Re: on forming a new Linux Distribution

[Kai Henningsen]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brederlow)  wrote on 07.05.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> "Rev. Joseph Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > [1  ]
> > On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 04:19:42PM +1000, John Boggon wrote:
> >
> > > Can someone tell me why a new distribution has to be started up just
> > > because the current one isn't newbie friendly or easy to install ?
>
> > There isn't really.
>
> Apart from flames one will get from Debian developers for using their
> work, especially when selling the distribution. And you get quite a
> lot.

What are you talking about?

Debian developers certainly _expect_ people to sell the distribution.  
That's why we make "official" CD images available.

MfG Kai


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Re: Two package proposals

[Kai Henningsen]

aj@azure.humbug.org.au (Anthony Towns)  wrote on 09.05.98 in <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>:

> On Sat, May 09, 1998 at 04:50:48PM +0300, Marc A. Volovic wrote:
> > 2. cons: alternative to make.
> > Likewise.
>
> Is there some more information about this somewhere?

Wasn't there an article about this in a recent Linux Journal? I remember  
some guy who was disenchanted with make wrote this in Perl.

MfG Kai


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leaving town for 1 week

[G John Lapeyre]

There is no possiblity that urgent bugs could arise in my packages
(because the packages are marginal) .  But if the impossible happens,
please feel free to upload a fix.

John

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Re: Intention to package x11amp

[Martin Mitchell]

Ben Gertzfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'll wait then. I was talking to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
> this, and whipped up some packages for the new version. They're
> done, but I won't upload them until Jens or Sami gets back to me.
> 
> Martin> Sami gave us http://www.x11amp.ml.org/ as website for
> Martin> x11amp.  I haven't checked if it's the same as above.
> 
> It's been moved to http://www.x11amp.bz.nu/ now.

I'd like to encourage the maintainer to ask them to release source under
a DFSG compatible license, so it can be placed in main, and so that it
may be compiled for other architectures.

Martin.


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Debian's focus

[Nils Lohner]

Of late, there seem to have been a lot of political discussions going on in 
this group.  These discussions all are intended to improve Debian:  its 
product, its internal operation, and its structure.  These are very 
important discussions that need to be held.

  It seems, however, that the time for these discussions should not be now.  
Debian is poised at the brink of a major release (2.0 Hamm), and a fair 
amount of work needs to be done.
  
  The departure of Christian leaves a good sized gap in the organization, 
and one that will not be easy to fill.  This was seemingly brought about by 
too many criticisms of policies and politics at a time when bug fixing is 
more important.  We can not afford to lose people like him.

  I would strongly urge that these discussions be tabled for a month or two, 
until Hamm is safely on its way.  The aim of Debian is to produce a Linux 
Distribution, and at a time when a major release is on the horizon that 
should be the primary concern of the organization.

  
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Need a CD of hamm

[Oliver Elphick]

Can anyone in UK make me a CD of current hamm, please. 

This is needed for Monday week.

(I know of a source in Germany, but I would like to save on postage and
currency translation.)


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Desire to Package Minivend

[Witwerg the Sage]

I'm working with a free GNU licensed shopping cart system called
Minivend,
and would like to know if anyone else was already doing it.

Philip Thiem
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Re: Two package proposals

[Anthony Towns]

On Sat, May 09, 1998 at 04:50:48PM +0300, Marc A. Volovic wrote:
>   2. cons: alternative to make.
>   Likewise.

Is there some more information about this somewhere?

Cheers,
aj

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Two package proposals

[Marc A. Volovic]

I would like to propose two packages which, in my opinion, would
not be amiss in Debian:

1. nslint: scans dns data and looks for problems.

Not GPL but free distribution of source and binary
code permitted.

2. cons: alternative to make.

Likewise.

I would be very grateful if anyone who is already considering one of
these lets me know, in order to limit duplication of effort.
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Re: GNU protocol

[Martin Schulze]

On Fri, May 08, 1998 at 10:03:03PM -0700, Darren wrote:

> What is considered polite with packages that don't (seem) to be maintained by
> the original author... say a package that came from sunsite that hasn't been
> updated since '95 and the email address in the package is no good...
> 
> I'm not really looking for what's legal but what's considered good manners if
> you would like to see the program start progressing again??

Well, I've got two such packages, now I'm their upstream maintainer,
too.  There's a third one but happily some other guys took it.  These
three packages are different to yours, we're still in contact with
the original authors - mainly.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: bug #21998 should be promoted to severe

[jdassen]

On Fri, May 08, 1998 at 07:59:21PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> It seems to me that bug #21998 against xbase (xbase provides a manpage
> for Xnest) should be promoted to severe: while this bug exists it's
> impossible to install xnest.
> 
> Am I way off base here?

Not really, except that Branden is aware of it, and has fixed it in his
development versions at http://master.debian.org/~branden/xfree86/ .

HTH,
Ray
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Re: Predepends query

[Andy Mortimer]

Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 7 May 1998, Andy Mortimer wrote:
> 
> > I guess it comes down to: does breaking dpkg-mountable count as stopping the
> > system functioning? Comments would be appreciated.
> 
> A PreDepends will do nothing to assure the safety of an already installed
> package, that is, as I understand your situation a PreDepends will not
> help solve your particular problem.

True. So if they don't have it installed they obviously aren't using it, and
so it won't be broken; once it's installed, it won't make any difference
anyway. I guess I might as well not bother, right?

Thanks,

Andy

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Re: GNU protocol

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Fri, May 08, 1998 at 10:03:03PM -0700, Darren wrote:
> This might not be the right place, but I figure it's a good place to start...
> 
> What is considered polite with packages that don't (seem) to be maintained by
> the original author... say a package that came from sunsite that hasn't been
> updated since '95 and the email address in the package is no good...
> 
> I'm not really looking for what's legal but what's considered good manners if
> you would like to see the program start progressing again??

There is some discussion of this in Eric Raymond's new "Homesteading the
Noosphere" -- http://sagan.earthspace.net/~esr/writings/homesteading/


Hamish

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Re: GNU protocol

[sjc]

On Fri, May 08, 1998 at 10:03:03PM -0700, Darren wrote:
> This might not be the right place, but I figure it's a good place to start...

Usually is I have found :)

> What is considered polite with packages that don't (seem) to be maintained by
> the original author... say a package that came from sunsite that hasn't been
> updated since '95 and the email address in the package is no good...

I dunno what other people consider "Polite", but here is how I would
handle it (read: IMHO).
I would make a little more effort to find the author...
do a web search from Altavista... search on the package name and
the authors name etc...
im nlt saying scour the web...just take a look around
see if you can contact them and see if they know of any effort already
being worked on (do wish to avoid duplication of effort)
if this doesn't seem to get anywhere quickly...then I would
say just grab it and start working

> I'm not really looking for what's legal but what's considered good manners if
> you would like to see the program start progressing again??
> 
Well if it is a GNU-style licence on the program...and noone else is 
doing anything (even if they are but..again..duplication of effort..
unless you want that)
then just grab the source and work on it yourself and add to the docs
a little paragraph about it and that you couldn't contact the
author 
-Steve

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GNU protocol

[Darren]

This might not be the right place, but I figure it's a good place to start...

What is considered polite with packages that don't (seem) to be maintained by
the original author... say a package that came from sunsite that hasn't been
updated since '95 and the email address in the package is no good...

I'm not really looking for what's legal but what's considered good manners if
you would like to see the program start progressing again??


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Moving to Texas, watch over my pkgs

[Adam Heath]

If any security concerns arise for pkgs, then please u/l nmu of them.

Txs.

Adam



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Moving to texas, need isp suggestions

[Adam Heath]

I am moving to Texas this weekend.  I need some suggestions for isp's in the
Dallas-Ft. Worth area.  Someone once sent me an email with a list of isp's,
but I lost it.

Adam


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Re: hamm

[James R. Van Zandt]

>On Wed, 6 May 1998, James R. Van Zandt wrote:
>> >..since
>> >I saw this thread I couldn't resist to ask: what's the recommended way
>> >(program) to keep an updated unstable distribution for a home user?
>> 
>> I don't know of any easy way.
>
>There is an easy way. I do it at home.
>
>   My personal traffic amounts to about 40 megs a week. (that's a one
>night update) This can be accomplished easily with apt.

Apt can keep an *installation* current.  The question was how to keep
a *distribution* (i.e. a hamm mirror) current.

 - Jim Van Zandt


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Re: Predepends query

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On 7 May 1998, Andy Mortimer wrote:

> I've just been testing the new version of dpkg-mountable -- nothing exciting,
> I'm afraid -- using a large set of packages to install, and I've hit a small
> problem. perl-base was predepended on by something, which caused it (using the
> usually-disabled predepends support) to remove perl. This broke
> dpkg-mountable, and I had to install perl by hand.

It might have been the perl/perl-base dependency loop..
 
> I guess it comes down to: does breaking dpkg-mountable count as stopping the
> system functioning? Comments would be appreciated.

A PreDepends will do nothing to assure the safety of an already installed
package, that is, as I understand your situation a PreDepends will not
help solve your particular problem.

Jason


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Sweden -> Canada (for keeps)

[Turbo Fredriksson]

Okay, it is now decided and done arguing...

I'm emigrating to Canada... Any fellow developer care to
help me fix 'Net access and a 'home of my own'? (In that
order... :)
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