Re: Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-08-30 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Aug 30 2015, Sam Hartman  wrote:
> if you actually want the TC to only
> choose with no comment from the options before it; if you want us not to
> raise objections and actually set policy as we are charged with in the
> constitution, 

There is an (important) difference between "set policy" and "create
policy". I object to the latter, not the former.

I am not sure what you mean with "raising objections". Do you mean this
as some sort of formal task? I don't think this is anything that the
constitution charges the ctte with. Or do mean that you just want to
share your personal objections to something as a ctte member? I
certainly don't object to that.

Though, in any case, I think that:

> then you will find absolutely no one willing to serve on
> the TC.

is a rather strong statement. It's easily disproven by finding someone,
and I'm pretty sure that you haven't asked everyone. As a matter of
fact, judging from the different kinds and levels of (publicly visible)
activity of the sitting ctte members, I would expect that at least some
of them would be willing to continue to serve in a ctte that uses its
powers a little less creatively[1].

(Replying to ctte list only, this isn't relevant to the bug at hand
anymore).

Best,
-Nikolaus

[1] No negative connotation implied. I mean "creative" in the sense of
not just picking between the presented options.

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Re: Bug#741573: Comparison of Options AB and D

2015-08-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 08:39:19PM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
> On Aug 30 2015, Sam Hartman  wrote:
> > if you actually want the TC to only
> > choose with no comment from the options before it; if you want us not to
> > raise objections and actually set policy as we are charged with in the
> > constitution, 

> There is an (important) difference between "set policy" and "create
> policy". I object to the latter, not the former.

I don't agree that this is an important difference and do not agree with
your interpretation of the constitution.

I also think you are unlikely to persuade the seated members of the TC, all
of whom have been developers for many many years, that their interpretation
of the constitution (whatever that may be for each of them) regarding the
TC's authority to direct policy is wrong, and yours is right.

So I don't think this is a constructive subthread.

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