Re: static user IDs

1999-09-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 10:15:10AM +0200, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
 Who will agree with me that
 qmail[dsrqlp] should be forbidden
 Their existance in /etc/passsd rape me thru my eyes
 6 statics for pacage is a bad idea but
 if this package isnt even free they should be
 thown out without mercy

I nominate this guy for Debian's Most Promising Newcomer Award.  :)

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Alternate versions of the same shared library?

1999-09-22 Thread Camm Maguire
Greetings!  Is there any way to maintain alternate versions of the
same shared library on a Debian system?  (i.e. same soname)  One can
have two packages which conflict with each other, but I was thinking
about some run-time switching functionality, like in the
'alternatives' system, so that one could choose between an
experimental but fast shared lib, and the trusted but slower one, at
runtime.  I've tried several things, but lintian disallows most of them.

Please reply directly to me via email as I don't regularly subscribe
to the main devel list.

Thanks!

Camm Maguire[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Metapackages (was Re: Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999)

1999-09-22 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 12:53:40PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
 Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:
   I also find apt 0.3.11's apt-cache search to be quite useful (and fast).
  
   I use:
  
  perl -n00e '/xml/i  print;' /var/state/apt/lists/*Packages | less
  
   (to search for XML related packaged e.g.)
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~apt-cache search xml
 libroxen-swarm - Swarning stars module for the Roxen Challenger web server
 cdindex-client - cdindex is intended to be the opensource replacement of

 When apt came I drop my super-clever perl scripts to report what were new
to download... It's happening again...  =)



vrweb, newbie maintainer/developer

1999-09-22 Thread Paul Harris
hi,

i have agreed to take VRweb off Fabien Ninoles' hands, and have been
successful in making it work under my Potato system! woo hoo!

however, i have no idea what the next steps are:

- What is the technique to rediff a package for the debian diff?
- Why is dpkg-source complaining about:
$ dpkg-source -x vrweb_1.5-2.dsc
dpkg-source: error: Expected ^@@ in line 679 of diff
  is this some sort of bug? seemed to work earlier... i just untared and
  patched it myself
- Where are the FMs on the debian/rules stuff? I'd just like to make sure
  it works after i get that diff thing going.
- How do I accept vrweb as mine? Do I need to get a sponser or something?
- How do I wack it on the debian mirror and all that?

also, on the other bugs mentioned in the buglist, i would like to see
something like freewrl working, as vrweb is just too big and clunky. it
may be helpful as a reference but i think a new program should be
developed that uses existing stuff like perl, gtk/qt and perl, but doesn't
have to be statically linked. (i haven't looked at freewrl yet).

consequently my aim for vrweb is to just get it to work, i am not aiming
to improve it (thats for upstream people). but would it be worthwhile to
look at fixing bug #29078: package vrweb depends on library libg++272. is
this really a bad thing? surely there are better vrml viewers out there?


Oh and on a more technical note, the vrweb that doesn't work is linked to:
$ ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/vrweb
libXmu.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x40018000)
libXext.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4002b000)
libX11.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x40037000)
*   libg++.so.2.7.2 = /usr/lib/libg++.so.2.7.2 (0x400d6000)
*   libstdc++.so.2.7.2 = /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.7.2 (0x4010e000)
libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0x4014b000)
*   libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40168000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
*   libXt.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x40244000)
*   libSM.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x4028c000)
*   libICE.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x40295000)

and mine (the working! one):
$ ldd vrweb-1.5/installed/harmony/bin/LINUX_ELF/vrweb-mesa
libXmu.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x40018000)
libXext.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4002b000)
libX11.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x40037000)
*   libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 = /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3
(0x400d6000)
libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0x4011b000)~
*   libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40138000)
*   libXt.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x40213000)
*   libSM.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x4025c000)
*   libICE.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x40265000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)

the *s indicate difference between the two. now, why doesn't the old one
work? the libraries they were compiled for may be different, but won't it
work with the old libc stuff installed? should i even bother thinking
about this since the new compile works? i only ask as other people seem to
have problems with their old libc5 stuff... maybe the same problem is
suffered here... would this help anyone to debug it?

anyway, i'm looking forward to sumbitting a working version of vrweb, so
let me know about the proper procedures soon please! thanks!

Paul Harris




Re: static user IDs

1999-09-22 Thread Philip Hands
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

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 On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 10:15:10AM +0200, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
  Who will agree with me that
  qmail[dsrqlp] should be forbidden
  Their existance in /etc/passsd rape me thru my eyes
  6 statics for pacage is a bad idea but
  if this package isnt even free they should be
  thown out without mercy
 
 I nominate this guy for Debian's Most Promising Newcomer Award.  :)

Seconded

ROFL



Invalid cross-device link

1999-09-22 Thread Edvard Majakari

Hmm, what should I do to this? Upgrading potato today resulted in the
following error:

Setting up procps (2.0.3-3) ...
Checking available versions of w, updating links in /etc/alternatives ...
(You may modify the symlinks there yourself if desired - see `man ln'.)
Renaming w.1.gz slave link from /usr/man/man1/w.1.gz to 
/usr/share/man/man1/w.1.gz.
update-alternatives: unable to rename /usr/man/man1/w.1.gz to 
/usr/share/man/man1/w.1.gz: Invalid cross-device link
dpkg: error processing procps (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
 procps


I do know the reason - /usr/share is an NFS-mounted directory from the
server. For several reasons I didn't want to mount the whole /usr
directory hierarchy, just /usr/share (isn't it why it's called
share?-). What can I do to fix this?

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Re: static user IDs

1999-09-22 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 09:40:03PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote:
  Who will agree with me that
  qmail[dsrqlp] should be forbidden
  Their existance in /etc/passsd rape me thru my eyes
  6 statics for pacage is a bad idea but
  if this package isnt even free they should be
  thown out without mercy
 
 I nominate this guy for Debian's Most Promising Newcomer Award.  :)

I'll second that too  =

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Re: vrweb, newbie maintainer/developer

1999-09-22 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 03:13:03PM +0800, Paul Harris wrote:
 i have agreed to take VRweb off Fabien Ninoles' hands, and have been
 successful in making it work under my Potato system! woo hoo!
 
 however, i have no idea what the next steps are:
 
 - What is the technique to rediff a package for the debian diff?

What do you mean?

 - Why is dpkg-source complaining about:
   $ dpkg-source -x vrweb_1.5-2.dsc
   dpkg-source: error: Expected ^@@ in line 679 of diff
   is this some sort of bug? seemed to work earlier... i just untared and
   patched it myself

How did you make the diff? You should have did this:

fakeroot debian/rules clean; cd .. ; dpkg-source -b vrweb-version/

 - Where are the FMs on the debian/rules stuff? I'd just like to make sure
   it works after i get that diff thing going.

The Packaging Manual. Basically, you need these rules: clean, binary,
binary-arch, binary-indep.

 - How do I accept vrweb as mine? Do I need to get a sponser or something?

Set the Maintainer: field in the control file. If you aren't a registered
developer, yes, you need a sponsor.

 - How do I wack it on the debian mirror and all that?

If you're developer, use dupload(1), if not, sponsor will do that for you.

 look at fixing bug #29078: package vrweb depends on library libg++272. is
 this really a bad thing?

Yes, that's an obsolete library.

 *   libg++.so.2.7.2 = /usr/lib/libg++.so.2.7.2 (0x400d6000)
 *   libstdc++.so.2.7.2 = /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.7.2 (0x4010e000)
 and mine (the working! one):
 *   libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 = /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 
 (0x400d6000)

Your one is okay. Or even better, libstdc++2.10.

 the *s indicate difference between the two. now, why doesn't the old one
 work? the libraries they were compiled for may be different, but won't it
 work with the old libc stuff installed? should i even bother thinking
 about this since the new compile works? i only ask as other people seem to
 have problems with their old libc5 stuff... maybe the same problem is
 suffered here... would this help anyone to debug it?

As long as it works with newest non-obsolete libraries, you shouldn't
care much :)

BTW, these questions ought to be asked on debian-mentors list, debian-devel
is inappropriate.

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Re: Alternate versions of the same shared library?

1999-09-22 Thread Drake Diedrich
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 12:36:17AM -0400, Camm Maguire wrote:
 Greetings!  Is there any way to maintain alternate versions of the
 same shared library on a Debian system?  (i.e. same soname)  One can
 have two packages which conflict with each other, but I was thinking
 about some run-time switching functionality, like in the
 'alternatives' system, so that one could choose between an
 experimental but fast shared lib, and the trusted but slower one, at
 runtime.  I've tried several things, but lintian disallows most of them.

   One way to do this is to include a wrapper script with your
alternate-library version and place the libs in a package-specific
directory.  I use the following script under Irix to replace the
GLX-dependent libraries with bare-X11 Mesa equivalents when running tools
to non-GLX platforms:

mesa

#!/bin/sh

export _RLD_LIST _RLD64_LIST _RLDN32_LIST
_RLD_LIST=/usr/lib/libm.so:/usr/local/Mesa/lib/libGL.so:DEFAULT
_RLD64_LIST=/usr/lib64/libm.so:/usr/local/Mesa/lib64/libGL.so:DEFAULT
_RLDN32_LIST=/usr/lib32/libm.so:/usr/local/Mesa/lib32/libGL.so:DEFAULT

exec $*


   From man ld.so the Linux equivalents would be LD_LIBRARY_PATH and
LD_AOUT_LIBRARY_PATH.  LD_PRELOAD could also be used to replace just a few
routines. 

   The /usr/lib/lib*.so.N could then be placed under alternatives control if
the maintainers all cooperated, with the alternatives available in the
wrapped environments.
   This is for libblas?



Re: Invalid cross-device link

1999-09-22 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 11:13:31 +0300, Edvard Majakari wrote:
 update-alternatives: unable to rename /usr/man/man1/w.1.gz to 
 /usr/share/man/man1/w.1.gz: Invalid cross-device link

This is a known bug in update-alternatives:
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/42/42559.html

 I do know the reason - /usr/share is an NFS-mounted directory from the
 server. For several reasons I didn't want to mount the whole /usr
 directory hierarchy, just /usr/share (isn't it why it's called share?-).
 What can I do to fix this?

A workaround is probably to remove the link first. A proper solution would
be to fix update-alternatives to handle this situation (if you write a
patch, please send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Ray
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Re: switching from PGP to GNUPG -- HOWTO?

1999-09-22 Thread Samuel Tardieu
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Joseph Unfortunately gpg-rsa is broken.  It installs a sh wrapper
Joseph (yes, sh) that breaks gpg entirely.

What do you mean a sh wrapper?

% dpkg -L gpg-rsa
/.
/usr
/usr/lib
/usr/lib/gnupg
/usr/lib/gnupg/rsa
/usr/doc
/usr/doc/gpg-rsa
/usr/doc/gpg-rsa/changelog.gz
/usr/doc/gpg-rsa/copyright
/usr/doc/gpg-rsa/examples
/usr/doc/gpg-rsa/examples/gpg
/usr/doc/gpg-rsa/examples/gpg-pgp
/usr/doc/gpg-rsa/examples/gpg-pgp.1
/usr/doc/gpg-rsa/README.Debian.gz

  Sam
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Re: switching from PGP to GNUPG -- HOWTO?

1999-09-22 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 11:44:08AM +0200, Samuel Tardieu wrote:
 Joseph Unfortunately gpg-rsa is broken.  It installs a sh wrapper
 Joseph (yes, sh) that breaks gpg entirely.
 
 What do you mean a sh wrapper?
[..]

There WAS one..  I'm glad to see that it appears to have been thankfully
destroyed and I don't have to injure someone.

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Re: Alternate versions of the same shared library?

1999-09-22 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 12:36:17AM -0400, Camm Maguire wrote:
 Greetings!  Is there any way to maintain alternate versions of the
 same shared library on a Debian system?  (i.e. same soname)  One can
 have two packages which conflict with each other, but I was thinking
 about some run-time switching functionality, like in the
 'alternatives' system, so that one could choose between an
 experimental but fast shared lib, and the trusted but slower one, at
 runtime.  I've tried several things, but lintian disallows most of them.

You can install the alternate lib (using the same name and soname) in
another directory, and have the loader find this only if you set the env
var LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the dir containing it.
Have a look at packages liblockdev*-dbg and/or libdb2*-dbg which
installs debugging shared libs in /usr/lib/debug.
In /usr/lib/debug/README.debug you find clear (I hope :) instructions
even on how to run gdb on setuid binaries.

fab
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Debian's involvement in another exhibition

1999-09-22 Thread Martin Schulze
Oldenburger LinuxTag - 16th October, Oldenburg, Germany

This is a general exhibition wrt. Linux in the metropolitan area
of Oldenburg.  Local companies will demonstrate their effort and
solutions wrt. Linux.  Talks and workshops organized by the local
LUG will give some details.

Debian will have a free booth, staffed with.. somebody

Contact: Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 German Events [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Involvement: Free booth, organized by Debian maintainer

Web: http://oldenburger.linuxtag.de/

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Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.



Add your location to the developer db so it can be added to the map

1999-09-22 Thread James A. Treacy
Check out the new map showing developer locations:
http://www.debian.org/devel/developers.map.jpg

The marker file used to generate this can also be viewed:
http://www.debian.org/devel/developers.coords

***
As was decided when discussing the developer database,
developer names are not shown.
***

If you would like your location to be shown on the map you
need to add your location to the developer database:
http://db.debian.org/

Note: the coords file and map are not updated automatically
yet so new entries may not appear at the next mirror update.
Links will be added from the Developers' Corner when
automatic updates are implemented.

Jay Treacy



Re: New QMail discussion list.

1999-09-22 Thread Clint Adams
 The primary MTA? does that mean that more than one MTA can be installed on
 Debian at once? I thought they all conflicted with each other.

They do, and that should change.



Readers Choice, Linux Journal

1999-09-22 Thread Carlie Fairchild

Debian has been nominated as a potential 1999 Linux Journal Readers'
Choice Award recipient. (Congratulations!) Voting has already begun and
will continue through October 15, 1999. Visit
http://www.linuxjournal.com/contest/readchoice.html

If you would like to involve your web visitors in the voting process, you may
add a link on your web site asking people to vote. I have included the
Readers' Choice icon for your use. 

Winners will be announced in the special January 2000 issue.

Thank you!
Carlie
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Re: Add your location to the developer db so it can be added to the map

1999-09-22 Thread Martin Bialasinski

* James == James A Treacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

James If you would like your location to be shown on the map you need
James to add your location to the developer database:
James http://db.debian.org/

I know someone once posted a Website with a global DB of
citiy-coord. entries. 

Has someone such a URL, so I can look up Cologne, Germany?

Ciao,
Martin



dist-upgrade and perl

1999-09-22 Thread Stephen R. Gore
I've finally succeeded in getting a working potato box by installing
slink base system (using cdrom), but it took 3 tries.  I've done this
before (the machine I'm using to write this was installed this way),
but never had this much trouble.

What I discovered was that changing sources.list to point to potato
and doing 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' does /not/ upgrade
perl from 5.004 to 5.005.  This causes several of the installation and
post-installation scripts to fail, the first being libncurses4.  (Later
failures /may/ have been due to libncurses4 not being configured.  I'm
not sure.)

My fix was to use dselect to select perl 5.005 for installation.  This
worked.

Has anyone had a similar experience?  Is this a bug?  If it is a bug,
against what?

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Re: dist-upgrade and perl

1999-09-22 Thread Peter S Galbraith

Now that you mention it, I did the same thing and got the same
result.  However, my upgrade worked.

apt-get dist-upgrade' does /not/ upgrade perl from 5.004 to 5.005
for the same reason it won't upgrade emacs19 to emacs20.  They
are different packages.  The package is perl-5.005_5.005.03 and
not perl_5.005.03, and so the package `name' is perl-5.005 and
not simply `perl'.

I don't know if it was supposed to replace perl-5.004
automatically. 

Peter

Stephen R. Gore wrote:

 I've finally succeeded in getting a working potato box by installing
 slink base system (using cdrom), but it took 3 tries.  I've done this
 before (the machine I'm using to write this was installed this way),
 but never had this much trouble.
 
 What I discovered was that changing sources.list to point to potato
 and doing 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' does /not/ upgrade
 perl from 5.004 to 5.005.  This causes several of the installation and
 post-installation scripts to fail, the first being libncurses4.  (Later
 failures /may/ have been due to libncurses4 not being configured.  I'm
 not sure.)
 
 My fix was to use dselect to select perl 5.005 for installation.  This
 worked.
 
 Has anyone had a similar experience?  Is this a bug?  If it is a bug,
 against what?
 
 -- 
 Regards,
 Steve
 
 Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely,
  useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
  Reboots are for kernel and hardware upgrades.



Re: Add your location to the developer db so it can be added to the map

1999-09-22 Thread Brian Servis
*- On 22 Sep, Martin Bialasinski wrote about Re: Add your location to the 
developer db so it can be added to the map
 
 * James == James A Treacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 James If you would like your location to be shown on the map you need
 James to add your location to the developer database:
 James http://db.debian.org/
 
 I know someone once posted a Website with a global DB of
 citiy-coord. entries. 
 
 Has someone such a URL, so I can look up Cologne, Germany?
 

I just found this place which is really quite cool,
http://www.astro.com/atlas/.  It gave the following,

Cologne, GER: 50n56, 6e59, Germany 

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Re: dist-upgrade and perl

1999-09-22 Thread Stephen R. Gore
Peter S Galbraith wrote:
 apt-get dist-upgrade' does /not/ upgrade perl from 5.004 to 5.005
 for the same reason it won't upgrade emacs19 to emacs20.  They
 are different packages.  The package is perl-5.005_5.005.03 and
 not perl_5.005.03, and so the package `name' is perl-5.005 and
 not simply `perl'.
 
 I don't know if it was supposed to replace perl-5.004
 automatically. 

---end quoted text---

Yes, I realize they are different packages.  But is it possible that
for a script to depend on perl-5.005 features?  I don't know perl well
at all, so I have no clue except for the behaviour I mentioned in my
previous post.

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 useful, technically accurate, and friendly.
 Reboots are for kernel and hardware upgrades.



Re: dist-upgrade and perl

1999-09-22 Thread Peter S Galbraith

Stephen R. Gore wrote:

 Peter S Galbraith wrote:
  apt-get dist-upgrade' does /not/ upgrade perl from 5.004 to 5.005
  for the same reason it won't upgrade emacs19 to emacs20.  They
  are different packages.  The package is perl-5.005_5.005.03 and
  not perl_5.005.03, and so the package `name' is perl-5.005 and
  not simply `perl'.
  
  I don't know if it was supposed to replace perl-5.004
  automatically. 
 
 ---end quoted text---
 
 Yes, I realize they are different packages.  But is it possible that
 for a script to depend on perl-5.005 features?  I don't know perl well
 at all, so I have no clue except for the behaviour I mentioned in my
 previous post.

Those that do should probably have a `versioned depends' on
perl-5.005.  But this topic is out of my experience so I'll shut
up now.

Peter



Re: dist-upgrade and perl

1999-09-22 Thread Petr Cech
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 03:13:51PM -0500 , Stephen R. Gore wrote:
 Peter S Galbraith wrote:
  apt-get dist-upgrade' does /not/ upgrade perl from 5.004 to 5.005
  for the same reason it won't upgrade emacs19 to emacs20.  They
  are different packages.  The package is perl-5.005_5.005.03 and
  not perl_5.005.03, and so the package `name' is perl-5.005 and
  not simply `perl'.
  
  I don't know if it was supposed to replace perl-5.004
  automatically. 

perl in slink is version 5.004. So replacing it with perl-5.004
is what i should do.

 Yes, I realize they are different packages.  But is it possible that
 for a script to depend on perl-5.005 features?  I don't know perl well

Yes it is. But that package must depend on perl-5.005 and not on 
perl5(virtual).

Petr Cech
--
Debian GNU/Linux maintainer - www.debian.{org,cz}
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]



i dont understand something or dpkg is simply buggy

1999-09-22 Thread Tomasz Wegrzanowski
econfigedit depends on libgtk-imlib-perl
libgnome-perl provides this lib and have the same version number
but dselect is trying to tell me that i must install original
libgtk-imlib-perl. And the real problem is that these lib conflicts
each other(one is subset of other so conflict is obvious)
so i cant use both econfigedit and libgnome-perl at once
althrought first really depends on second !



Re: Add your location to the developer db so it can be added to the map

1999-09-22 Thread Hugo Haas
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999, James A. Treacy wrote:
 If you would like your location to be shown on the map you
 need to add your location to the developer database:
 http://db.debian.org/

I have the feeling that I missed something, but anyway as I don't manage to
find it in the archive: how can we find out what our password is?

-- 
Hugo Haas (http://www.via.ecp.fr/~hugo/)
It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really
quite busy.



Re: Add your location to the developer db so it can be added to the map

1999-09-22 Thread Philip Hands
Hugo Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, Sep 22, 1999, James A. Treacy wrote:
  If you would like your location to be shown on the map you
  need to add your location to the developer database:
  http://db.debian.org/
 
 I have the feeling that I missed something, but anyway as I don't manage to
 find it in the archive: how can we find out what our password is?

It's the same as your login password on master.

Cheers, Phil.



Re: Add your location to the developer db so it can be added to the map

1999-09-22 Thread Raul D. Miller
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 11:05:18PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
 It's the same as your login password on master.

Some of us don't use a login password on master.

[Personally, I've not used mine for at least a year.]

--
Raul



Re: Add your location to the developer db so it can be added to the map

1999-09-22 Thread Hugo Haas
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999, Philip Hands wrote:
 Hugo Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I have the feeling that I missed something, but anyway as I don't manage to
  find it in the archive: how can we find out what our password is?
 
 It's the same as your login password on master.

I think that it is a *bad* idea.

It means that passwords will travel in clear on the network and that
security is compromised on master.

-- 
Hugo Haas (http://www.via.ecp.fr/~hugo/)
It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really
quite busy.



Re: Add your location to the developer db so it can be added to the map

1999-09-22 Thread Martin Bialasinski

* Hugo == Hugo Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hugo On Wed, Sep 22, 1999, James A. Treacy wrote:
 If you would like your location to be shown on the map you
 need to add your location to the developer database:
 http://db.debian.org/

Hugo I have the feeling that I missed something, but anyway as I
Hugo don't manage to find it in the archive: how can we find out what
Hugo our password is?

It is your login password on master you have to use.

BTW: connect to https://db.debian.org for an encrypted connection.

Ciao,
Martin



Re: Add your location to the developer db so it can be added to the map

1999-09-22 Thread James A. Treacy
On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 06:26:19PM -0400, Hugo Haas wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 22, 1999, Philip Hands wrote:
  Hugo Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   I have the feeling that I missed something, but anyway as I don't manage 
   to
   find it in the archive: how can we find out what our password is?
  
  It's the same as your login password on master.
 
 I think that it is a *bad* idea.
 
 It means that passwords will travel in clear on the network and that
 security is compromised on master.
 
Part of this confusion is my fault. I should have specified
https://db.debian.org/
^

Jay Treacy



Re: Add your location to the developer db so it can be added to the map

1999-09-22 Thread Raul D. Miller
Martin Bialasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It is your login password on master you have to use.

You don't have to use your login password on master.

-- 
Raul



Use https://db.debian.org/ [was Re: Add your location ...]

1999-09-22 Thread James A. Treacy
I should have used https://www.debian.org/ in the original mail.
Sorry. Everyone who can (legally) use ssl should use that URL.

Additionally, I have asked for a page to be linked from
db.debian.org to describe what those who have lost their
password should do.

Someone else will have to explain what to do in the case
where you have no account on master.

Jay Treacy