Re: DEP17 feedback
Re: Matthew Vernon > "- Please stop moving individual packages' files from the root filesystem > into /usr, at least for now.", clarified in the lengthier text to mean that > we expected this sort of move would become possible during the Debian 13 > release cycle. The moratorium will be hard to hold up, given even now we are moving files in the last minute before the release: #1034210 Christoph
Re: DEP17 feedback
Hi, A quick summary, because my memory is suspect at the best of times... On 22/04/2023 20:36, Sam Hartman wrote: Oh, excellent. I was just considering formally asking the TC to extend the file move moratorium to trixie. I've seen a number of people recently proposing moving files in trixie who do not appear to understand the issues, and so I think more TC clarification on this issue is important. Would a formal request help, or can the TC handle this internally? This was advice (constitution 6.1.5) we issued in October 2021 apropos bug 994388[0]: "- Please stop moving individual packages' files from the root filesystem into /usr, at least for now.", clarified in the lengthier text to mean that we expected this sort of move would become possible during the Debian 13 release cycle. That advice expires once Debian 12 is released. The release team position[1] is: "* The TC resolution #994388[1] recommended a moratorium on moving files' canonical location from / into /usr. Until there's support in dpkg for merged /usr, we want this moratorium to remain in place, even after the bookworm release. Files moving their canonical location between / and /usr (details in [1]) *and* from one binary package to another binary package within one release cycle remain an RC issue unless dpkg supports it. " So we _could_ leave it to the RT's discretion as to when they think dpkg supports it enough to start allowing it, or we could extend our moratorium. Regards, Matthew [0] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=994388#110 [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2022/07/msg2.html
Re: DEP17 feedback
> "Helmut" == Helmut Grohne writes: Helmut> another, we probably need to clarify whether the file move Helmut> moratorium extends to trixie. I think Matthew Garrett Helmut> already looked into it and wanted to followup but never did Helmut> and I'd also appreciate Simon having a look even though this Helmut> should mostly resemble what I discussed with him and others Helmut> on IRC earlier. Oh, excellent. I was just considering formally asking the TC to extend the file move moratorium to trixie. I've seen a number of people recently proposing moving files in trixie who do not appear to understand the issues, and so I think more TC clarification on this issue is important. Would a formal request help, or can the TC handle this internally? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
DEP17 feedback
Hi fellow committee members, can we put the /usr-merge back to our agenda for one of the next meetings? For one thing, there is DEP17 being discussed (see https://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2023/04/msg0.html). For another, we probably need to clarify whether the file move moratorium extends to trixie. I think Matthew Garrett already looked into it and wanted to followup but never did and I'd also appreciate Simon having a look even though this should mostly resemble what I discussed with him and others on IRC earlier. Sean, would you be ok with putting this on the meeting agenda? Helmut
