Re: Linux on a i286

1997-12-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Dec 11, 1997 at 08:30:19AM -0500, Alex Yukhimets wrote:
  Is there a way I can get Linux to work on my old 286?
 
 There is an attempt to port Linux to 086 called ELKS. Look for it's link
 on LDP page (http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/). Last time I checked I still
 couldn't even boot it on my 286 though.

Times have changed. It boots okay and there are some user space utilities 
which run okay. There's still a long way to go yet though. It is hoped
that there will be networking in the future.


Hamish

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Re: looking for new maintainer

1997-12-12 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Fri, Nov 28, 1997 at 07:48:04PM +0100, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
 i'm looking for a new maintainer for all my packages :
 
 mpage
 makedev  (taken)
 giflib
 kde*

I'll take mpage.

Thanks

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unstripped stuff in /usr/lib

1997-12-12 Thread Adrian Bridgett
There is quite a lot of unstripped libraries/object files in /usr/lib, is
this against policy?

lots of perl5 stuff
loads of elk stuff
libdpkg.so.0.0
lpbftp.so.1.0
crt1.o:
crti.o:
crtn.o:
hwtools/irqtune_npr.o:
hwtools/irqtune_mod.o:
gcrt1.o:
libbsd-compat.a: 
libieee.a:   
netscape/plugins/libnullplugin.so: 
netscape/libnullplugin-dynMotif.so:
netscape/dynfonts/libTrueDoc.so:   
libmcheck.a:   
libc5-compat/libcompface.so.1.0.0: 
libc5-compat/libpng.so.0.96:  
libgmp.so.2.0.2:
libcompface.so.1.0.0: 

Thanks

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Re: syslogd taking up lots of CPU..

1997-12-12 Thread Ben Pfaff
   That EAGAIN disturbs me. We're not even close to being out of disk
   space; what could be causing this?

EAGAIN doesn't mean out of disk space.  The gnu libc manual says this:

 - Macro: int EAGAIN
 Resource temporarily unavailable; the call might work if you try
 again later.  The macro `EWOULDBLOCK' is another name for `EAGAIN';
 they are always the same in the GNU C library.

 This error can happen in a few different situations:

* An operation that would block was attempted on an object that
  has non-blocking mode selected.  Trying the same operation
  again will block until some external condition makes it
  possible to read, write, or connect (whatever the operation).
  You can use `select' to find out when the operation will be
  possible; *note Waiting for I/O::..

  *Portability Note:* In older Unix many systems, this condition
  was indicated by `EWOULDBLOCK', which was a distinct error
  code different from `EAGAIN'.  To make your program portable,
  you should check for both codes and treat them the same.

* A temporary resource shortage made an operation impossible.
  `fork' can return this error.  It indicates that the shortage
  is expected to pass, so your program can try the call again
  later and it may succeed.  It is probably a good idea to
  delay for a few seconds before trying it again, to allow time
  for other processes to release scarce resources.  Such
  shortages are usually fairly serious and affect the whole
  system, so usually an interactive program should report the
  error to the user and return to its command loop.

What this actually meant in your case, I don't know.


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Re: (fwd) PIC Programmer v2.0

1997-12-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Dec 11, 1997 at 11:48:43PM +0100, Hartmut Koptein wrote:
  I am interested in packaging the following, especially
  since we already have some PIC tools and it's a growing area.
 
 Yes that's a good idea. And if you put it into the menu take
 apps/Technical for it.

Hmmm. There are already some programs in apps/Electronics, wouldn't
that be better (it is more specific)?

I agree, let's do more electronics packages. In an email discussion
we had earlier this year, Joost Kooij [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggested he would be interested in a mailing list about this
sort of software. I have recently had some discussions
with a chap working on some electronics packages for FreeBSD and he also
expressed interest. If there are some other people interested
I will go ahead and create the list here, unless somebody else
has a better listserver to offer.

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Re: syslogd taking up lots of CPU..

1997-12-12 Thread Ben Gertzfield
 Ben == Ben Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Ben EAGAIN doesn't mean out of disk space.  The gnu libc manual
Ben says this:

Ben * A temporary resource shortage made an operation
Ben impossible.  `fork' can return this error.  

You know, I'll bet it was the glibc2.0.5c problem. I've upgraded to
2.0.6 and will see if it goes away.

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Re: syslogd taking up lots of CPU..

1997-12-12 Thread James A . Treacy
 Hm. For some reason, today, syslogd started taking up more than its
 share of CPU. (About 20% on a P200.)
 
I wonder if this is related to a problem I've been having recently.
Every console has been getting messages like the following at random
times

 Message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] at Thu Dec 11 17:20:00 1997 ...
 landru
 
 Message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] at Thu Dec 11 17:20:51 1997 ...
 landru last message repeated 26 times

sysklogd 1.3-17.1 is installed.

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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On 12 Dec 1997, Martin Mitchell wrote:

 Chris Fearnley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  debian/bo/binary-i386/base/libc5_5.4.33-6.deb conflicts with libc6
  making it IMPOSSIBLE to upgrade!!  I had to downgrade to
  libc5_5.4.33-3.deb from a LSL CD (thank goodness this bug is not
  shipped on CDs!!) in order to upgrade to libc6.  But I noticed that
  the broken package is still on the ftp sites.  So lots of people will
  not be able to upgrade their Debian systems without technical support.
  YUK!
 
 Huh? The upgrade path is quite clear: install a newer libc5 (5.4.33-7)
 from hamm, then you may install libc6.

The solution isn't quite so simple.  The libc5 from hamm DEPENDS ON libc6.
There is a definate problem here.  The dependancies make it difficult to
upgrade partially to running libc6 stuff without upgrading the complete
distribution.  Installing libc5 from hamm pretty much forces you to
migrate your development system to libc6 or libc5-altdev since it
CONFLICTS with libc5-dev.  I'm forwarding this discussion to debian-devel
because I'm sick of trying to find a useful workaround for people who just
want to install a few packages from hamm without upgrading the whole
thing.

Here's a basic table of the relationships of the various libc5's

++---+---+
||   libc6   | libc5-dev |
++---+---+
| libc5-5.4.33-3 | OK| OK| What we USED to have in bo
++---+---+
| libc5-5.4.33-6 | CONFLICTS | OK| What is in bo now
++---+---+
| libc5-5.4.33-7 | OK| CONFLICTS | What is in hamm now
++---+---+

As you can see, we used to have a working way of installing libc6 whilst
keeping libc5-dev and friends.  We no longer do.  This is in dire need of
being fixed.



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Re: Where did packages in HELD-FOR-GUY go?

1997-12-12 Thread Guy Maor
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Eloy A. Paris wrote:
  does anyone know where are all the packages that were in
  Incoming/HELD-FOR-GUY? This directory is empty now but at least samba
  (which I maintain) has not been integrated into hamm (and samba was in
  HELD-FOR-GUY).
 
 Oh no! I had a non-maintainer release of bitchx in there, a good 6 hours
 work, with no backups. 
 
 I did a locate on master, I cannot find the stuff that was in HELD-FOR-GUY
 anywhere at all.

I installed it all.


Guy


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Re: status of bzip

1997-12-12 Thread Guy Maor
Michael Sobolev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Whoops, forget I said the above sentence, I can't seem to find bzip
  anywhere in Debian... My fingers automatically typed gzip instead of
  bzip when searching :-(
 The last time it was seen in non-us distribution.

Because of the patent issue presumably.  I've always thought that was
inconsistent as we have plenty of lzw/gif software in non-free, NOT
non-us.


Guy


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Re: status of bzip

1997-12-12 Thread Nathan E Norman
On 11 Dec 1997, Guy Maor wrote:

: Michael Sobolev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: 
:   Whoops, forget I said the above sentence, I can't seem to find bzip
:   anywhere in Debian... My fingers automatically typed gzip instead of
:   bzip when searching :-(
:  The last time it was seen in non-us distribution.
: 
: Because of the patent issue presumably.  I've always thought that was
: inconsistent as we have plenty of lzw/gif software in non-free, NOT
: non-us.
: 
: 
: Guy

I thought the bzip algorithm was the issue ... isn't it patented or
some such nonsense in the US, while the rest of the world doesn't
believe in such patents?  (Same issue as RSA ...)

Of course, I could be delirious and wrong, you never can tell.

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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Martin Mitchell
Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Huh? The upgrade path is quite clear: install a newer libc5 (5.4.33-7)
  from hamm, then you may install libc6.
 
 The solution isn't quite so simple.  The libc5 from hamm DEPENDS ON libc6.
 There is a definate problem here.

You install both hamm libc6/libc5 at once. You have to do the same kind of
thing to install pam, by the way.

Martin.


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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On 12 Dec 1997, Martin Mitchell wrote:

 Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Huh? The upgrade path is quite clear: install a newer libc5 (5.4.33-7)
   from hamm, then you may install libc6.
  
  The solution isn't quite so simple.  The libc5 from hamm DEPENDS ON libc6.
  There is a definate problem here.
 
 You install both hamm libc6/libc5 at once. You have to do the same kind of
 thing to install pam, by the way.

Still doesn't solve the problem of the hamm libc5 conflicting with
libc5-dev and the bo libc5 conflicting with libc6.  It is a compilation of
different breakages here.  My concern is for people who still want to do
libc5 development WITH THEIR NORMAL SETUP while installing a few libc6
packages.

Note, I maintain the Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO, which is posted
here occasionally and always available at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/


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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken

1997-12-12 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Chris Fearnley wrote:

 The reason for my bug is to get the broken package off the ftp site.
 Before anyone else breaks their system.  Guy, if everyone believes that
 5.4.33-7 in hamm solves the problem, could you replace
 libc5_5.4.33-6.deb with libc5_5.4.33-7.deb?  I won't be hazarding the
 upgrade to libc6 until tomorrow so I have no opinion that -7 is any
 good.

NO DO NOT DO THAT (replace with the libc5 from hamm).  The libc5 from hamm
CONFLICTS WITH libc5-dev.  This is a BAD THING (read my other post on this
bug which I also forwarded to debian-devel)


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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Martin Mitchell
Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Still doesn't solve the problem of the hamm libc5 conflicting with
 libc5-dev and the bo libc5 conflicting with libc6.  It is a compilation of
 different breakages here.  My concern is for people who still want to do
 libc5 development WITH THEIR NORMAL SETUP while installing a few libc6
 packages.

That isn't possible, because of utmp breakage. libc6 users are expected to
use altdev, that is the point of having altdev in the distribution.

Martin.


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Re: status of bzip

1997-12-12 Thread Andy Guy
Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Michael Sobolev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Whoops, forget I said the above sentence, I can't seem to find bzip
   anywhere in Debian... My fingers automatically typed gzip instead of
   bzip when searching :-(
  The last time it was seen in non-us distribution.
 
 Because of the patent issue presumably.  I've always thought that was
 inconsistent as we have plenty of lzw/gif software in non-free, NOT
 non-us.

It is different becuase the lzw patent holders (HP?) have given a
general license for non-profit use of the patent.

Andy.


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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Guy Maor
Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm sick of trying to find a useful workaround for people who just
 want to install a few packages from hamm without upgrading the whole
 thing.

There isn't one.  I assumed you, as libc5-to-libc6 maintainer, knew
that.

Yes, it is theoretically possible to make libc5/libc5-dev,
libc-6/libc6-altdev packages, all using the old utmp format (among
other things), but I don't see the point in doubling development
effort for the few people who want to straddle the fence.  Either stay
on bo or upgrade to hamm.

I'll be making a bo-unstable distribution this weekend for anybody who
wants to upload libc5 versions of their packages.  That'll hopefully
take away some of the impetus from this discussion.

 | libc5-5.4.33-3 | OK| OK| What we USED to have in bo

That was before we had a libc5 with libc6 format utmp.  It's
impossible now.


Guy


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Re: status of bzip

1997-12-12 Thread Guy Maor

Andy Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 It is different becuase the lzw patent holders (HP?) have given a
 general license for non-profit use of the patent.

That's true.  It's Unisys that holds the patent, btw.

The patent on bzip is moot anyway, as bzip2 does not have any patents
on it.  It should go to main.  I think we should discourage the use of
bzip by not having it in the archive.  Someone mentioned that there
was a bunzip which could go to non-free?


Guy


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glibc pre-release 2.0.6-0.4

1997-12-12 Thread David Engel
I've put yet another experimental, pre-release of glibc-2.0.6pre4 at
ftp://ftp.ods.com/pub/linux.  Please test it and let me know how it
works.  The upstream maintainer wants to release this coming Sunday
so I need your feedback as soon as possible.

There is an IMPORTANT CHANGE in this version.  I now use the
kernel-headers package instead of including the kernel headers in with
libc6-dev.  This does NOT mean that we are reverting back to the old
symlink method since the symlinks point to headers from a specific
kernel-headers-X.Y.Z package, 2.0.32 in this case.

This change has three advantages.  First it removes the unnecessary
duplication of kernel header files.  Second, different architectures
can more easily use different kernel headers.  This is currently a big
problem for m68k.  Third, it makes the Debian-specific changes to
glibc small enough that they will be included in the upstream source.
We can, and probably will have to, make changes to the upstream
source, but having the initial Debian-specific files included will
give us additional visibility.

The only architecture I expect to have problems with this arrangement
is m68k.  James, would you please check out the new packages and let
me know what KVERSION value to use in debian/rules for m68k.

Herbert, I have a couple of requests for your kernel-headers and
kernel-source packages.  First, would you please apply the enclosed
patch from Andreas Jaeger to the 2.0.32 versions.  It doesn't appear
to affect the building of glibc for i386, but it could for other
architectures and for user programs.  Second (not abosulutely
necessary, but desirable), would you please consider making the
kernel-source-X.Y.Z package provide the appropriate
/usr/src/kernel-headers-X.Y.Z symlink.  libc6-dev currently only
depends on kernel-headers-X.Y.Z and has no provision for switching to
kernel-source-X.Y.Z if the user changes between the two.

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Hi David,

you've find appended two small patches that are already in
2.0.33-pre2. Those patches are necessary for glibc, you might want to
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Hi Linus,

could you please add the following two changes to Linux 2.0.33? The
defines are already made in include/linux/socket.h and are redundant - 
and cause problems with glibc.

The first patch is already in Linux 2.1.x - and you've got a patch for 
the second one for inclusion in 2.1.71 separately.

Thanks,
Andreas

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Re: status of bzip

1997-12-12 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 11 Dec 1997, Guy Maor wrote:
 Andy Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  It is different becuase the lzw patent holders (HP?) have given a
  general license for non-profit use of the patent.
 
 That's true.  It's Unisys that holds the patent, btw.
 
 The patent on bzip is moot anyway, as bzip2 does not have any patents
 on it.  It should go to main.  I think we should discourage the use of
 bzip by not having it in the archive.  Someone mentioned that there
 was a bunzip which could go to non-free?

I started this thread, and mentioned that there is a bunzip-only source
available. I suspect that that will also have to go into non-us, if the
original bzip also had to go to non-us due to (silly) US patents.

I'll contact the author of bzip / bunzip / bzip2 to see what the
problems with patents were exactly, to determine where bunzip might go.
I'll report back here.

By replacing bzip with bunzip, and also offering bzip2, we should be
able to limit the further use of bzip.


Paul Slootman
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Re: packaging agrep

1997-12-12 Thread Sven Rudolph
G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I am planning to package agrep, a grep-like tool that allows to
 
   We have it already.  I think it comes with glimpse .

So it should be split into an extra package ?

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Re: Uploaded libtermreadkey-perl 2.09-1 (source i386) to master

1997-12-12 Thread Christian Schwarz
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Just for the case, that the module is called Term::ReadKey, you should
choose libterm-readkey-perl for the Debian package.

(Why hasn't this package not been discussed on debian-devel? Or did I miss
something?)


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Chris

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Re: Is cp -a allowed in debian/rules?

1997-12-12 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 11 Dec 1997, Douglas Bates wrote:

 I have a vague recollection of seeing some comments regarding flags
 for cp that should be avoided in packaging scripts.  Perhaps this was
 in the discussion of bashisms.

I don't remember anything like that. Debian ships with `GNU cp', so I
don't see a reason for not using the `-a' option. (I'd prefer the `-a'
solution over the `tar' hack since it's much easier to read.) 


Thanks,

Chris

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Re: Amiga port of Debian

1997-12-12 Thread James Troup
Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  It most certainly is not.
 
 Hmmm? What's missing then, since we are running a perfectly working
 1.2.17 system...

Any sane Amiga installation disks; a non-buggy-pseudo-1.3 base set.
And as of 12/12/1997, 246 packages have yet to be compiled and a
further 204 are out of date.  Debian/m68k is not finished and it is
not released.

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1997-12-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Scott Ellis
On 12 Dec 1997, Martin Mitchell wrote:

 Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Still doesn't solve the problem of the hamm libc5 conflicting with
  libc5-dev and the bo libc5 conflicting with libc6.  It is a compilation of
  different breakages here.  My concern is for people who still want to do
  libc5 development WITH THEIR NORMAL SETUP while installing a few libc6
  packages.
 
 That isn't possible, because of utmp breakage. libc6 users are expected to
 use altdev, that is the point of having altdev in the distribution.

Corruption of utmp/wtmp is a MINOR PROBLEM.  Many people don't care if the
file is corrupted, they just want to use some libc6 stuff without being
forced completely into libc6.  We used to be able to accomidate them
without all sorts of force magic.

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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Scott Ellis
On 11 Dec 1997, Guy Maor wrote:

 Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I'm sick of trying to find a useful workaround for people who just
  want to install a few packages from hamm without upgrading the whole
  thing.
 
 There isn't one.  I assumed you, as libc5-to-libc6 maintainer, knew
 that.

Well, there is one.  It involves downgrading libc5 to 5.4.33-3 from my ftp
site and putting it on hold.  This is not, however, a very elegant
solution.

 Yes, it is theoretically possible to make libc5/libc5-dev,
 libc-6/libc6-altdev packages, all using the old utmp format (among
 other things), but I don't see the point in doubling development
 effort for the few people who want to straddle the fence.  Either stay
 on bo or upgrade to hamm.

Not asking for libc6-altdev or libc6 using the libc5 utmp format.  Just
for a libc5 that doesn't conflict with libc6 or libc5-dev

 I'll be making a bo-unstable distribution this weekend for anybody who
 wants to upload libc5 versions of their packages.  That'll hopefully
 take away some of the impetus from this discussion.
 
  | libc5-5.4.33-3 | OK| OK| What we USED to have in bo
 
 That was before we had a libc5 with libc6 format utmp.  It's
 impossible now.

Why is it so impossible?  Just don't apply the libc6-utmp patches to
libc5.  Maybe I'm missing something totally obvious here, but if so I
don't see it.~

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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Scott Ellis wrote:

 Corruption of utmp/wtmp is a MINOR PROBLEM.  Many people don't care if the
 file is corrupted, they just want to use some libc6 stuff without being
 forced completely into libc6.

  How do I know which type of utmp/wtmp I'm currently using, my package
'TCPQuota' is using utmp to find out the users online... That is, when
(exactly) did the utmp/wtmp file changed?


  BTW, is the 'bugg', that does _NOT_ write the IP address of the host a user
is comming from, still left in the login program?
  Login writes the remotehost, but not the remoteip, and I need the remote
ip...

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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Scott Ellis
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:

 On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Scott Ellis wrote:
 
  Corruption of utmp/wtmp is a MINOR PROBLEM.  Many people don't care if the
  file is corrupted, they just want to use some libc6 stuff without being
  forced completely into libc6.
 
   How do I know which type of utmp/wtmp I'm currently using, my package
 'TCPQuota' is using utmp to find out the users online... That is, when
 (exactly) did the utmp/wtmp file changed?

The change in utmp was made when libc6 was released.  If your program is
libc6, the libc6 utmp/wtmp functions should be used at all times.

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Re: Is cp -a allowed in debian/rules?

1997-12-12 Thread Douglas Bates
Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On 11 Dec 1997, Douglas Bates wrote:
 
  I have a vague recollection of seeing some comments regarding flags
  for cp that should be avoided in packaging scripts.  Perhaps this was
  in the discussion of bashisms.
 
 I don't remember anything like that. Debian ships with `GNU cp', so I
 don't see a reason for not using the `-a' option. (I'd prefer the `-a'
 solution over the `tar' hack since it's much easier to read.) 

But consider the recent discussion of porting dpkg to other systems.
If you were using dpkg on Solaris or HP-UX or ... you may not be able
to count on cp understanding the -a flag.


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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Scott Ellis wrote:

 The change in utmp was made when libc6 was released.  If your program is
 libc6, the libc6 utmp/wtmp functions should be used at all times.

I'm using perl, reading the utmp 'raw'... (using unpack(), if that's
familiar)... Is it 'login' (etc) one should look out for?

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Libc5 compile machine?

1997-12-12 Thread Tom Lees
I know there is a machine which I can compile for libc5 on somewhere.

a) Where is it?
b) Can I have an account on it?

I need to compile+upload a new cvs for bo.

Please encrypt any passwords, etc., using my PGP key:-

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Package ordering for `dselect'?

1997-12-12 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
 Adam == Adam P Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Adam  [...] w/ pkg ordering stuff apparently coming in and (?)
Adam  dselect being dropped as the default installation
Adam  mechanism.

 Can someone add the package ordering to `dselect', so we'll have that
 until `deity' is ready to use?  (I don't know how, or I'd try.)


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Re: packaging agrep

1997-12-12 Thread Chris Fearnley
'Sven Rudolph wrote:'

G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I am planning to package agrep, a grep-like tool that allows to
 
  We have it already.  I think it comes with glimpse .

So it should be split into an extra package ?

No.

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PH Server

1997-12-12 Thread Syd Alsobrook
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Hello,
I am wanting to setup a PH Server for my department but I can't seem 
to locate the software in the distrobution. Could someone point me in 
the right direction

syd
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fdisk3

1997-12-12 Thread G John Lapeyre

I can't search the archives. Has there been discussion on this ? 
I just answered a debian-user question about fixing a broken partition
table.  fdisk3 worked once for me in this situation when fdisk failed. 
Its not in my available file.  Do we want it packaged as fdisk3 ?

Begin3
Title:  fdisk
Version:3.04
Entered-date:   960119
Description:A rewrite from scratch of an fdisk program for Linux.
It is much more powerful than the old one, and hopefully
much more correct. It can be used in shell scripts.
3.04: added a --print-id option
Keywords:   fdisk activate partitions MBR
Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andries E. Brouwer)
Maintained-by:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andries E. Brouwer)
Primary-site:   ftp.win.tue.nl /pub/linux/util
29kB fdisk-3.04.tar.gz
1kB  fdisk-3.04.lsm
Alternate-site: sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/system/Install
Copying-policy: GPL
End

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Libc6 progress for contrib and non-free (Dec 1997)

1997-12-12 Thread Richard Braakman
This is a list similar to the Libc6 progress list, but for contrib
and non-free.  Because source code is not available for many of these
packages, it will not be possible to convert all of them to libc6.

This list has had much less scrutiny than the other one, and is
therefore more likely to contain errors.

There are 24 packages from contrib on this list, and 53 from non-free.

I will not be maintaining this list the way I do the other one (it
would be too much work), but I may occasionally post a new version.
(I'm posting this one because I have received requests for such a list).

Nicolas Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: btoa-5.2.1-2

Susan G. Kleinmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: netpbm-dev-1994.03.01p1-6
  non-free: netpbm-1994.03.01p1-6
  non-free: ckermit-192-4(extra)

Jeroen van der Most [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: dmalloc-3.1.2-1

David Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: networker-4.2-1

Heiko Schlittermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: qt1g-1.31-1.3
  contrib: logwrites-1.1-3
  contrib: dbf2mysql-1.10b-2
  non-free: qt-dev-1.31-1
  non-free: xforms0.86-0.86-2
  non-free: xforms-dev-0.86-2

Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: pico-3.96L-2
  non-free: pine-3.96L-2

Bdale Garbee [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: xtrkcad-1.2.1-2

Alexander Yukhimets [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  contrib: ddd-dmotif-2.1.1-2
  contrib: ddd-smotif-2.1.1-2

Johnie Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  contrib: metrox-3.1.2-1(extra)

Luca Maranzano [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  contrib: xisp-2.1-1

Colin R. Telmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: oonsoo-1.1-6 (Mixed dependencies)

Christian Meder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: afbackup-2.6-1

Vincent Renardias [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  contrib: kaffe-0.7.1-2
  non-free: xmayday-1.2.0-1
  non-free: scilab-2.2-4
  contrib: xldlas-0.85-1

Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: squake-1.09-1.1-4
  contrib: rvplayer-5.0b2-1
  non-free: xquake-1.09-1.0-4
  non-free: kmodplayer-0.3-1

Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: glimpse-4.0-1
  non-free: swish-1.1.1-2

Christophe Le Bars [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: ocamltk-41-1
  non-free: mmm-0.40-2

Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  contrib: ifmail-2.12tx8.6-1(extra)
  contrib: binkd-0.9.1-1(extra)

Stuart Lamble [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  contrib: lyx-0.10.7-3

Steve Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: amaya-static-0.95-1
  contrib: xtar-smotif-1.4-2
  contrib: xtar-dmotif-1.4-2
  non-free: amaya-0.95-1
  non-free: thot-common-2.0b-1

Brian White [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  contrib: netscape3-3.01-10
  contrib: netscape4-4.0-6
  non-free: ferret-1.2.1-1

Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  contrib: staroffice3-3.1-4
  non-free: libmsql1-1.0.16-7
  contrib: msqlperl-1:0.91-1
  non-free: rman-2.5a6-4
  non-free: msql-1.0.16-7
  contrib: libdbd-msql-perl-0.91-1
  contrib: libdbi-perl-0.89-1
  non-free: msqld-1.0.16-7
  non-free: xwpick-2.20-3

Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: bigloo-1.8b-3

Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: xmikmod-0.01B-4

John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: xsqlmenu-1.03-2

Dermot Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: libgd1-1.2-3 (Upgrade in Incoming)

(orphan):
  non-free: tkman-1.8-2
  contrib: xephem-smotif-3.0-1
  non-free: chimera-1.65-4
  non-free: xarchie-2.0.10-6
  non-free: j1-7-7 (Old source format)
  non-free: mathpad-0.60-0
  non-free: rsynth-2.0-1(extra)
  non-free: imgstar-1.1-3

Igor Grobman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: circus-0.43-1

Pawel Wiecek [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: mush-7.2.5unoff2-3

Klee Dienes [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  contrib: swig-1.1.b5.p2-1
  non-free: acroread-3.0-1
  non-free: koules-1.3-2

Jay Kominek [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: ines-0.7-1

Lawrence Chim [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  contrib: metro-motif-lib-2.0-2(extra)
  contrib: metro-motif-demobin-2.0-2(extra)

Hanno Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: http-analyze-1.9e-2

Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: jdk1.1-dev-1.1.3.v2-1
  non-free: jdk1.1-runtime-1.1.3.v2-1

Marco Budde [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  non-free: l3-2.71-1


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Libc6 progress: 1997-12-12

1997-12-12 Thread Richard Braakman
This is a list of packages in the main distribution that need work to
be fully libc6-based.  I base it on the Packages file at my local mirror,
so it may be a day or two out of date.  If you have questions about why
a particular package is on the list, or if you think there is an error,
don't hesitate to contact me.

Packages addressbook, cdwrite, cern-httpd, cgi-scripts, e2fsprogs,
lacheck, libpwdb0, lshell, net-acct, perforate, setcd, ucblogo,
whirlgif, xarclock, xbattle, and xpostitplus have been converted to
libc6.

Packages cfgtool, nat, and postgres95 have been removed from the
distribution.  Package dbf2mysql has been moved to contrib.  Package
j1 has been moved to non-free.  Packages oonsoo, pari, and unarj have
been moved to non-free and converted to libc6.

There is a new smail version but it is still libc5.

Package xosview has been moved from contrib to main and has a new
maintainer, but it is still libc5.

I have removed comerr2, glut-dev, mesa-dev, and libpwdb-dev from the
list.  These packages are obsolete because libc6 (or altdev) versions
of them exist, so they don't belong on a list of packages to convert
to libc6.

I merged in the information from the new Work-Needing document.

This leaves 117 packages in the list, with 6 upgrades on the way.

Alan Bain [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  f2c-960717-0 (Old source format)

Heiko Schlittermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  wu-ftpd-2.4-27
  wml-1.3.1-1
  sliphangup-1.4-1(extra)
  exuberant-ctags-1:1.6-1
  wu-ftpd-academ-2.4.2.13-0

Will Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  rosegarden-2.1-2(extra) (Depends on both xlib6 and xlib6g)

Martin Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  wxwin-ol-dev-1.66B-1
  wxwin-ol-runtime-1.66B-1
  wxwin-dev-1.66B-1
  wxwin-ol1-1.66B-1

Soenke Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  smail-3.2.0.92-1(important)

Johnie Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  libfcgi1-1.5.1-1
  php-2.0b10-5(extra)

Igor Grobman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  grmonitor-0.53-2 (Difficult)

joost witteveen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  nfsroot-0.5
  axe-6.1.2-6  (Listed as Needing a new maintainer)
  wm2-3-2  (Listed as Needing a new maintainer)
  pstoedit-2.60-1  (Listed as Needing a new maintainer)

Yoshiaki Yanagihara [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  kterm-6.2.0-5

Dominik Kubla [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  vgrind-5.7-10

Stephan Alexander Suerken [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  gom-x-0.29.10-1  (Mixed dependencies)

Lawrence Chim [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  cqcam-0.40b-2(extra) (Being worked on)
  vic-cqcam-2.8-2(extra) (Being worked on)

David H. Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  yorick-gist-1.4-5(New version is still libc5)
  yorick-1.4-5 (New version is still libc5)

Neil A. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  wmaker-0.6.3-1   (Mixed dependencies)
  afterstep-1.0-5  (Mixed dependencies)

Christian Meder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  amanda-client-2.3.0.4-2
  amanda-2.3.0.4-2

Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  spider-1.1-4
  imap-4-4-4

Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  psutils-1.17-1   (Will be taken by Rob Browning)

Peter Tobias [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  enscript-1.5.0-3 (Upgrade in Incoming)

Karl Sackett [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  libtclobjc1-1.1b6-1
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  blt2-2.1-6
  scm-4e6-2

Sue Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  lapack-2.0.1-1

Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  omirr-0.3-1  (Difficult)

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  xcdroast-0.96-1  (Waiting for upstream version)

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  icont-9.1-1
  iconx-9.1-1
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  ax25-utils-2.1.37a-1(extra)

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  bitchx-bin-0.70-2

David Frey [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  pax-2.1-3(Waiting for the OpenBSD-Version (in Incoming))

Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  super-3.10.6-3
  mdutils-0.35-5(extra)
  dbview-1.0.3-3

Tom Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  e2compr-1.06-2(extra) (Difficult; awaiting consensus)
  xmp-0.99c-2(extra)   (Waiting for upstream release)
  iproute-961225-2(extra) (Difficult; being worked on)

Hakan Ardo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  xfaces-3.3-9 (Depends on both xlib6 and xlib6g)

Radu Duta [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  xosview-1.5.0-1

Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  cti-ifhp-2.1.8-1

Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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Fabien Ninoles [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  vrweb-1.3-1

Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  xinetd-2.1.7-3(extra)

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  dome-4.60-1  (Compiled with libc6, but segfaults on execution)
  radiusd-livingston-1.16-2

John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  modemu-0.0.1-1
  perl-curses-1.01-1
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James 

Re: fdisk3

1997-12-12 Thread bruce
The author seems to have dropped the project after releasing
fdisk3. There never has been a good user interface for it.

Bruce


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Re: fdisk3

1997-12-12 Thread G John Lapeyre

On 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The author seems to have dropped the project after releasing
 fdisk3. There never has been a good user interface for it.

The interface works the same as fdisk , (which I often prefer to
cfdisk).  The lack of curses interface is a problem.  But the there are
some situations where fdisk can't read a broken table and fdisk3 can , and
can repair it (saved my life once).  I was thinking of adding it, as the
author suggests and as I did on my system, as fdisk3 .  I suppose lack of
support for bug fixes is also a potential problem.

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Re: fdisk3

1997-12-12 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, G John Lapeyre wrote:

   I can't search the archives. Has there been discussion on this ? 
 I just answered a debian-user question about fixing a broken partition
 table.  fdisk3 worked once for me in this situation when fdisk failed. 
 Its not in my available file.  Do we want it packaged as fdisk3 ?

I think that program is now called sfdisk (same author, last version is
3.05, date: 970501). If that's true it would be nice to have it packaged,
since Sven has been testing sfdisk for the boot-floppies. (IIRC, he had
some problems with sfdisk locking freeze his computer. I don't know if he
has been able to isolate the bug).

Thanks,
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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Andreas Jaeger
 Scott Ellis writes:

Scott On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
 On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Scott Ellis wrote:
 [...]
 How do I know which type of utmp/wtmp I'm currently using, my package
 'TCPQuota' is using utmp to find out the users online... That is, when
 (exactly) did the utmp/wtmp file changed?

Scott The change in utmp was made when libc6 was released.  If your program is
Scott libc6, the libc6 utmp/wtmp functions should be used at all times.

Just use the libc functions setutent/getutent. They're available in
both libc5 and glibc2. If you're never writing/reading the files
directly (opening them), you don't have problems. Even with
glibc2/libc6 you shouldn't access the files directly and use the
library functions always.

I've appended below an extract from glibc2.

Andreas

From login/README.utmpd in the development version of glibc 2.1:

In order for the `utmpd' approach to work it is essential that NO
program EVER accesses the UTMP and WTMP files directly.  Instead, a
program should use ONLY the available library functions:

 * utmpname()   Select the database used (UTMP, WTMP, ...).
 * setutent()   Open the database.
 * getutent()   Read the next entry from the database.
 * getutid()Search for the next entry with a specific ID.
 * getutline()  Search for the next entry for a specific line.
 * pututline()  Write an entry to the database.
 * endutent()   Close the database.
 * updwtmp()Add an entry to a database (WTMP, ...).

For details, please refer to `The GNU C Library Reference Manual',
which also contains information about some additional functions
derived from BSD and XPG that may be of interest.  The command

info libc User Accounting Database

should point you at the right location.

If you encounter a program that reads from or, even worse, writes to
the UTMP and WTMP files directly, please report this as a bug to the
author of that program.  Note that the files referred to by the macros
`_PATH_UTMP' and `_PATH_WTMP' might even disappear in the future, so
please do not use these, except in a call to `utmpname()' or
`updwtmp()', not even to check their existence.


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Re: Bug#15859: libc6 in stable is horribly broken

1997-12-12 Thread Chris Fearnley
Moved to debian-devel

'Scott Ellis wrote:'

On 13 Dec 1997, Martin Mitchell wrote:

 Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Huh? The upgrade path is quite clear: install a newer libc5 (5.4.33-7)
   from hamm, then you may install libc6.
  
  Maybe we can fix this by making libc6 pre-depend on libc5 (=5.4.33-7)?
  This would mean we always have a libc5 present which is not very nice,
  but it would make the upgrade more foolproof.
 
 No, I think this would be highly undesirable for those who want to purge
 libc5 entirely. Libc6 should instead Conflict with libc5 (=5.4.33-6).

Now that's about the STUPIDEST suggestion I've heard yet.  Are we TRYING
to make it impossible to run libc6 stuff on a mostly bo system?  The only
conflict is the utmp format problem, and that is MINOR to many people.

Actually, I think Martin is correct.  In order to prevent CDROM based
1.3.1 users from corrupting their utmp, libc6 must conflict with older
libc5.  Modulo my typo (Martin's = is right, not my ), I think my
other post suggests the best solution.  Of course, upgrading will need
to involve upgrading libc5 before installing libc6 for the first
time.  But this is acceptable to me.  The conflict line tells me to
find a newer version.  But libc5's conflict with libc6 IS totally
broken wrt upgrades (it is both untrue and uninformative).

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Re: Is cp -a allowed in debian/rules?

1997-12-12 Thread Oliver Elphick
Douglas Bates wrote:
  Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   On 11 Dec 1997, Douglas Bates wrote:
   
I have a vague recollection of seeing some comments regarding flags
for cp that should be avoided in packaging scripts.  Perhaps this was
in the discussion of bashisms.
   
   I don't remember anything like that. Debian ships with `GNU cp', so I
   don't see a reason for not using the `-a' option. (I'd prefer the `-a'
   solution over the `tar' hack since it's much easier to read.) 
  
  But consider the recent discussion of porting dpkg to other systems.
  If you were using dpkg on Solaris or HP-UX or ... you may not be able
  to count on cp understanding the -a flag.

So use this, which should work on any Unix anywhere:

  cd source; find . -print | cpio -pdm target

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Re: Bug#15859: libc6 in stable is horribly broken

1997-12-12 Thread Scott Ellis
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Chris Fearnley wrote:

 Actually, I think Martin is correct.  In order to prevent CDROM based
 1.3.1 users from corrupting their utmp, libc6 must conflict with older
 libc5.  Modulo my typo (Martin's = is right, not my ), I think my
 other post suggests the best solution.  Of course, upgrading will need
 to involve upgrading libc5 before installing libc6 for the first
 time.  But this is acceptable to me.  The conflict line tells me to
 find a newer version.  But libc5's conflict with libc6 IS totally
 broken wrt upgrades (it is both untrue and uninformative).

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY WE'RE CAUSING EVERYONE HEADACHES OVER THE
MINOR ISSUE OF UTMP CORRUPTION   I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY REASONS WHY
UTMP CORRUPTION IS SO EVIL THAT WE NEED TO MAKE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO RUN A
FEW LIBC6 PROGRAMS ON BO GO THROUGH HELL.

(apologies for shouting here, but I'm getting annoyed at utmp corruption
being given as the reason for libc5 and libc6 conflicts without a rational
explination why anyone should care.  If you don't upgrade anything that
deals with utmp to libc6, you don't have any problems).

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Re: Bug#15859: libc5 in stable is horribly broken (fwd)

1997-12-12 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
On 12 Dec 1997, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

 Just use the libc functions setutent/getutent. They're available in
 both libc5 and glibc2.

Sorry... I'm using perl, and these functions are not avalible.. *sigh*

 If you're never writing/reading the files
 directly (opening them), you don't have problems. Even with
 glibc2/libc6 you shouldn't access the files directly and use the
 library functions always.

I know, but I do not have any options, the only thing I can do is reading
them directly...

 If you encounter a program that reads from or, even worse, writes to
 the UTMP and WTMP files directly, please report this as a bug to the
 author of that program.

*sigh* What can a poor perl proggrammer do...? :)

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Re: Is cp -a allowed in debian/rules?

1997-12-12 Thread James Troup
Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 But consider the recent discussion of porting dpkg to other systems.
 If you were using dpkg on Solaris or HP-UX or ... you may not be
 able to count on cp understanding the -a flag.

Fooblah.  Debian is about systems integration; GNU fileutils is an
Essential part of that system.  Do you want to ban the use of install
-p, features of GNU Make, $() in shell scripts etc.?  debian/rules not
only can but should assume it's running on a Debian system.

Unless someone wants to advocate the use of BSD cp because of it's
streamlined and feature free implementation?

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[From debian-doc] C-A-D entry in inittab

1997-12-12 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Thalia L. Hooker wrote:

 I wonder if it is a good thing to tell users that they can also use
 ctrl-alt-del to also shutdown their system? Suppose the user doesn't
 remember whether they set up their system for C+A+D. It seems that they
 would do more harm to their system by trying C+A+D if the event they had
 not set this option. Alternatively, is there a way that users could tell
 whether they have set this option? If so, then you could perhaps mention it
 in this section.

It's defined in /etc/inittab .
In a default Debian installation it looks like this:

[...]
# What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed.
ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -h now
[...]

According to /usr/doc/sysvinit/examples/inittab on my system, it's
actually:

  ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -r now
  ^

But I've changed the -r to -h as well...  Should this perhaps be the
default, together with an

  echo 'Press CTRL-ALT-DEL again to reboot.'

at the end of the shutdown script?  Doing this means you can shut down
easily, without having to remember to turn it off quickly after the
reboot starts, but before the machine comes back up again.

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intent to package tkfont

1997-12-12 Thread Adrian Bridgett
i'm about to package tkfont, which IMHO is different in style to xfontsel
(nicer in some ways, worse in others). The original description follows:

  It's a superior (IMHO) replacement for xfontsel written entirely in Tk/Tcl.
  It's much prettier and much more useful.  And it's only 14k to download!

Adrian

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Re: Bug#15859: libc6 in stable is horribly broken

1997-12-12 Thread Chris Fearnley
'Rob Browning wrote:'

Scott Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 If you don't upgrade anything that deals with utmp to libc6, you
 don't have any problems).

The problem is that maybe *you* know what packages those are, but most
users expect to be able to upgrade without major system services
breaking if dpkg/dselect doesn't indicate that there's a problem.
Your approach would cause silent failures.

The current approach causes silent failures.  Anyone who purchased an
official Debian CD will corrupt their utmp by upgrading to libc6.  Has
everyone looked at my proposed solution carefully?  Does it really
help?

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Re: Bug#15859: libc6 in stable is horribly broken

1997-12-12 Thread David Engel
On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 at 03:19:29PM -0500, Chris Fearnley wrote:
 Why should libc5 conflict with libc5-dev??

It doesn't need to.  The explicit version dependency in libc5-dev is
sufficient.

 Would this scheme improve things:
 
 libc5 (stable,unstable): No conflicts, no depends (pre-depends on
  ldso, of course)
 
 libc5-altdev:  Conflicts: libc5-dev

Doesn't need to.  It doesn't make any sense to do so, but there is no
reason libc5-dev and libc5-altdev can't both be installed.

 libc6: Conflicts: (libc55.4.33-6)
   (Necessary due to utmp issue -- Hell, someone upgrading from a CD
with stock 1.3.1 will be able to corrupt utmp in the current scheme
anyway!)

I can add this in the next release (due very soon) so let me know ASAP.

 libc6-dev: Conflicts: libc5-dev
   (libc6 development conflicts with libc5-dev -- need altdev)

Doesn't need to.  Both provide and conflict with the virtual libc-dev
package for just this situation.

 BTW, who is maintaining libc5, libc6?  Helmut Geyer is listed but I
 remember seeing that he has vanished??

Nobody is maintaining libc5.  Volunteers have been asked for but no
one has stepped forward.

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Re: Bug#15859: libc6 in stable is horribly broken

1997-12-12 Thread Joe Emenaker


On 12 Dec 1997, Rob Browning wrote:

 Scott Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY REASONS WHY UTMP CORRUPTION IS SO EVIL THAT WE
  NEED TO MAKE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO RUN A FEW LIBC6 PROGRAMS ON BO GO
  THROUGH HELL.

 Say you're an ISP running Debian (bo) on a bunch of machines (and
 these people do exist).

And I'm one of them. :)

Here's a thought. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this utmp/libc6/libc5
fiasco is something that applies to all (or almost all) Linux
distributions, no? (Or is libc6 a Debianism?)

If everybody in the Linux game is migrating to libc6, then what are the
other piecewise-upgradable distributions (like RedHat) doing to avoid
ugliness like what we're facing?

- Joe


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Re: packaging agrep

1997-12-12 Thread Roberto Lumbreras
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, G John Lapeyre wrote:

:  I am planning to package agrep, a grep-like tool that allows to
: 
:   We have it already.  I think it comes with glimpse .

Oh, it is true, agrep is in glimpse!

Well, I think prospective-packages.txt should be fixed...

...
6.  Programs that aren't available yet in Debian
...
6.6.  Text utilities
...
  o  agrep ftp://ftp.cs.arizona.edu/agrep

;-)

Regards,

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