rex
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> > 1. http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=73
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Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[ZhengPeng Hou]

Hi all,
Why don't we have a vote?
Cheers
Zhengpeng Hou


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Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[Nanyao Zhou]

我还以为是 Gmail 的问题啊，原来是debian mail list的问题，

确实应该修改一下

2008/5/19 Zu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 这个mail list缺省是回复给上一个发信人的，如果点击"全部回复"，则会cc给@lists.debian.org
> 。所以直接寄到个人邮箱（就是所谓的"强迫"）应该是这个maillist的默认规则，不是被强迫的。如果不希望这样，则可以选择退出邮件列表，或者让maillist的管理员修改一下规则，或者提前邮件里面声明一下
> "请不要直接给我回信，回信的时候把我的地址从收件人或者cc列表中删除" 了
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> 2008/5/19 Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > To li xin:
> >
> > 這位內地的朋友, 不好意思, 您都已經直接寄到小弟的信箱中了, 小弟只有被強迫閱讀簡體的感覺, 您不應該直接寄到小弟的信箱中.
> > 若您是寄到 mailing list 上面那另當別論囉~ 麻煩您將您的言論及意見直接寄到 mailing list 上面好嗎?
> 好讓大家知道您的意見及感受.
> >
> > 2008/5/19 li xin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> 问题不大啊~你可以只看繁体的，就和现在一样；简体你不习惯可以不看，如同这篇。
> >>
> >> 2008/5/19 Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> 小弟習慣看繁體字
> >>> 在閱讀簡體字上有困難
> >>> 因此反對合併
> >>>
> >>> 2008/4/30 Kanru Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Hi Andrew,
> 
>  I think we should respect the opinions from who are actually using the
>  lists, so I forward this mail to the lists.
> 
>  2008/4/30 Andrew Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Dear folks,
> >
> >  Foka went on IRC and ask for merge debian-chinese-big5 and
> >  debian-chinese-gb into one mailing list. Please check the log for
> >  details or read these(I copied from my log) below:
> >
> >  01:56 < foka> 我最近有個想法：如果把 debian-chinese-big5 和
> >  debian-chinese-gb
> >   二合為一，大家看法如何？ :-)
> >  01:57 < aguai> foka: 不懂？
> >  01:57 < paulliu> 唔...為啥要做這件事??..:P
> >  01:57 < paulliu> aguai, 那是兩個 mailing list
> >  01:58 < foka> paulliu, 是這樣的：現在都是 UTF-8 年代了，也不再存在以前
> >   Big5、GB2312 郵件亂碼的問題了。
> >  01:58 < paulliu> 嗯, 的確...不過我是這麼想的...其實那個 big5 的意思應該是
> >  chinese-traditional
> >  01:59 < paulliu> 雖然大家都是中國人...不過繁體跟簡體..還是會有一些閱讀上
> >  的困擾..
> >  02:01 < paulliu> 不過, debian-chinese-big5 沒有甚麼 traffic 就是了..
> >  02:01 < paulliu> 當然這只是我的看法而已啦..
> >  02:01 < paulliu> 我是覺得, 繁體中文跟簡體中文, 有時是該分開的...
> >  02:02 < foka> 其實整體來說還好；我認識好多台灣來的朋友，很快熟識簡體字
> >  了。大陸朋友看繁體字，倒也不是問題，只是寫不出來而已。
> >  02:02 < paulliu> 是可以看的懂, 但是我自己的經驗是...偶爾要猜...
> >  02:03 < foka> paulliu, 呵呵，正好互相學習。 :-)
> >  02:03 < paulliu> 也許簡體中文猜中意思的機率是 9x%, 日文漢字 4x%..
> >
> >  Debian do have lists for different languages. I think it's easier
> for
> >  support our users. Cause they can use their mother language to ask
> >  question and got answer by the mother language. We have separately
> lists
> >  because long time ago, we have encoding difference problem on big5
> and
> >  gb2312, so that we have two lists for Chinese.
> >
> >  But my opinion now Debian is a global community, it is not specfic
> for
> >  any nation or racism. Who use traditional or simplified Chinese are
> >  equal participant.
> >
> >  But everyone can has opinion. Paulliu said that traditional and
> >  simplified Chinese are all Chinese, which I agreed. And Paulliu also
> >  think traditional and simplified Chinese should be separate.
> >
> >  However the point I concerned is our users support and free software
> >  community.
> >
> >  So I'd like to ask, what's you guys' opinion:
> >  Does our community only limited in Taiwan or China?
> >  Do you guys agree people from over the world can be also part of
> Debian
> >  community?
> >  You guys prefer to do the user support together or separately, and
> why?
> >
> >  Please give your valuable opinion.
> >
> >  Kindest regards,
> >
> >  -Andrew
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> >>>
> >>
> >
>



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Re: User support for the debian-chinese-*

[Zu]

这个mail 
list缺省是回复给上一个发信人的，如果点击"全部回复"，则会cc给@lists.debian.org。所以直接寄到个人邮箱（就是所谓的"强迫"）应该是这个maillist的默认规则，不是被强迫的。如果不希望这样，则可以选择退出邮件列表，或者让maillist的管理员修改一下规则，或者提前邮件里面声明一下
"请不要直接给我回信，回信的时候把我的地址从收件人或者cc列表中删除" 了

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2008/5/19 Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> To li xin:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], 不好意思, 您都已��直接寄到小弟的信箱中了, 小弟只有被��迫���x���w的感�X, 
> 您不直接寄到小弟的信箱中.
> 若您是寄到 mailing list 上面那另���e~ 麻�┠��⒛�的言��及意��直接寄到 mailing list 上面好��? 
> 好��大家知道您的意��及感受.
>
> 2008/5/19 li xin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> 问题不大啊~你可以只看繁体的，就和现在一样；简体你不习惯可以不看，如同这篇。
>>
>> 2008/5/19 Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> 小弟���T看繁�w字
>>> 在���x���w字上有困�y
>>> 因此反��合��
>>>
>>> 2008/4/30 Kanru Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 Hi Andrew,

 I think we should respect the opinions from who are actually using the
 lists, so I forward this mail to the lists.

 2008/4/30 Andrew Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dear folks,
>
>  Foka went on IRC and ask for merge debian-chinese-big5 and
>  debian-chinese-gb into one mailing list. Please check the log for
>  details or read these(I copied from my log) below:
>
>  01:56 < foka> 我最近有��想法：如果把 debian-chinese-big5 和
>  debian-chinese-gb
>   二合�橐唬�大家看法如何？ :-)
>  01:57 < aguai> foka: 不懂？
>  01:57 < paulliu> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:P
>  01:57 < paulliu> aguai, 那是 mailing list
>  01:58 < foka> paulliu, [EMAIL PROTECTED] UTF-8 年代了，也不再存在以前
>   Big5、GB2312 �]件�y�a的���}了。
>  01:58 < paulliu> 嗯, [EMAIL PROTECTED] big5 的意思是
>  chinese-traditional
>  01:59 < paulliu> �m然大家都是中��人...不�^繁�w跟���w..��是��有一些���x上
>  的困�_..
>  02:01 < paulliu> 不�^, debian-chinese-big5 �]有甚�N traffic 就是了..
>  02:01 < paulliu> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  02:01 < paulliu> 我是�X得, 繁�w中文跟���w中文, 有�r是��分�_的...
>  02:02 < foka> 其��整�w�碚f��好；我�J�R好多台���淼呐笥眩�很快熟�R���w字
>  了。大��朋友看繁�w字，倒也不是���}，只是��不出�矶�已。
>  02:02 < paulliu> 是可以看的懂, 但是我自己的是...偶��要猜...
>  02:03 < foka> paulliu, 呵呵，正好互相�W��。 :-)
>  02:03 < paulliu> 也�S���w中文猜中意思的�C率是 9x%, 日文�h字 4x%..
>
>  Debian do have lists for different languages. I think it's easier for
>  support our users. Cause they can use their mother language to ask
>  question and got answer by the mother language. We have separately lists
>  because long time ago, we have encoding difference problem on big5 and
>  gb2312, so that we have two lists for Chinese.
>
>  But my opinion now Debian is a global community, it is not specfic for
>  any nation or racism. Who use traditional or simplified Chinese are
>  equal participant.
>
>  But everyone can has opinion. Paulliu said that traditional and
>  simplified Chinese are all Chinese, which I agreed. And Paulliu also
>  think traditional and simplified Chinese should be separate.
>
>  However the point I concerned is our users support and free software
>  community.
>
>  So I'd like to ask, what's you guys' opinion:
>  Does our community only limited in Taiwan or China?
>  Do you guys agree people from over the world can be also part of Debian
>  community?
>  You guys prefer to do the user support together or separately, and why?
>
>  Please give your valuable opinion.
>
>  Kindest regards,
>
>  -Andrew
>



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