Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages
On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 06:59:47PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Why does Debian only accept free software? What is so good about free software? It is all explained in this package. Indeed. If your objection remains, I will not upload the package. Why? Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: mass-installing Debian
On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 12:24:33PM +0200, Massimo Dal Zotto wrote: I'm working on an automatic installation tool. It as almost working. I will post more information in the following days. The basic idea is to record automatically all the answers given during the first installation and retrieve them from a db when installing identical machines. Are you doing that with expect? Ciao, Illo. -- Ilario Nardinocchi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Computer Science Adept since 1982 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Know-nothing-bozo rule: The views expressed above are entirely mine and do not represent the views, policy or understanding of any other person or official body.
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Re: Adoption of the FHS
On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 12:53:51PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Can I upload packages with the /usr/info - /usr/share/info modification? Yes you may :) GNU info has been set to read its files from that directory since long time ago, IIRC before hamm. Can I upload packages with the /usr/man - /usr/share/man modification? AFAIR, yes. -- enJoy -*/\*- http://jagor.srce.hr/~jrodin/
RE: why one rescue boot disk? (was Re: An 'ae' testimony)
-Original Message- From: Christian Leutloff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 11:42 AM To: Mark Blunier Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org; debian-boot@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: why one rescue boot disk? (was Re: An 'ae' testimony) Mark Blunier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My latest recovey floppy is not a floppy at all, but a bootable CD, that runs root the root fs in a ram disk, and then links back to the CD which is a complete copy of a working debian image. This gives me vi, emacs, X, copies of all the library files, and anything I'd might need to repair something thats broke. : superb, IMHO that's called a Live-CD. Would it be possible to : integrate the creation stuff into the debian-cd script? It would be : really nice if people can test Debian on a CD-ROM first. And it would be triply cool if you could front end it with a small kernel selector, to pick a kernel that supports your hardware. The current kernels are pretty good, but there are a couple of choices. Then it could be a generic rescue CD. And by the way, why isn't this a package ? At least the iso-image generation part of it if the cd image is too big (I would think it is). Share the wealth, this sounds like a really, really nice tool. -- Dean Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 94 TT :)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: why one rescue boot disk? (was Re: An 'ae' testimony)
On 24 May 1999, Christian Leutloff wrote: superb, IMHO that's called a Live-CD. Would it be possible to integrate the creation stuff into the debian-cd script? It would be really nice if people can test Debian on a CD-ROM first. I suppse that could be done. I've been making the CD's image from a partition with debian installed (hdb3), but running linux off an installation on hdb2. This made things easier for developement work. Mark Blunier Live CD project http://www.ocslink.com/~blunier/
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what's our stance on the opencontent license?
http://www.opencontent.org/opl.shtml Did we already have a discussion about this? Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | |PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey| -- | You think you're so smart, but I've seen you naked | | and I'll prob'ly see you naked again ... | | --The Barenaked Ladies, Blame It On Me | --
Re: why one rescue boot disk? (was Re: An 'ae' testimony)
Well, for as long as I've been using Debian(shortly after 1.3.1 came out), the CD has been bootable, and useable as a rescue disk. Sure, it's not completely useful, but you can boot from it, get a shell, etc...for compatability with older systems without the boot from CD in their BIOS, we need to continue development of the floppy install method, but I agree that the CD boot could give more features than the floppies. Dave Bristel On 24 May 1999, Christian Leutloff wrote: Date: 24 May 1999 17:42:21 +0200 From: Christian Leutloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Blunier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-boot@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: why one rescue boot disk? (was Re: An 'ae' testimony) Resent-Date: 24 May 1999 17:57:07 - Resent-From: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; Mark Blunier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My latest recovey floppy is not a floppy at all, but a bootable CD, that runs root the root fs in a ram disk, and then links back to the CD which is a complete copy of a working debian image. This gives me vi, emacs, X, copies of all the library files, and anything I'd might need to repair something thats broke. superb, IMHO that's called a Live-CD. Would it be possible to integrate the creation stuff into the debian-cd script? It would be really nice if people can test Debian on a CD-ROM first. Bye Christian -- Dipl.-Ing. Christian Leutloff, Aachen, Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oche.de/~leutloff/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.de.debian.org/ pgpyF2yEeyCHo.pgp Description: PGP signature
NDN(2): Re: Time to rewrite dpkg
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Re: An 'ae' testimony
Enrique Zanardi writes: On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 01:33:43AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: I really thing Tom's Root Boot or something similar is the way to go. Tom's crams an amazing amount of stuff into one floppy, using tricks like rewriting common unix utilities in awk so they take up less space. We have a lot of common unix utilities on just a single program: busybox. But Tom's disks use another little trick: non-common disk format (1680 KB IIRC). I tried using a non-common format for slink and almost drowned under the waterfall of bug reports, so I moved back to 1.44 MB. I'll try a different format for potato, let's see what happens... OK, in that case we'll have to make a break between the boot _floppies_ and the floppy images used on the CDs. El Torito _only_ supports 720K, 1440K and 2880K. And I'm not sure about the last one... -- Steve McIntyre, CURS CCE, Cambridge, UK. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use Debian GNU/Linux - upgrade your Windoze box today! http://www.debian.org/ Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky, +-- Tongue-tied twisted, Just an earth-bound misfit, I... |Finger for PGP key
Re: An 'ae' testimony
Hamish Moffatt wrote: I don't know about that. I'll soon be working on some console-based software. I thought I'd go with slang since it is nice and modern, as opposed to ncurses. I read some of the doco -- actually, I don't need an embedded program language, just a text display library! So I will stick with ncurses. Slang is quite usable as just a text display library. You can ignore the embedded language aspects. It's a weird library. Should really be two separate libs I think. -- see shy jo
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Re: a question about scsi installs
Daryl Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i would like to install debian on a dell poweredge 4300 with a PERC/2 SC raid scsi controller from AMI. ... there is a driver available from the manufacturer of this card, however it does not appear to be on any debian installation media or software. is there support planned for this card during installation in the future, or is there some way currently, to bootstrap to a point where i can install the driver? tips, suggestions, rtfms with a pointer to the fm are all welcome. your help would be greately appreciated. I suggest this procedure: 1. Make a Debian installation floppy by writing resc1440.bin to it. 2. On some working Linux system with 2.0.x kernel sources, configure and build a kernel that includes the drivers for your SCSI adapter and your other hardware. cd /usr/src/linux make config make bzImage 3. Mount the above installation floppy (it has an ordinary DOS filesystem on it) and copy the above kernel image to it: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /mnt/linux umount /mnt 4. You may not be able to use any of the modules on the modules floppy, but if you included all the necessary drivers as suggested above, you should not need them. Good luck! - Jim Van Zandt
Re: Request for package: swatch
So I wish some member will make Debian package of swatch-3.0b1 replacing my old swatch package of Debian JP. I forgot important informations. swatch-3.0b1 can be found in ftp://ftp.stanford.edu/general/security-tools/swatch and it is written as follows in COPYRIGHT: swatch: The Simple WATCHdog Copyright (C) 1999 E. Todd Atkins This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or any later version. Thanks in advance, 1999.5.25 -- Debian JP Developer - much more I18N of Debian Atsuhito Kohda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Math., Tokushima Univ.
Re: why equivs won't (yet) work for metapackages
Adam Di Carlo wrote:
. when you run dh_gencontrol, I suggest you run 'dh_gencontrol -u-isp'
(I don't understand why this isn't the default)
Um, it is:
doit(dpkg-gencontrol,-l$changelog,-isp,-p$PACKAGE,
-Tdebian/$EXT\substvars,-P$TMP,@{$dh{U_PARAMS}});
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Intent to package: IBM Visualization Data Explorer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- For info about it, it's on http://www.research.ibm.com/dx/ It's not available in source as yet, it will be on 26/5 (tomorrow that is) so I'll have to wait first for the license to be checked. I suppose I should cross-post this to -legal, right? PS. Cc me as I am not on the list. PS2. If someone has already asked for this before me, I apologize and withdraw. - -- Konstantinos Margaritis -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBN0nZg/alfJok8qABAQHCRAP/V04BwGQj3rSli2hynTWpTDcFG+h3jVNd AqgMXFXfHEZTTQszI7QGkLWFM2yBCzN1vIAd95NQg0YafDH+ozqjbB0jmQflb+J8 3vyhdbeglEMq++BQhej4B+zOO2XqrQXqNp6wCD1wk4Ex39ytd9z5BEmkIQ53NlPu 5Z702k1IBBU= =NRQC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: request to kill nag messages
Christian Kurz wrote: Well what is the problem with this? I don't see any offence in getting a message that says that I (the maintainer) has still open bug over a certain age. I think this is a good reminder for the maintainers as you may forget to fix bugs. Take a look at the ppp-package and how many open bugs there have been. The maintainer hadn't fixed them and so I helped him. (Sorry Phil, but this is a good example and No, I don't want to praise me with this). Or have you taken a look at the list on http://master.debian.org/~ajt/bugsbyage.txt? Have you seen how many open old bugs we got? How do you think we get this fixed without reminding the developers of their open bugs? I would like to take this opportunity to point out that the BTS has a web interface. It even has seperate pages listing all bugs owned by a maintainer. Most web browsers have bookmark machanisms. I'll let you figure the rest out for yourself. -- see shy jo
Intent to package: cooledit
On Fri, 14 May 1999, Leon Breedt wrote: Martin Schulze spake thus: I wonder if/when/why not/how/who there is/will be/will package the CoolEdit HTML editor? The author works for the same company as I do, and asked me to package it, but I really don't have the time. I'd appreciate it, and I know he would, if someone could package it for Debian. I hearby state my intention to package cooledit, smalledit, coolicon, coolman, and libcw (the widget library they rely on). - Tom
Re: Real releases G2 player alpha
Edward Betts wrote: Has any attempt been made to conntact Real and ask whether they want a .deb package on their download page? It could be done properly then (apart from being non-free). No, but I welcome anyone doing so. -- see shy jo
Re: what's our stance on the opencontent license?
On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 05:47:57PM -0400, Will Lowe wrote: http://www.opencontent.org/opl.shtml Did we already have a discussion about this? Yeah, it needs some work. Problem is that I do not receive answers to my inquiries. We opened a board a year ago (with me as a member), but discussion dropped dead shortly after beginning. :( Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages
Why does Debian only accept free software? What is so good about free software? It is all explained in this package. There are other reasons that free software is good (e.g. the ESR utilitarian arguments). Some Debianers might agree with one philosophy, others another. um.. Debian GNU/Linux ^^^ I'd say that's reason enough for us to include them. Though of course you *are* free to dissent in a constitutional anarchy ;-) - Ron. who wonders why ESR continually misspelled bizarre.. 8 ~~ Debian. Because all Linux distributions are equal.. It's just that some are more equal than others. ~~
Re: An 'ae' testimony
On 21 May 1999, Chris Waters wrote: This is an *emergency* editor we're talking about here, not something you'll end up using day after day. It really doesn't need to be perfect, just good enough. Let's not loose sight of the goal here. /me hides :) As I have stated several times on irc, and been laughed at several times, I use ae on a daily basis. All my editting is done with it, including my programming. I am quite familiar with the keystrokes that it binds to. Adam
Intent to package: edb
Hi, I have packaged edb, a GPL'd database program for GNU Emacs. More info about edb can be fount at ftp://theory.lcs.mit.edu/pub/people/mernst/edb/ I will upload it in a few days. -- Takao KAWAMURA
Intent to package: elisp-manual-ja, emacs-lisp-intro-ja, emacs-manual-ja
Hi, I have packaged elisp-manual-ja, emacs-lisp-intro-ja, and emacs-manual-ja. These packages contain the Emacs-Lisp manual, Programming in Emacs Lisp, and the Emacs manual translated into Japanese, respectively. I will upload them in a few days. -- Takao KAWAMURA
Re: Adoption of the FHS
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 12:53:51PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Can I upload packages with the /usr/info - /usr/share/info modification? Yes you may :) GNU info has been set to read its files from that directory since long time ago, IIRC before hamm. Okay, then I propose that we next should have install-info changed, so the default infodir is /usr/share/info instead of the current /usr/info. - Jim Van Zandt
Re: request to kill nag messages
Dale Scheetz wrote: One way to deal with this is to just mark all your bugs as wish list. The nags don't react to wish list bugs ;-) I hope you arn't seriously advocating that. It's fine for you, if you can keep straight whoch of the bugs are real bugs that need to be fixed. But if anyone else wants to look at and try to fix old bugs, they'll likely skip wishlisted items. -- see shy jo
Re: An 'ae' testimony
On Mon, 24 May 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote: Slang is quite usable as just a text display library. You can ignore the embedded language aspects. It's a weird library. Should really be two separate libs I think. That would help the space problem on the boot disks Mark
Re: [RFD] epic4 - default script ?
Hello, in ircII i have patched the bin to search in /etc/irc/scripts/ I provide a small local which does not install much scripts, just a few setups. This script will be moved from the inst scripts if they are found in /usr/lib/. I will need to move the ircII scripts which are provided with the client to /usr/share/ircII/scripts/ So, why dont u install all scripts in /usr/share/epic/scripts and use a /etc/irc/scripts/local.epic empty but as a conffile. Greetings Bernd
Re: NDN: Re: Time to rewrite dpkg
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RE: why one rescue boot disk? (was Re: An 'ae' testimony)
On Mon, 24 May 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : superb, IMHO that's called a Live-CD. Would it be possible to : integrate the creation stuff into the debian-cd script? It would be : really nice if people can test Debian on a CD-ROM first. And it would be triply cool if you could front end it with a small kernel selector, to pick a kernel that supports your hardware. The current kernels are pretty good, but there are a couple of choices. Then it could be a generic rescue CD. In some of my test disks, I have included ide (and sbpcd) support in the kernel. After booting, the modules for sound, printing, serial, etc, are on the CD and can be loaded. A ide/scsi boot kernel should cover a large number of systems that can boot off CD. The disk is rather tight on space, and modules for sbpcd, aztcd, etc, don't fit on the boot disk. I'd need a mount a second floppy to get load the modules. As a side not, since the el torito CD's can use 1.44 or 2.88 meg boot images, a 2.88 meg boot image would provide a lot of space for jumbo kernels. I don't have a 2.88 meg drive, and haven't found a way to make one without one. If someone could send me the image of a 2.88 meg disk that has been made bootable with syslinux, I'd appreciate it. And by the way, why isn't this a package ? At least the iso-image generation part of it if the cd image is too big (I would think it is). Share the wealth, this sounds like a really, really nice tool. A few reasons. 1) I still consider my scripts to be in alpha development 2) In its current form, LiveCD depends on patches to the kernel to load a .tgz file as the root file system. The patch does seem to make the kernel bigger, but at this stage (alpha code), it makes the development cycle much easier than trying to create a boot disk with a compressed file system on it. 3) Other people havent shown much interest in the project. 4) I'm not a developer. Mark Blunier
Re: VA Research and linux.com
On 19-May-99 Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote: Joseph Carter proclaimed: Not to mention the longstanding rumors that soon Debian will be offered on VA's machines.. I thought VA already did Debian installs on request. Sort of. And Debian was dropped mainly because it was cheaper to support one installation than several. Yes, they too use a pre-built image. I have had a few long talks with people there about this at the Expo last weekend. The we hate Debian's install so screw them was mostly a red herring. Yes, the future is VERY cool for Debian. Wish I could say more.
Re: PROPOSAL: automatic installation and configuration
From: Massimo Dal Zotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PROPOSAL: automatic installation and configuration Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:01:57 +0200 (MEST) Hi, I have done a few experiments about automatic configuration of packages and have now some working code. I want to describe my ideas and how to integrate in the distribution. You can download my experimental but almost working code at: http://www.cs.unitn.it/~dz/debian/dpkggetconfig_1.0.deb [ excellent explenation deleted ] Comments? I like the idea and examples VERY much. This is the right aproach, IMHO - provide a program, hopefully get it inserted to the base system, and let packages start using it one by one, without forcing a major reorganization. Well done! Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England. | -- Anonymous pgpKoRl7sfKkA.pgp Description: PGP signature
packages for adoption
I would like to offer the following two packages for adoption or removal: upsd- I don't use it, but others apparently do, and there are no open bugs that I am aware of jaztool - I don't use it, I'm not sure anyone does. Rumor has it that a newer version of the Zip tools for Linux fully supports Jaz drives as well... dunno. There are two bugs that were forwarded upstream, but the upstream author is unresponsive. Bdale
Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages
Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't like Documentation-only packages if they are not specific to Debian. It's the 40 MB atromonical dataset in a smaller scale. Hmm... perhaps a more catching name like why-free would be better? No-one's going to read gnu-philosophy :-) I hope not :) GNU-free is not Debian-Free. A why-free packages should explain the freeness of debian as a hole. a lot of Debian-free stuff isn't free in the GNU-free sense. Then at least it should be why-free-gnu so somebody could package a why-free-bsd, why-free-X etc. -- Peter er den mindst gamle af de gammeldags usenettere, og moderator på den eneste modererede gruppe i dk.*, so there. - citat RockBear
Re: Suggestion: new debian archive section
Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I propose that the distribution should have a new debian section which would be the place to put all of the Debian-specific packages, This or some way to make orthogonal sections would be great. -- Peter er den mindst gamle af de gammeldags usenettere, og moderator på den eneste modererede gruppe i dk.*, so there. - citat RockBear
Re: An 'ae' testimony
On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 09:50:46PM -0500, Mark Blunier wrote: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote: Slang is quite usable as just a text display library. You can ignore the embedded language aspects. It's a weird library. Should really be two separate libs I think. That would help the space problem on the boot disks No it won't, as the slang library on the rescue floppy is a stripped-down version that includes only the symbols that are actually used. (Have a look at generate-library.sh on the boot-floppies sources. It's a really smart hack). -- Enrique Zanardi[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#37424: purging lynx deletes /etc/lynx even if lynx-ssl is there
reassign 37424 lynx thanks Francesco Potorti` writes: Package: lynx-ssl Version: 2.8.1-1 Severity: normal I installed lynx-ssl, which removed lynx. I then purged lynx, which happily removed /etc/lynx.cfg, even if lynx-ssl was installed. I investigated a little more here. It is a bug in the postinst of lynx itself. If you install lynx /etc/lynx.cfg is listed as a conffile for lynx. If you then remove it and install lynx-ssl, the same /etc/lynx.cfg is listed as a conffile for lynx-ssl. Normally, if you now purge lynx, dpkg would not remove lynx.cfg because it is no longer registered as a conffile for lynx, but lynx has a special postrm which removes lynx.cfg on purge anyway. This should not be. Therefore I reassign the bug to lynx. I think there is also a bug in dpkg, because if different packages register the same conffile, the last one will silently win and dpkg will just overwrite the reference made my the first package. Therefore I file a bug to dpkg Christoph
NDN flood
On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 10:33:06 +1000, Ed Breen wrote: Why am i continually getting this stupid message: Because a subscriber's system/provider has braindead mail software installed. I've just notified the Debian listsmasters of this problem; hopefully it'll get fixed soon. Ray -- Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden.
Re: Adoption of the FHS
On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 09:24:48PM -0400, James R. Van Zandt wrote: Can I upload packages with the /usr/info - /usr/share/info modification? Yes you may :) GNU info has been set to read its files from that directory since long time ago, IIRC before hamm. Okay, then I propose that we next should have install-info changed, so the default infodir is /usr/share/info instead of the current /usr/info. Unfortunately, the install-info program is in the dpkg package, and we all know when does dpkg usually get updated... : -- enJoy -*/\*- http://jagor.srce.hr/~jrodin/
Re: mass-installing Debian
On Mon, May 24, 1999, Goswin Brederlow wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if dpkg would tell you what exactly has changed between the packages config file and what the difference to your config is? I allways wonder what has changed, since I normally haven't changed those files dpkg askes me about. Everything already exists in dpkg to perform this comparison : when dpkg prompts me for a config file replacement, I type `Z' to get a shell, and I use `diff package.conf package.conf.dpkg-new' to find out the differences between the two files... I think that making this step automatical would make a dpkg session too verbose and too prompting. -- MaXX
libdb[12] not DFSG-free ?
The http://www.sleepycat.com/packages/ URL in the debian/copyright in db2.diff seems to be outdated. When looking at http://abyssinian.sleepycat.com/db/ we MUST provide personal information (.../register.pl) in order to gain access to the package. -- Yann Dirson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: An 'ae' testimony
-Original Message- From: Steve McIntyre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 5:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: An 'ae' testimony Enrique Zanardi writes: snippage OK, in that case we'll have to make a break between the boot _floppies_ and the floppy images used on the CDs. El Torito _only_ supports 720K, 1440K and 2880K. And I'm not sure about the last one... I'm pretty sure that it will also support a hard disk partition image. That means that we can use a nice-sized debian system image as the rescue/install from CD. Take a look at : http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/2996/readme.html and http://www.nikko.simplenet.com/goldentime/bootcd1b.htm -- Dean Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 94 TT :)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PROPOSAL: automatic installation and configuration
-Original Message- From: Massimo Dal Zotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 6:02 PM To: debian-policy@lists.debian.org; debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: PROPOSAL: automatic installation and configuration Hi, I have done a few experiments about automatic configuration of packages and have now some working code. I want to describe my ideas and how to integrate in the distribution. You can download my experimental but almost working code at: http://www.cs.unitn.it/~dz/debian/dpkggetconfig_1.0.deb Excellent. Excellent, excellent, excellent. This is a crystallization of the amorphous cloudy idea I've been toying with. This is a great start. -- Dean Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 94 TT :)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: request to kill nag messages
On Mon, 24 May 1999, Joey Hess wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: One way to deal with this is to just mark all your bugs as wish list. The nags don't react to wish list bugs ;-) I hope you arn't seriously advocating that. It's fine for you, if you can keep straight whoch of the bugs are real bugs that need to be fixed. But if anyone else wants to look at and try to fix old bugs, they'll likely skip wishlisted items. Please note the smiley face (and the wink). I was trying to be as rediculous as the nag messages... Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian Linux User's Guide _-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (850) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Open Science, free software in Science
An interesting, although very preliminary (very few links or texts, at this time), attempt to emphasize the need for free software in Science. Good news for those who manage sets of scientific packages for Debian. http://www.openscience.org/ -- http://www.debian.org/~bortz/
ITP: fakedate
I intend to release a package of a little library I'm working on called fakedate. This will wrap the time() system call and make applications think that they are running on a different date. This is designed to be used for year 2000 testing but could be used for many other situations (EG if the system clock is inaccurate and you're not the sys-admin then you could give your email program the correct idea of the time). When in operation it will add an offset (may be negative for faking dates in the past) to the return of the time() system call. This offset can be specified in an environment variable or the file /etc/faketime.conf. Currently I have faketime.conf specifying the offset on a per-UID basis (EG I change the value for the UID of news to test INN), but I'll probably add some other options before I release it. If the library is put in /etc/ld.so.preload then it should work for all SUID programs as well (I'm still working on this). Let me know if you have any suggestions for this package. -- I am in London and would like to meet any Linux users here. I plan to work in London until April and then move to another place where the pay is good.
Re: I'd like to suggest a new installation method for Debian
Pauli Ojanpera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouldn't it be useful to have an option for Debian remote install through network? I mean this: - Boot the computer you're going to install Debian to with a installation boot disk. - Configure the installation through a telnet session using a remote workstation. - Get the packages through network. (tftp) Installer should have a network card driver (could a general ne2000 or some other driver be used?) and telnetd what else? What do you think? Or even better. Make a boot-disk on the server, stick it into a fresh system, boot, go to the cinema, come back to a finished installation. Or for the CD, select the bootdisk with the selection of packages you want or select the packages after booting from CD and configure them in the background while the system is installing. I working on a way to implement this. Packages will apear soon. May the Source be with you. Goswin
Re: mass-installing Debian
Michel Kaempf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 24, 1999, Goswin Brederlow wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if dpkg would tell you what exactly has changed between the packages config file and what the difference to your config is? I allways wonder what has changed, since I normally haven't changed those files dpkg askes me about. Everything already exists in dpkg to perform this comparison : when dpkg prompts me for a config file replacement, I type `Z' to get a shell, and I use `diff package.conf package.conf.dpkg-new' to find out the differences between the two files... I think that making this step automatical would make a dpkg session too verbose and too prompting. Thats one diff I would like to see. What about the changes the original config files from the package went through? Maybe I have chnaged option A in my file, but in the original file option B has changed its default. You can't detect whats changed by you and what by the maintainer. May the Source be with you. Goswin
Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages
On Mon, 24 May, 1999, Steve Greenland wrote: On 24-May-99, 12:59 (CDT), Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does Debian only accept free software? What is so good about free software? It is all explained in this package. There are other reasons that free software is good (e.g. the ESR utilitarian arguments). Some Debianers might agree with one philosophy, others another. If you're going to package one, and the justification is as above, then you need to package summaries of all the reasons. And if you want to you can package the ESR view point and upload it. I think it is important for an explanation of the benefits of free software to be included in Debian. A: The Debian web pages ought to do that. B: Aren't the Social Contract and DFSG already included? If so, then you might try to convince that package maintainer to include the GNU stuff. (If the DFSG and SC aren't included, why not?) Why should they include the GNU view of free software when there are others around? -- I consume, therefore I am pgptyA2CX5df0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages
On Mon, 24 May, 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 06:59:47PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Why does Debian only accept free software? What is so good about free software? It is all explained in this package. Indeed. If your objection remains, I will not upload the package. Why? Actually you are right, we are never going to have everybody being happy. I will upload later today. -- I consume, therefore I am pgpXOgnkzmZ2Y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Adoption of the FHS
On Mon, 24 May, 1999, Josip Rodin wrote: On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 12:53:51PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Can I upload packages with the /usr/info - /usr/share/info modification? Yes you may :) GNU info has been set to read its files from that directory since long time ago, IIRC before hamm. Can I upload packages with the /usr/man - /usr/share/man modification? AFAIR, yes. And /usr/doc - /usr/share/doc ? -- I consume, therefore I am pgp1WurOiscTd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages
On Sun, 23 May, 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: I have the same objection to this I had to the anarchist thing: You're trying to package their website. I don't think we should be doing that. I changed the description so it does not say it is a mirror anymore: new debian package, version 2.0. size 655030 bytes: control archive= 2736 bytes. 581 bytes,23 lines control 6139 bytes,70 lines md5sums 191 bytes, 6 lines * postinst #!/bin/sh 171 bytes, 6 lines * prerm#!/bin/sh Package: gnu-philosophy Version: 1.0 Section: doc Priority: optional Architecture: all Installed-Size: 1277 Maintainer: Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: Philosophy of the GNU Project Ideas about free software, and the reasons behind it. Adapted from the philosophy section of the GNU web site. . Table of Contents . * About Free Software * About the GNU project * Licensing Free Software * Laws * Terminology and Definitions * GIFs * Motivation * Speeches * Third Party Ideas * Translations of these documents Does that help at all? -- I consume, therefore I am pgpLsdNIeQQid.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages
Another thought, here is the current doc-base file: Document: gnu-philosophy Title: Philosophy of the GNU Project Author: Richard M. Stallman, Georg C. F. Greve, Tom Hull, Kragen Sitaker, Loyd Fueston, Michael Stutz, Bjørn Remseth, and others Abstract: Ideas about free software, and the reasons behind it. Adapted from the philosophy section of the GNU web site. Includes texts: About Free Software, About the GNU project, Licensing Free Software, Laws, Terminology and Definitions, GIFs, Motivation, Speeches, Third Party Ideas, Translations of these documents. Section: debian Format: HTML Index: /usr/doc/gnu-philosophy/html/philosophy/philosophy.html Files: /usr/doc/gnu-philosophy/html/philosophy/*.html In my opinion the section should not be debian, but none of the other section appear to be the right one, where should it go? -- I consume, therefore I am pgprCUfz0oUGE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages
Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why should they include the GNU view of free software when there are others around? Maybe because we're Debian _GNU_/Linux?
Re: Adoption of the FHS
On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 07:48:54AM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Can I upload packages with the /usr/info - /usr/share/info modification? Yes you may :) GNU info has been set to read its files from that directory since long time ago, IIRC before hamm. Can I upload packages with the /usr/man - /usr/share/man modification? AFAIR, yes. And /usr/doc - /usr/share/doc ? That one I seriously doubt. -- enJoy -*/\*- http://jagor.srce.hr/~jrodin/
Re: ITP: fakedate
On Tue, 25 May, 1999, Russell Coker wrote: I intend to release a package of a little library I'm working on called fakedate. This will wrap the time() system call and make applications think that they are running on a different date. This is designed to be used for year 2000 testing but could be used for many other situations (EG if the system clock is inaccurate and you're not the sys-admin then you could give your email program the correct idea of the time). Or a clever wrapper for shareware style trial packages for linux that stop working after a certian time. I don't think there are any yet, but when linux is popular there will be. And yes, I know it is the wrong thing to do, and yes I know running time limited shareware is the wrong thing to do, but it was just an idea. -- I consume, therefore I am pgpvBJtCKzvDf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Intent to package: xplanet
Hi, I packaged xplanet a while ago as I use it at work and I don't like stuff in /usr/local/. | 19:23:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| ~/upload $dpkg -I xplanet_0.1*.deb | new debian package, version 2.0. | size 20520 bytes: control archive= 526 bytes. | 604 bytes,13 lines control | Package: xplanet | Version: 0.1-1 | Section: graphics | Priority: optional | Architecture: i386 | Depends: glutg3 (= 3.6-1), imlib1, libc6, libjpeg62, libpng2, libstdc++2.9, libtiff3g, libungif3g (= 3.0-2) | giflib3g (= 3.0-5.2), mesag3, xlib6g (= 3.3.2.3a-2), zlib1g (= 1:1.1.3) | Installed-Size: 50 | Maintainer: James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Description: render images of the earth | xplanet is similar to xearth, where an image of the earth is rendered | into the X root window. Both mercator and orthographic projections | can be displayed as well as a window with a globe the user can rotate | interactively. | 19:23:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| ~/upload $ I'm also about to adopt libcdaudio and upload cdcd (as I suggested I would a long time ago). -- James
Re: ITP: fakedate
Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...regarding time-travel library...] Or a clever wrapper for shareware style trial packages for linux that stop working after a certian time. I don't think there are any yet, but when lin= ux is popular there will be. Presumably such shareware authors would be smart enough to statically link their binaries. -- ...dans ce pays-ci il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres. --Voltaire, _Candide_
ITP: libi18n-charset-perl
Hi, I intend to package the Perl module I18N::Charset. This module provides a mapping from character set names to the names officially registered with IANA. For example, 'Shift_JIS' is the official name of 'x-sjis'. It also maps character set names to Unicode::Map8 conversion scheme names (if Unicode::Map8 is installed). For example, the Unicode::Map8 scheme name for 'windows-1251' is 'cp1251'. Thanks, Ardo -- Ardo van Rangelrooij home email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] home page: http://www.tip.nl/users/ardo.van.rangelrooij PGP fp: 3B 1F 21 72 00 5C 3A 73 7F 72 DF D9 90 78 47 F9
Re: NDN(2): Re: Paying CD vendors for freebies
On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 03:53:48PM -0600, Post Office wrote: Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: Jorge Araya (Mailbox or Conference is full.) Hey - this is _really_ clever - it's noticed the NDN bit and added a count so it can keep track of how many times it goes round the mail loop. All software like this should keep track of which addresses it's already told about. Adrian (wondering why they didn't just think think hmm - that'll be a mailloop caused by our program being stupid then). email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett Windows NT - Unix in beta-testing. PGP key available on public key servers Avoid tiresome goat sacrifices -=- use Debian Linux http://www.debian.org
Re: ITP: fakedate
Russel Coker wrote: I intend to release a package of a little library I'm working on called fakedate. This will wrap the time() system call and make applications think that they are running on a different date. You might also be interested in these two packages: http://www.aivazian.demon.co.uk/tt/tt.html http://source.syr.edu/~jdimpson/proj/#timewarp They use different approach, but they may give you some ideas. Regards, Dima.
Re: ITP: fakedate
On 25 May 1999, Ben Pfaff wrote: Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...regarding time-travel library...] Or a clever wrapper for shareware style trial packages for linux that stop working after a certian time. I don't think there are any yet, but when lin= ux is popular there will be. Presumably such shareware authors would be smart enough to statically link their binaries. Isn't smart shareware author an oxymoron? ;) -- Jakob 'sparky' Kaivo - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ndn.net/ As time goes on, my signature gets shorter and shorter... - me
Re: www.de.debian.org
Torsten Landschoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 12:33:56PM +0200, Christian T. Steigies wrote: Hi, www.de.debian seems to have changed a little recently? TCP connection to 'www.de.debian.org' failed: Broken pipe. In the morning I got a different startup page for this server. Is this a temporary reconfiguration? Im also having some problems with ftp.de.debian.org According to Martin Schulze ftp.de.debian.org has moved - I am not sure about www.de.debian.org. It moved too. Sven -- Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.sax.de/~sr1/
Re: Paying CD vendors for freebies
On Sun, 23 May 1999, Adrian Bridgett wrote: On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 04:10:01PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: What I'm wondering is if we could make arrangements with them for something that would involve us paying for some of the CDs so we'd have more. At LinuxWorld, we really did not have enough to go around and the ones we had were gone in 30 minutes. How about having a donation box. Debian is a registered charity after all. With a suggested donation of a couple of dollars? I appreciate that this might be against the freebie policy, but would serve three purposes: a) disuade people who just pick it up because it's a freebie b) recoup some of the costs c) have more CDs left for the needy [1](because of a) [1] those still on bo or rex. On a related note, is my count off, or do we really only *need* to give out 2 CDs for most architectures? Granted, having source and contrib CDs on hand is nice and/or politically correct, but are they really necessary as freebies? If we don't need them, then we can quite easily double the number of potential installations without incurring any extra costs to us or to the CD vendor. Folks that really wanted either could then go to LC or Cheapbytes and pick up the remaining disks at a discount, or at full price, or whatever. Might even be some way to work this in with the idea of donations, but that's another matter entirely. Comments? -- Mike Renfro / Instructor, Basic Engineering Program 931 372-3601 / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mod_perl setup with apache on windows98
Hi List I'm trying to setup mod_perl with apache on windows98. I have apache1.3.6 installed and running, I also got binary version of mod_perl1.1.6 and installed it on windows98. then I copied ApacheModulePerl.dll in Module and set it into httpd.conf, I'm getting message that ApacheModulePerl.dll can not load and excution of Apache is terminated. Please guide me to setup mod_perl with apache so that I can use DBI. Thanks in advance Shashi
Intent to adopt: upsd
Bdale Garbee recently offered upsd for adoption, and if nobody else has plans for it, I'm willing to take it up. I'll probably do an upload over the weekend just to change the maintainer information. -- Nathan E. Sandver, KC7SQK [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Work smarter, not harder, and be careful of your speling.
Re: Paying CD vendors for freebies
On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 02:49:29PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a related note, is my count off, or do we really only *need* to give out 2 CDs for most architectures? Granted, having source and contrib CDs on hand is nice and/or politically correct, but are they really necessary as freebies? If we don't need them, then we can quite easily double the number of potential installations without incurring any extra costs to us or to the CD vendor. Folks that really wanted either could then go to LC or Cheapbytes and pick up the remaining disks at a discount, or at full price, or whatever. Might even be some way to work this in with the idea of donations, but that's another matter entirely. Comments? Definatly don't need contrib. Having a/the source CD was nice, being able to say Here's everything you need to make a Linux system... and if there's something you don't like, here's all the source to it -- Please cc all mailing list replies to me, also. = * http://benham.net/index.html[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * ---* * Debian Developer, Debian Project Secretary, Debian Webmaster * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * = pgp5gu8WoZIXp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ITP: libi18n-charset-perl
I just uploaded libunicode-map8-perl a couple of days ago. Also my wdg-html-validator uses a private copy of I18N::Charset because the authors said they had modified it from the CPAN version. I didn't check to see if it was true. Would you like to look at that package and see if we can cooperate? -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 25 May 1999, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote: Hi, I intend to package the Perl module I18N::Charset. This module provides a mapping from character set names to the names officially registered with IANA. For example, 'Shift_JIS' is the official name of 'x-sjis'. It also maps character set names to Unicode::Map8 conversion scheme names (if Unicode::Map8 is installed). For example, the Unicode::Map8 scheme name for 'windows-1251' is 'cp1251'. Thanks, Ardo -- Ardo van Rangelrooij home email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] home page: http://www.tip.nl/users/ardo.van.rangelrooij PGP fp: 3B 1F 21 72 00 5C 3A 73 7F 72 DF D9 90 78 47 F9 --
intent of package cdrtoaster
Hi all i would like to package cdrtoaster, a useful front end for cdparanoia, cdrecord, mkhybrid and mkisofs. It is written in tcl/tk and released under gpl. the upstream developer is Ian Kjos [EMAIL PROTECTED] best regards Andrea Fanfani -- Andrea Fanfani [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpJGffFJ7cRK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Adoption of the FHS
would be nice to have the compatibility stuff in one seperate package. e.g. one package, that symlinks /usr/share/doc to /usr/doc, /usr/share/man to /usr/man, /usr/share/info to /usr/info. remember that we want to get rid of the old stuff at some point, and this should be as smoth as possible. doing many packages twice (one dual mode package, one new) will not help. debhelper could inster into every postinst/rm a if test -f /usr/sbin/fhscompatmgr then fhscompatmgr fi with the automatic insertion, you only need to make sure your debhelper is up-to-date. later, in the next version after potato, the mechanism can be remove in debhelper, so new packages will not have it. few changes to every package, except useing new debhelper. and you need the new debhelper anyway, since it does the automatic manpage installation and such stuff. andreas
Re: Adoption of the FHS
On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 09:24:48PM -0400, James R. Van Zandt wrote: Can I upload packages with the /usr/info - /usr/share/info modification? Yes you may :) GNU info has been set to read its files from that directory since long time ago, IIRC before hamm. Okay, then I propose that we next should have install-info changed, so the default infodir is /usr/share/info instead of the current /usr/info. Unfortunately, the install-info program is in the dpkg package, and we all know when does dpkg usually get updated... : If necessary, an NMU can be performed once the FHS is adopted and an important bug report is made against dpkg. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey, Dept of Maths, QMW, Univ. of London. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Developer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -*- Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for my PGP public key. -*-
new package
Hi, I intend to make a deb package for my C interpreter EiC: http://www.pobox.com/~eic I have followed the howto and have made a debian package that installs and purges fine. However, when I use alien to make an rpm, and try to install the rpm I get a stack of dependency problems: failed dependencies: /bin/sh is needed by eic-4.0.1-2 ld-linux.so.2 is needed by eic-4.0.1-2 libc.so.6 is needed by eic-4.0.1-2 libm.so.6 is needed by eic-4.0.1-2 /home/edb/bin/eic is needed by eic-4.0.1-2 /usr/local/EiC/eic is needed by eic-4.0.1-2 /usr/local/bin/eic is needed by eic-4.0.1-2 but I have /bin/sh, ld-linux.so.2, libc.so.6. And I don't know why it is reporting that last 3 dependencies. These just don't make sense to me at all. I usually have EiC installed /usr/local and in my home directory -- but I removed these before I made the deb package, and I have searched the makefiles and scripts in the package and I can't get any clues why this is happening. I am using rpm 2.5.1-6, and slink. Ed. -- Ed. Breen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (http://www.pobox.com/~eic) -
Re: Paying CD vendors for freebies
On May 25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a related note, is my count off, or do we really only *need* to give out 2 CDs for most architectures? Granted, having source and contrib CDs on hand is nice and/or politically correct, but are they really necessary as freebies? The complete Debian *main* binary distribution is around 835 MB for Intel; a CD can hold 650 MB. Not including the install hierarchy, etc. So two discs are necessary, even for main. [These are slink figures; potato will doubtless be bigger.] Chris -- = |Chris Lawrence| The Linux/m68k FAQ | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.linux-m68k.org/faq/faq.html | | || |Amiga A4000 604e/233Mhz | Are you tired of politics as usual?| | with Linux/APUS 2.2.3| http://www.lp.org/ | =
Re: netscape crashes on potato
On Sun, 23 May 1999, Bob Nielsen wrote: On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:13:56PM -0400, Greg Stark wrote: So the people who don't see crashes, which version of Netscape are you using? Do you use java successfully in Netscape? Do you have plugger installed? Do you have any other plugins installed? Which versions of libc are you using? I haven't had any problem with navigator versions 4.07 and 4.6, as well as communicator 4.08. I did have a problem with 4.51 crashing, however. I have used java and plugger. I think I had libc6 (2.0.x) with 4.07 and have use both 2.0 and 2.1 with 4.08 and 4.6. I have been having the Netscape crashes with bus error when a window is closed problem for some time now. My system is up-to-date with potato. Last week, I decided to test this problem with every 'navigator-smotif-*' package. Every navigator-smotif-* package in slink and potato (that's versions 4.06, 4.07, 4.08, 4.5 and 4.6) was affected. BTW, this crash happens both when I hit the 'close window' button and when I hit the 'Close' option in the 'File' menu. But it doesn't happen every time I do this. My impression is that it even has begun to happen less often, recently. Remco -- rd1936: 12:20am up 15:49, 5 users, load average: 2.25, 2.30, 1.96
